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ES completed an equilibrium however missing 2 ticks
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ES completed an equilibrium however missing 2 ticks
follow up: ES cave has been filled as expected
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when it happens usually market moves dramatically
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when it happens 2396 the market should move dramatically downward
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it is rare resonance effect happen twice today and the second time market moved even faster downard
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People have been asked me why during last year I made fun of myself to post in mike's trading forum? For fortune or for fame? neither of them.
I hope below can provide the answer
It is very difficult for the average person to accept new thing which has not previously been seen or something is beyond his imagination;that is why if someone says; " there is now a method which can predict the market future price ", the vast majority of people will think the guy is talking nonsense, if he is not an idiot, then he must be a software salesman.
Since the market trading became daily economic activities, being able to forecast future price is always in human’s dream, but it has never come true, and as the result, people will assume and strongly believe if someone really has such a capability, he should have become billionaires and would keep it locked up as top secret, why make it public?
The answer is so obvious, if we believe
"Dreams make mankind great"
" The biggest fortune in one’s life is having a chance to pursuit and realize of his dream"
Five hundred BC ago, Pythagorean advocated “earth is a sphere” had broaden human's vision and Einstein's relativity theory in last century has brought about today's atomic technology.
Like Beyonce - I Was Here lyrics, these great men's footprints left on the sands of time, they let everyone know they were here before.
May be one day in the future, with the recognition of J-Chart’s new price logic and models, I hope I can say the same.
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People have been asked me why during last year I made fun of myself to post in mike's trading forum? For fortune or for fame? neither of them.
I hope below can provide the answer......
Seems like a great method. But where can people get the software and test it out?
With best regards.
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Seems like a great method. But where can people get the software and test it out?
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Hi Walker
j-chart is real nothing but a new concept in price activity through the application of chaos theory.
In short, it is just a process to find the equilibrium through restruction of time frame continuously.
At present we use it internally to trade mainly in Chinese index futures, sometimes in ES and EUR
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Our server structure and internet bandwidth are not capable for commerical useage; however you can modify MP
software or even write your own tick excel display program to achieve same purpose once you understand the basic logic.
By the way, I have completed a manscript to introduce j-chart concept in English and try to publish it through Harriman, but unfortunately they could consider the book for publication only if it is professional edited. in other word my english is not good enough to convert the concept to the public.
Rgds
John
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Seems like a great method. But where can people get the software and test it out?
With best regards.
@walker ,
certain data providers offer a free trial.
good luck
|| J-Chart™ || Charting Markets into the Future. Index Futures, Forex, Stocks, Bonds
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1) Yesterday after close, we noticed a equilibrium 2403--2383--2363 was not completed and 2383 was its balance point
if market open lower the and two ends of EQ hold then lower part of EQ shall be filled first
2) market open at 2375, it is good trade to sell the market near the BP with stop buy order above it and expect the low end of EQ will be achieved.
3) market did zigzag between 2383 and 2363 untill afternoon
4) price surged through 2383, stop buy order executed, not for long new BP 2390 seen and target estimated was 2417
5) out market before 2417
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I am helping traders to learn how to day trading Chinese index futures currently from 8:45AM--3:00PM Taiwan time
if anyone is interested please download the teamviewer 8 and contact me through skype ID J-Chart
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it reached boundary of equilibrium
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it reached boundary of equilibrium
the equilibrium will be most likely the range for the holiday
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Although it is the X'mas the chinese index futures made a nice run
buyers get very fruitful gift for holiday
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There is day trade oppertunity since we knew bounded range
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You are a true Legend.
Your call was amazing and I took short entry at 1.3236 and 1.3235 for 2 contracts and had my target set at 1.3206 and it go hit.
What a night and thank you for your support and guidance
You are simply the best when it comes to forecasting.
Really appreciate your support and guidance.
Sharmas
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A friend of mine who is a mathematicians at least I think he is, likes to tell me if a trader always day trade the trader will lose his pants eventually, all his money will go to exchanges just like what is happening in the casino. however he forget to mention there are card counters who are prohibited to enter the casino
people who find his way to foresee the shorterm target during daily session is the card counter and fortunately he wouldn't be banned by exchanges
charts shown is how chinese index futures target was predicted during today's seesion
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Came across this journal while trying to understand Volume Profile using tradestation.
Hi John Chen this seems to be a very novel way of looking at PA. Great Journal. Also thnx to ecmf & Simba and other contributors. As usual thanks to Big Mike w/o him we would never get insights into sharing of idea's.
One thing I also do believe in some of the concept of Time & agree before the BB. I am always open to any idea which will give me an edge. I will always be a student of the markets....coz it can humble me anytime...so will always be a beginner. I also believe with any new concept the early adopters will always have an edge....if the strategy is sound & risk mgt in place.
John...what i understand from the thread...an english version of J-Charts is yet to be published. Is there a way to educate us more on the concepts since the the book seems to be a lil aways. How does one integrate the concepts if one wants to know more and integrate in their trades. Also curious how Simba is integrating in trading.
