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Hello,

My name is Brian ... and I am pretty new to futures.io (formerly BMT). hoping that this is in the right place.

A recent challenge by a fellow trader went something like this:

"If you can go 21 days of green or profitable trades in a row, you should be pretty sure that any bad habits have been broken and you are on your way to being a great trader."

So here we are .... BC's 21 Day Green Trades Challenge. This is basically a journal for me to see if I can do this challenge and become a better trader. Along the way I will be dropping little nuggets about how I got into trading and what I have been doing successfully and not so successfully, as well as bits and pieces about me. Hopefully will not be too boring for ya'll

The rules ... as I was told .. are as follows:

You can trade as much or as little as you want ( Zero trade days do not count as either red or green tho) and then tally up your PnL at the end of each trading day. If you are in the Red .. Start over .. if you are green ..... check another day off as you are one day closer to 21 Green Days.

For me my clock or day will start at 5 PM PST or basically when markets open back up for trading. I will be trading the TF, ES, YM, NQ, and 6E.

If this interests you .... by all means join me in this challenge. Feel free to post your trades or charts and any ideas and please, if you have any suggestions or comments ..... I would love to hear them.

I will start today 11-21-11 and start posting trades and pics each day along with my progress.

Brian
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So today i get to start fresh .. and I do mean fresh ... as I was down $ 41.80 for the day. I made a total of 7 trades, all on the YM, scattered throughout the day. I was trading mainly off of a 4 range chart looking for shooting Stars and Hammers that formed in either Support or Resistance areas .. or Supply and Demand zones, whatever you want to call them. I would also take them if up against a MA where prior support or resistance was.

I was kind of uncertain as to "when" price might turn as it seems a bit oversold for most of the morning so kept a tight stop on these trades. As price went in my favor I would move stop to b/e +1 or 2 depending on strength of move away from entry area. As it turned out . I got stopped by a tick quite a few times .. only to see price go where I thought it was going all along. Sooo .. I tried not moving stop a few times ... in an attempt to stay in the trade .... and yep ... price ended up taking me out on those too.

I made a Jing video of all the trades (after the fact) . but it has been finalizing now for about 30 mins .... not sure if that is normal .. so I might just edit and post that vid tomorrow.

Thanks for taking the time to read my journal

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Soo ... Day 1 gets to repeat itself.

Today I had 2 trades. First trade was a big ol loser .. 2nd trade i got stopped at b/e after moving stop to b/e +1.

I have been trading a strategy where I will take the Globex Hi/Lo and usually get to lock in a few points. Today .... apparently falls into that % of times it does not work. I normally trade 2 contracts with this .. but this week I had decided to only do 1. I usually will go into this trade with a 1.5 stop or a total Risk of $300.

(once I get 5 posts down I will be able to post pics of these trades)

Once I got into this trade, it wasn't too long before the heat started getting uncomfortable ... and upon further analysis, i noticed the .D Floor Trader Pivots were just a tad lower than my 1.5 stop. Typically it seems that price will split the difference between GH/GL and a FTP when they are within a point or two. So when entering, I thought I would be okay with the 1.5 stop. Well, I sorta broke one of my rules and moved stop to a few ticks below the FTP S1 line. Thinking, "still within my normal Risk tolerance amount and could keep me in this trade. (Yesterday, got stopped to the tick too many times only to see price run where thinking it would). So .. that is what I did .. ended up getting stopped out with a -19 ticks. Ouch. By the way .. my target would have been over 40 ticks .. so a 2:1 Ratio woks for me, would rather see 3 or 4 or 5:1 .. but hey .. I will take what I can get. Today .. I was the one getting taken

The 2nd trade ... was later in the day .... I got stopped out at b/e .... and that turned out to be a good thing. Won't bore you with the details.

Thanks for checking in, if you have any comments . please do so.

BC

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Good luck with the 21 day challenge! I will try and join you next week (on paper anyways).

Good stuff with the journal, the only question I have so far is how do you determine when you want to exit a position? I read you have a 2:1 risk:reward ratio but I also read two trades where you were adjusting the stops @ breakeven as well?

