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How To Trade From 1 lot to 100 lots in a Month Using MMM

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Sim is good

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Unless you blow up on the launch pad.

Either way, still on the ground floor.

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The Compound Ratio


The point of my journal is to record my journey from a $10,000 account with $2,000 per lot to start until I gain sufficient profits to let some maths formulas calculate and compound the account. I call it Compound Ratio. (CR)

As soon as I achieve a certain profit the maths will take over. Generally this is 30-60 trades history.

Any good system will do. I could take Perry's system and build a method from that in a short time and then let the Compound Ratio tell me how many lots to trade.

My belief is most traders (myself included) waste too much time tweaking wiggly lines when the road to making real money is in developing a compounding strategy.

I am hoping some traders and programmers will see this and we can get some ideas flowing.

At present I am trading just the one $10,000 account in the ES. I am looking at also trading Gold and Silver and Crude oil, each with $10,000.

I will post some interesting charts as this moves on. For now I am trading to the point where the CR takes over. That is when it gets interesting.

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The point of my journal is to record my journey from a $10,000 account with $2,000 per lot to start until I gain sufficient profits to let some maths formulas calculate and compound the account. I call it Compound Ratio. (CR)

As soon as I achieve a certain profit the maths will take over. Generally this is 30-60 trades history.

Any good system will do. I could take Perry's system and build a method from that in a short time and then let the Compound Ratio tell me how many lots to trade.

My belief is most traders (myself included) waste too much time tweaking wiggly lines when the road to making real money is in developing a compounding strategy.

I am hoping some traders and programmers will see this and we can get some ideas flowing.

At present I am trading just the one $10,000 account in the ES. I am looking at also trading Gold and Silver and Crude oil, each with $10,000.

I will post some interesting charts as this moves on. For now I am trading to the point where the CR takes over. That is when it gets interesting.

I make 90% of my profit on compounding. It is a major key to trading in my opinion. But one thing to keep in mind is a very aggressive delta for contract increase while can be managed safely has a hidden danger. That danger is having to little in your account to cover margin in a black swan or stop jump type event. You may can manage margins fine with an aggressive delta in day to day trading but must consider the above. Stops can be jumped and markets can go down yet underlying still trades while you are locked out of exiting could be pure devastation. I was reminded when that happened on NYMEX a few weeks ago. I had no trades on but there were many here who did and could not exit for an hour on CL.

Lets say every using $500 delta on fixed ratio (increase to 2 contracts $500 profit, 3 contracts after $1000, increase to 4 contracts after $1500 etc. etc..) once get into higher contracts becomes very dangerous. If your stops were jumped beyond 50 ticks on something equivalent to CL could easily wipe an account out in 1 trade or you could even owe your broker staggering sum.

Have fun with your experiment will be entertaining to watch but in real terms even if could get from 1 to 100 contracts in a month would take an extreme delta that would be a ticking time bomb in real world trading.

Not attacking your experiment just thinking out loud. Good reminder for me because I tend to be more aggressive than I should with my deltas at times.

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I'm intrigued with you idea, I'm also a programmer. It's also a subject that I've been dealing with. So lets see if we can help each other out. If you could send me a math that you use for contract addition that would be one less step for me to do.
Good Luck, and May the Trend be with you

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Great Info!


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I make 90% of my profit on compounding.

It is a major key to trading in my opinion. The danger is having too little in your account to cover margin in a black swan or stop jump type event. Stops can be jumped and markets can go down yet underlying still trades while you are locked out of exiting could be pure devastation. I was reminded when that happened on NYMEX a few weeks ago. I had no trades on but there were many here who did and could not exit for an hour on CL.

Most valuable info, thank you bro. I have had to trade thin markets in Asia most of my trading career, and this was the very reason NOT to compound them. My focus on the ES is for the compounding liquidity. I have met online some big ES volume traders and tried to determine the hidden dangers within that market.

I am taking a small percent of trading funds and compounding with that using a well tested stop and reverse system. I can see that CL is a good market to trade but your info tells me be wary of compounding it!

Thanks again. Exactly what I hoped this journal would bring to the community.

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Most valuable info, thank you bro. I have had to trade thin markets in Asia most of my trading career, and this was the very reason NOT to compound them. My focus on the ES is for the compounding liquidity. I have met online some big ES volume traders and tried to determine the hidden dangers within that market.

I am taking a small percent of trading funds and compounding with that using a well tested stop and reverse system. I can see that CL is a good market to trade but your info tells me be wary of compounding it!

Thanks again. Exactly what I hoped this journal would bring to the community.


You can compound CL and I do as it has liquidity but not like the ES. I don't think would be a good idea to try 100 contracts on CL intraday.

Problem I find with ES is it has very little range intraday. So you have to use strategies that don't need much range.

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Sim101 Trades ONLY.

I can only show Sim101 figures as my real account does not have reporting as good as Ninja.

I only use Ninja for sim and charts.

I always trade big size in Ninja Sim101 having already made the virtual profits to compound with.

I post Sim anyway, as it may be of some interest.

Still trading manually and the Compound Ratio yet to take over.

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I'm intrigued with you idea, I'm also a programmer. It's also a subject that I've been dealing with. So lets see if we can help each other out. If you could send me a math that you use for contract addition that would be one less step for me to do.
Good Luck, and May the Trend be with you

Thanks You. I'll gather some info later, bit complex. Let's see how the month goes. My original work was done many years ago in Visual Basic.

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