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Hey Bermudan,

Thanks for thinking about joining me in this .. I figure the worst thing that can happen is that we become better traders

To answer your question regarding stops or when do I exit, this is what is in my "plan." Of course I am still trying to get a grip on emotions and really .. I mean really sticking to my plan. Much easier said than done .. especially when Live for me. I just hate giving up those ticks. All those hard years of working hard and fighting for every penny has apparently helped me keep a tight grip on money. So, I am working on that and embracing the costs of doing business and "trying" to not move stops before my plan says I can.

Okay, so depending on which market .... I will usually allow myself to move stop to b/e +1 when price has gone in my favor at least 8 ticks. (8 for the ES, 6E and 10 for TF, NQ and YM). I will then trail stop price with a technical stop where I look at candle shapes/patterns along with Moving Averages and Support and Resistance areas.

I am trying to keep my targets open and use the stops to be proven wrong and let the runners run. I am still figuring this out as right now it sure seems like I leave more on the table than I would like to. But then .. I have also seen the times where I exit and take profit only to see price really really run. If I could just master this aspect ... I will be one happy camper.

I wil go into a trade if the Risk to Reward is minimum 2:1, and really look for bigger moves. I try to grab the extremes which usualy allows those better ratios. Since I am all about preserving my capital, I will move stops to protect it once price has gone in my favor. That is where you are seeing my adjust the stops to b/e+1. For me so far I see about 50/50% on getting taken out and it being a good thing vs ... being taken out and then missing the run in original direction. I try to determine if it is a retest of area where I entered vs is it the actual turning point Will also be trying to keep an eye on any sort of divergence that might help me see "if" the retest is going to be stronger or weaker. If there even is a retest. Again, still trying to figure this all out so if you have any comments or suggestions please let me know.

That is the basic strategy on my stops. Might go more into detail in a future post.

Have a great Thanksgiving!

BC

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So today was a green day for me not by much, but hey I will take it.

I did 3 trades today, 2 in the TF and 1 on the ES and ended up with $110.

First trade on TF, I made a total rookie mistake and screwed up on the Matrix and was lucky or unlucky to get out with +1 tick. I had gone in with 2 contracts and once filled . I went to split the targets up so that I could scale T1 out fairly quickly and cover the Risk I had on this one. When I went to split it ... price was into me for like 3 or 4 ticks of heat (had a 1 point stop) and apparently when I clicked on the split the targets up .. I hit the wrong price and it put the target just about where price was at that time .... about -1 tick so was negative $10 right off the bat ..... I was like WTH? and kinda freaked out .... and ended up forgetting the bigger picture of where I thought price was going to and just moved my stop up into +2 as soon as price was in my favor by like 5 ticks v(thinking to make up and cover the screw up - stoooopid move n my part) and of course, I got stopped out at +2 (thank goodness no slippage today) and then got to watch price go in direction I thought it would. It would not have hit my T2 .. but with Tech Trailing Stop .. I would have done much better than the +1 tick overall profit. "Oh well ... forget about it .. next trade .. focus and double check what you are doing" were the voices I was hearing in my head. ;-)

2nd Trade was in the ES with 1 contract, where I got stopped out with +1 tick after price moved in my favor like 4 ticks. I got nervous on this one and moved stop as all of a sudden the picture I was seeing with candle patterns was changing rapidly. I really did not like that trade about 1 minute into it and looking back I never should have gotten in it. (Emotions of wanting to trade so badly .... like that mosquito bite .. you just want to keep scratching it ughh) It turns out that was a good call to move to +1 as price did go against me and would have taken me out at original stop.

Third Trade was in the TF. I went short with 1 contract as price formed a shooting star off of a 6 Range chart penetrating a Moving Average and a resistance Zone. I ended up getting stopped out with +10 ticks on this one. Had a couple of chances to bank $170 .... but I was really wanting to let this one little contract run. It didn't. That is where trading multiple contracts seems to be soo helpful, being able to scale out .. bank some profits and still let it run. (I have more thoughts on this . and will post those thoughts in a future post).

So there we are for today .... gonna stop early and not give any back, especially as it is a Wednesday before Thanksgiving .... volume should really drop off as we are now into the East Coast lunch hour ... peeps should be bailing out for the Holiday as well, me included :-)

I should be able to start posting pics after this post according to the futures.io (formerly BMT) rules of having to have minimum 5 posts before posting any pics. Yay!

I will most likely not trade on Friday, will wait tile Monday for Day TWO .. woo hoo!

Thanks for reading ..... Have a Happy Thanksgiving weekend!

BC

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Please help me understand your 21 day challenge?

1. If you can be green every day for 21 days you go live?

OR

2. If you are green after 21 days than you go live?

Sorry, and just wanting some elaboration on your goals.

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Hello Bluemele,

The challenge was to see if I could go 21 "Green" days of trading. I am doing this with a "Live" account.

The theory or concept behind it was that if I could go 21 days in a row of being profitable, I should have or will have broken any bad habits that might be keeping me from doing that now. Technical Analysis or Emotional/Psychological stuff .... either way, after 21 days in a row .. should be good or better than when started..

If anything ... by recording and keeping a journal such as this ... will definitely help me become more aware of my trades .. how I enter, how I exit, and how my head is affecting my decision process. worst case scenario .... "when" I hit 21 days in a row ... I should be a better trader than I am or was when I started this.

Hope that answers your question. :-)

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Hello Bluemele,

The challenge was to see if I could go 21 "Green" days of trading. I am doing this with a "Live" account.

The theory or concept behind it was that if I could go 21 days in a row of being profitable, I should have or will have broken any bad habits that might be keeping me from doing that now. Technical Analysis or Emotional/Psychological stuff .... either way, after 21 days in a row .. should be good or better than when started..

If anything ... by recording and keeping a journal such as this ... will definitely help me become more aware of my trades .. how I enter, how I exit, and how my head is affecting my decision process. worst case scenario .... "when" I hit 21 days in a row ... I should be a better trader than I am or was when I started this.

Hope that answers your question. :-)

BC

Ok, so you don't have 21 days in a row starting with the journal. I thought it meant that the first 21 days needed to be profitable. Interesting.

Thanks.

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I think you should do videos everyday. A journal is good, yet what I have found really helped me was making videos of all my trades and/or video of you going over all your trades.

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Thanks dtman .... I plan on doing some videos .... just still trying to figure that all out. Videoing (sp? is that even a word ) doing video and trading at the same time is something I will need to practice a few times.

In the meantime, I will post some screen shots of charts along with my thought process and what got me into each trade. You should see that beginning today as I can now post pics yay!

Thanks for the input, and will take you up on it, soon.

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Hello,

Hope your Thanksgiving weekend was a fun filled one. Mine sure was, lotsa turkey and of course a lot of things to be Thankful for.

I made a great trade on Friday where I grabbed 6.8 points off the TF, bu it was in SIM, so that will not count in this 21 day challenge, as I am doing it in LIVE.

So today, Monday the 28th, I had 2 trades, both in the TF and another Green Day ... heh, not by much, $15 with comm/fees added in, but green none the less. I ended up getting myself stopped out in positive territory on both trades and missed out on at least 4 points if not 5+. I have posted 2 pics here describing my entry and how I got stopped out along with my thoughts.

As usual, if you have any thoughts, comments or suggestions, please do so.

see you tomorrow,

bc

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So today was a bit better than yesterday. I was 4/4. One trade on the TF for $320 and 3 on the YM for $180 totaling $500 for the day. 2 of the trades on the YM were lil sketchy and i was taking a stab at a potential run up that never happened and got out with a tick or two.

I am trying to figure out the best way to record these trades either by video or by screenshots. Still trying to figure out how to video and trade at the same time. I was able to take some screenshots during the trades today, so we can see what was happening when I entered and exited. I will post a few pics below .. and will try to do a video montage of the pics with a walk thru of the trades as well. That may or may not happen tonight as we have some house guests coming over for dinner soon .. might be a late night :-)

If you have any questions and or comments or input ... I would love to hear it .. thanks.

BC

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I had another green day today. Not a big day, but green. I had 3 trades 2 on the YM and 1 on the TF.

It was a hard day this morning for me to see anything that I wanted to trade in all the chop. So I waited until things finally started moving towards the last hour or so of the day.

I took 2 small losers on the YM. 1st trade was 1 car and got stopped out at a -7 ticks. 2nd trade was also 1 car and got stopped on that for -11 ticks. For some reason I thought price was going to drop or at least not continue up as I had a few areas of confluence and resistance right above where I saw a shooting star candle form. not a good idea to jump in front of a train that was leaving the station

TF trade was better. I entered in with 2 cars on a retest of a support area and did not take any heat at all .. sure do love those trades ..... T1 hit pretty fast @ +16 ticks .... which got me into the green for the day. Started trailing stop and ended up getting stopped on that last car with a +9 ticks. Looking back on it, I should have been keen to jumping back in as it was pretty clear that we were in a strong trending move to the upside. ahh, hindsight, gotta love it. See pics for visuals.

So I ended the day with a +$150 and change after comm/fees.

Looking forward to seeing how tomorrow pans out, especially being the 1st of the month. Usually a pretty big day statistically, so I hear??

So for me and the month of November: +$967 (54 trades = 30 wins/24losers or 55.5%). Not enough to live on yet, but getting closer :-)

See ya next month

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Congrats. Any month in the green is a great thing. Sounds like you are well on your way to sustaining a lifestyle via trading

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Thanks Bermudan,

Yes .. I sure hope so.

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Sorry I am posting late .... .been swamped with work stuff.

Thursday was green day #5 for me. i was 3/3 all in the TF. I was able to grab a total of 31 ticks between the 3 trades. Was able to hit my T1 twice (10 ticks) and the rest were stopped out in positive territory.

No pictures for this day right now .. will try to post some over the weekend.

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I snapped my 5 day green streak today as I went 0/2 in the TF. Today was a hard day for me to figure out .. seemed like I was on the wrong side the entire day. I took both trades around the 8 pst hour and got stopped out on both. Had 2 cars going for each trade, and was stopped for 12 ticks on the 1st trade (got in a bit late and kept stop below some support - so I thought) and the 2nd trade also had 2 cars which got stopped out @ 9 ticks. Actually had stop at 5 ticks on this one ..... was able to experience 4 ticks of slippage as price fell hard thru my stop.

No pictures today .. I had a chart all marked up and ready to post but somehow as I went to insert a final arrow on it, the whole thing got deleted somehow. Grrrrrrr. Oh well .. too wiped out and eyes are ready to pop, so might try to post some pics of the last 2 days over the weekend.

Thanks for checking in, have a great weekend!

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I confess to not actively following your thread but it seems like you are doing ok. Even though you had a bad day you kept your loses to a minimum which is very good. From what I've seen you have a bright future ahead of you.

That being said, do you factor in that days like today (NFP) are goofy generally and in some cases should not be traded or at least some extra measure of caution should be used. I'm not saying your not being careful but the fact remains that NFP if nothing else can definitely skew your results.

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Hey kbit,

I didn't really think too much about the NFP really. I mean I knew it is a big news event and that it can tweak the market. That beibng said .. I kinda figured, maybe more like was kinda hoping that by the time I had jumped into my trades today, that the market had chewed up and spit out enough people, and that it was ready to be a little more predictable ..... (Wrongos )

I thought I saw two good signals that follow a pattern I have been watching/noticing with Price Action. Perhaps you have a great point about the NFP days as a whole?? Maybe that is why it did not work out today? I will definitely take your suggestion and add that to the list of things in my pocket, especially on the next NFP day.

Anyways, thanks for checking in hope to see you in here again and look forward to any future comments you might have.

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I didn't really think too much about the NFP really. I mean I knew it is a big news event and that it can tweak the market. That beibng said .. I kinda figured, maybe more like was kinda hoping that by the time I had jumped into my trades today, that the market had chewed up and spit out enough people, and that it was ready to be a little more predictable ..... (Wrongos )

I thought I saw two good signals that follow a pattern I have been watching/noticing with Price Action. Perhaps you have a great point about the NFP days as a whole?? Maybe that is why it did not work out today? I will definitely take your suggestion and add that to the list of things in my pocket, especially on the next NFP day.

Anyways, thanks for checking in hope to see you in here again and look forward to any future comments you might have.

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I was just thinking that I never hear mentioned that with the exception of NFP a lot of the big headline days are not mentioned in terms of how goofy they can be. Days like retail sales, CPI, and trade balance are the others along with ADP days which the past couple of years has tended to be goofy. Sometimes it makes no difference but historically these days can throughout the day be goofy. What that really means is for example more volatility ,spikes, goofy swings, etc....You will notice your trades may work but require larger stops and so forth.
Like you say...just something to keep in mind.

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I was only able to get off one trade today in the YM, as I had a bit of work to take care of that pulled me away from the charts off and on for most of the day.

The first couple of hours today were sooo choppy. Once price finally started moving, I thought I had identified a decent support level where price might turn, or at least provide a pullback that I could get something out of and then get back into the downtrend if possible. Price ended up hitting a 32wma on my chart and formed a semi shooting star/upside down hammer, and I quickly moved my stop to grab as much profit as possible as it was becoming clear that we were not done going down. I am thinking that I need to start learning how to best hit the "reverse" button as that would have been a good call today.

Being that I was not too confident of any of the morning set ups, I only entered with 1 contract, and quickly moved stop to b/e+1 once price was in my favor by 10 ticks. Once I saw the upside down hammer, I moved stop to just below where price was to capture the profits and not give any back . arrrrgh matey! Turned out it was the right call..... today.

Sooo, Day #1 I end up green by $32 after comm/fees. woo hoo! Hopefully tomorrow we will get back to a little more movement than the last few days have provided.

Thanks for stopping by, hope you had a green day too

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Hello,

My name is Brian ... and I am pretty new to futures.io (formerly BMT). hoping that this is in the right place.

A recent challenge by a fellow trader went something like this:

"If you can go 21 days of green or profitable trades in a row, you should be pretty sure that any bad habits have been broken and you are on your way to being a great trader."

So here we are .... BC's 21 Day Green Trades Challenge. This is basically a journal for me to see if I can do this challenge and become a better trader. Along the way I will be dropping little nuggets about how I got into trading and what I have been doing successfully and not so successfully, as well as bits and pieces about me. Hopefully will not be too boring for ya'll

The rules ... as I was told .. are as follows:

You can trade as much or as little as you want ( Zero trade days do not count as either red or green tho) and then tally up your PnL at the end of each trading day. If you are in the Red .. Start over .. if you are green ..... check another day off as you are one day closer to 21 Green Days.

For me my clock or day will start at 5 PM PST or basically when markets open back up for trading. I will be trading the TF, ES, YM, NQ, and 6E.

If this interests you .... by all means join me in this challenge. Feel free to post your trades or charts and any ideas and please, if you have any suggestions or comments ..... I would love to hear them.

I will start today 11-21-11 and start posting trades and pics each day along with my progress.

Brian
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Hi Brian,

I hope you don't mind, but I thought I'd provide you with a little different perspective because I think you received some bad advice.

First, 21 days is really nothing in terms of the time and practice required to develop the patience/discipline that's needed. Second, W/L percentage and P&L are two of the more meaningless measures you can use to gauge your progress.

Instead your focus should be on execution which would include the following:
  • trades taken that were part of the plan
  • trades taken that were not part of the plan
  • trades not taken that should have been
  • how you managed the trades taken
  • the results if you managed every trade taken according to plan
  • the results of trades not taken if managed according to plan

If you track the above information you can construct some good ratios that will tell you exactly where you're at and where you need to improve. You'll also find out if the methods you're using are sound, flawed, or if you lack the experience/understanding to implement them properly.

I could add more but this is a great place to start and will keep your focus on what drives the results (trading well) instead of the rewards.

Just my 2 cents, spend it however you like.

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Hello gibbs,

Thanks for the comments! Some great suggestions you have laid out there, which I will implement into my journal here as best I can. Might take a few days to figure out how best to convey my thoughts and intents before, during and exiting a trade. Lots to chew on for sure .... luckily for me . it tastes pretty good

Thanks again for the input .. I really really appreciate it!

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Hello, so back to day #1 for me today. I really just could not get a grip on things today for some reason. Lots of distractions and some emotions helped me slide backwards a little bit. I have posted a few pics of today's trades (a few missed opportunities, and 6 trades on the YM) and tried to explain what, why, where and how I got into them. (Thanks gibbs for the advice yesterday ... )

So overall today 6 trades in the YM for a -$106 for the day. Could have been much much worse, could have been much much better to. However, no time for the coulda woulda shoulda game .... just study it and learn from it and move on .. and git ready for tomorrow.

If you have any questions or comments, please let me know. Thanks!

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Hello gibbs,

Thanks for the comments! Some great suggestions you have laid out there, which I will implement into my journal here as best I can. Might take a few days to figure out how best to convey my thoughts and intents before, during and exiting a trade. Lots to chew on for sure .... luckily for me . it tastes pretty good

Thanks again for the input .. I really really appreciate it!

bc


You're very welcome.

For me a "trade = context + setup" where the setup is meaningless without the proper context. When you're evaluating your progress we have a similar equation - "performance = context + results" - where results are meaningless without the proper context. Let me give a couple of examples using a 2-lot on TF.

Day One - you go 4 for 5 and net $480. Looks good right? But what if the "context" was the following:

Trade 1 - good setup, good entry but it was the first trade of the day so you short armed it because you wanted to start off with a winner. The trade won 2.2 pts. per contract but if managed properly would have gained 4.8 pts. per contract.

Then, as often happens, you go into "conservation" mode because you're afraid to give back those gains. For most what usually happens is they don't trade again that day, but to your credit to continue to look for trades albeit with the wrong mindset which leads to other problems.

Trade 2 was a good setup, good entry but you really short armed this one and gained only 6 ticks per contract when it would have yielded 2.0.

Trade 3 was not a good trade and got what it deserved losing 1 pt. per contract.

Trade 4 was not a good trade either but ended up just a scratch.

Trade 5 was a good setup, good entry but once again you short armed it, got a lousy fill and made only 5 ticks when it would have yielded 2.3 if you followed your rules.

There were also 3 trades you were supposed to take but didn't (2 wins, 1 loss), and if properly managed would have yielded an additional 2.6 pts per contract.

Overall day one was a great day for trading but you took 2 trades you weren't supposed to, passed on 3 you were supposed to take, mismanaged every trade you took, and left about 8 pts. per contract on the table.....to use a poker analogy, you got your money in bad and sucked out.


Day Two - you go 2-4 and lose $80. Each trade was a good trade managed well, and there was only one marginal trade that you probably should have taken but understandably didn't. Overall day two was one of those miserable small range days with choppy price action that just doesn't offer much.....the kind of day you see a lot when VIX is in the low-mid teens, and the kind of day that destroys a lot of accounts.


If you just track W/L and P&L it looks like you traded well on Day One but poorly on Day Two when the opposite was actually true. In fact if you continue to trade the way you did on Day One you won't be around long, but if you continue to trade like you did on Day Two your future is bright.

This has gotten a bit long so I'll wrap things up with one final thought - try and remember that the goal is proficiency, not perfection, so when evaluating how you managed trades keep it simple and focus on your decision making at the time - NOT on what the market did after you exited because that's not relevant.

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Hello gibbs,

Again .. great input and info! Thanks so much. Makes soo much sense. I am really liking this way of thinking and looking at each trade and the who, what, why, whens and where's of putting it into context. I will be trying to log this info on my charts as the days move along so that I can have an ongoing chart journal which I will be able to post as well as use for documentation and total self insight and transparency of the things that are happening in my head before, during and after each trade ... oh and the ones I miss too.

Thanks again for taking the time to pump good info into my trading career, very very cool of you to do so.

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So today was a bad day of trading for me. Seemed to be on the wrong side or too early and then had the deer in the headlights freeze up when the good set ups came around. Poor executions and fear were a horrible combo that netted me a nice 2/4 and -$564 in the hole for the day. Ouch!!

I tried to take notes on my charts throughout the day to log my emotions and what I was thinking before, during and after each trade or missed trade. (thanks again gibbs ). hopefully I will learn from my mistakes and successes and that you might be able to do the same.

If you have any questions or comments, please let me know.

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So today was a bad day of trading for me. Seemed to be on the wrong side or too early and then had the deer in the headlights freeze up when the good set ups came around. Poor executions and fear were a horrible combo that netted me a nice 2/4 and -$564 in the hole for the day. Ouch!!

I tried to take notes on my charts throughout the day to log my emotions and what I was thinking before, during and after each trade or missed trade. (thanks again gibbs ). hopefully I will learn from my mistakes and successes and that you might be able to do the same.

If you have any questions or comments, please let me know.

bc

Sorry to hear you had a bad day....I guess your learning to just wait for the best setups.
You might also consider scraping those small tick charts and move up to something like a 1597 or 2000 tick, they will weed out a lot of garbage and in general are more reliable.

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Hello, kbit,

Yes, learning to wait for the correct set ups for sure

I do look at bigger time frames and am looking for areas of confluence and am trying to drill down to the smaller times frames for a lower risk entry. I will take a look at the time frames you have suggested and see how they feel. Currently, I start with a Daily, and then go to 240 min, 60 min, 15 min, 5 min, 377 tick, and a few range charts depending on the instrument. I also have a tick chart that has a zig zag indie on it to help identify patterns a little easier, which I will also draw out fibs on. i have a workspace for each instrument. I will post a pic of a workspace that shows what is on one of three monitors.

Thanks again for taking some time to give me some suggestions and things to chew on. I really appreciate it.

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Hello, kbit,

Yes, learning to wait for the correct set ups for sure

I do look at bigger time frames and am looking for areas of confluence and am trying to drill down to the smaller times frames for a lower risk entry. I will take a look at the time frames you have suggested and see how they feel. Currently, I start with a Daily, and then go to 240 min, 60 min, 15 min, 5 min, 377 tick, and a few range charts depending on the instrument. I also have a tick chart that has a zig zag indie on it to help identify patterns a little easier, which I will also draw out fibs on. i have a workspace for each instrument. I will post a pic of a workspace that shows what is on one of three monitors.

Thanks again for taking some time to give me some suggestions and things to chew on. I really appreciate it.

bc

I understand, and what your doing sounds good but, at the same time sounds like its to much to look at...confusing.
I also look at a daily and 4hr on the 6E for example and then go directly to a tick chart. I skip the 1hr and 15m...what I'm saying is just identify the significant areas on a daily ahead of time and then just stick to your tick for day trading....keep it simple, if you go back and forth with all those charts your head will spin and your more likely to get into crap trades or get shaken out of good ones.

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After a rough start this morning I was able to pull out a green day - whew!

I had 4 trades total, the first 2 in the TF were losers, the next 2 in the YM were winners. Well a least one was a true winner, my 3rd trade of the day I blew it again by moving stop too early and got stopped basically to the tick only to see it run on that big bounce before the last big drop. I missed out on at least 35 points by getting stopped out like that.

The TF had me in the hole for $250 .... really happy that I was able to make that up and then some.

I had a few more chances that I just didn't feel like taking the risk and giving back the little green that I was able to get back.

I put some notes in the chart pics if you care to check them out.

Thanks for stopping by and checking in

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So today I woke up to a computer that decide to restart or update or something in the middle of the night. By the time I had everything loaded back up and running .. it took awhile ..... I was just not feeling it today. I decided not to trade anything live as i was frazzled by the pc issues and knowing that being in the middle of rollover ... that might not be a good combo for me.

I probably had one of my worst weeks to date. Broke alot of rules and left soo much on the table.
Between the TF and YM I had 16 Trades. 7 Wins, 7 Losses and 2 B/E which netted me a Red - $ 567.00.

See pic below for detailed Weekly Performance Summary, and Equity curve line. Guess it could have been worse .. much much worse. On the bright side .. I did learn alot this week ... hopefully stuff I can carry into next week .. and also stuff I do not carry into next week. . The battle will continue!


I will be shaking the dust off my shoes and looking forward to next week.

Hope you all have a great weekend!

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I understand, and what your doing sounds good but, at the same time sounds like its to much to look at...confusing.
I also look at a daily and 4hr on the 6E for example and then go directly to a tick chart. I skip the 1hr and 15m...what I'm saying is just identify the significant areas on a daily ahead of time and then just stick to your tick for day trading....keep it simple, if you go back and forth with all those charts your head will spin and your more likely to get into crap trades or get shaken out of good ones.


Hi Brian,

IMO kbit is giving you some great advice.

My biggest hurdles were not taking all the trades, mismanaging winners (understatement) and trying to look at too much "stuff". The first two take some work but the last one is a simple fix, and now I use only Price and a couple of different timeframes for the markets I daytrade - 120-min so I can see structure & what lies ahead in both directions, a 5-min to execute from, and occasionally a shorter frame to fine tune an exit.

The actual timeframes you choose are not important as they really just impact frequency of trades, but the shorter you go the harder this game becomes and the more work YOU have to do versus letting the market do the work. Plus when all is said and done, trading is really about self-discovery so it really helps to strip away all the noise so you can be as honest as possible with the reflection in the mirror.

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