John...is this only good for intra-day or swings "50-75pts" and more?.... I do trade ES "Emini S&P". Would the theory be able to predict price....getting into the last day of the year...or the end of Jan '13.? if so any forecasts ?
Anyways thanks for sharing & Good Luck !!
thnx
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Came across this journal while trying to understand
Volume Profile using tradestation.
Hi John Chen this seems to be a very novel way of looking at PA. Great Journal. Also thnx to ecmf & Simba and other contributors. As usual thanks to Big Mike w/o him we would never get insights into sharing of idea's.
One thing I also do believe in some of the concept of Time & agree before the BB. I am always open to any idea which will give me an edge. I will always be a student of the markets....coz it can humble me anytime...so will always be a beginner. I also believe with any new concept the early adopters will always have an edge....if the strategy is sound & risk mgt in place.
John...what i understand from the thread...an english version of J-Charts is yet to be published. Is there a way to educate us more on the concepts since the the book seems to be a lil aways. How does one integrate the concepts if one wants to know more and integrate in their trades. Also curious how Simba is integrating in trading.
John...is this only good for intra-day or swings "50-75pts" and more?.... I do trade ES "Emini S&P". Would the theory be able to predict price....getting into the last day of the year...or the end of Jan '13.? if so any forecasts
?
Anyways thanks for sharing & Good Luck !!
thnx
J-Chart is only using price counts to plot a chart on nonfixed time frame and to find the fractal based on chaos theory which is totally nonlinar, another word no volume of trade are used therefore it is different from Volume Profile.
I have published two books in Chinese for China and Taiwan, if you are interested you can find them through publisher
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you can do swing trade with J if you have patience to wait for it may take days to get what you want, however after 35 years trading carrer I don't have patience to engage in trades longer than a day, have you ever see card counter stay over night play black jack in casino
I always compensate that with bigger volume to get what I want
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Nice ...but will wait for your book in english have quite a few other projects in hand so not in any hurry.
thnx & good luck !!
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people who find his way to foresee the shorterm target during daily session is the card counter and fortunately he wouldn't be banned by exchanges
charts shown is rebar metal which has the largest volume over 2.4m contracts /per day
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it reached boundary of equilibrium
after holiday eur is paving the cave as expected
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after holiday eur is paving the cave as expected
eur most likely will zigzag in the cave for few days
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Many people argue historical record or backtesting method is the best way to check out a trading system.
Well, in my opinion it is a terrible misperception. the crystal shoe of Cinderella doesn't guarantee us to find another Cinderella.
keep in mind! price activity is chaotic nature, the perfect trading module you found through backtesting must be tailor made, use them to find a beauty, you might end up with an ugly one.
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people who can foresee the shorterm target during daily session has a relaxing way to trade
charts shown is chinese index futures, its contract size is the 4 time ES and its daily volume currently about 1/2million contracts
we anticipate within few years it will be futures with largest trading volume
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TX contract finish an equilibrium 7799--7756--7713 today if it broke tomorrow another EQ can be expected as shown
any price activity will subject to chaos theory as long as trades done is in a free market
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Yesterday mentioned "TX contract finish an equilibrium 7799--7756--7713 today if it broke tomorrow another EQ can be expected as shown"
Today market traded as expected. price through so called chaotic process to achieve a new equilibrium
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EUR market is undergoing the same chaotic process in order to achieve equilibrium
trade can be place in between BP as shown
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chart shows London gold wait for right moment and/or excause to jump
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It is an exciting day to be able to locate the entry, exit and also reverse
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USDJPY is the hot topic now
let's see what is going to happen
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Restruction of Spot gold Chart (150 days )
BP and end of equilibrium can be useful as support or resistance
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A perfect EQ is constructing
let's see what is going to happen
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perfect EQ is broken
9180 TARGET is on the horizon
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John Chen;297086]perfect EQ is broken
9180 TARGET is on the horizon
Target 9180 reached as expected
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A big EQ from 8/23 was broken it implies higher target is reasonable
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[ATTACH]Attachment 101548 [/ATTACH]]A big EQ from 8/23 was broken it implies higher target is reasonable
Big equilibrium are consisted of small equilibriums
Short term sell can be fruitful in an up trend
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It paused after achieving the equilibrium
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A cave like the Black hole it offers an strong suction once market broke the OPENNING EQ plus the EQ from previous day
Profit is almost guaranteed
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Hi Mr. Chen,
Do you mean the yellow dotted box?
What is Jchart suggesting market will be heading?
I am still trying to understand more.
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The first sell was initated when 2785--81--2777 (openning EQ)and 2776 low of PREVIOUS EQ broken
for future market activity It will be trapped in the cave first, however if the other EQ in yellow dotted penetrated it will be sucked to the lower hole
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for future market activity It will be trapped in the cave first, however if the other EQ in yellow dotted penetrated it will be sucked to the lower hole
As expected market trapped and bounded by two EQ yellow and green
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Hi Mr. Chen
Which EQ are you referring to that if it breaks it will get sucked lower?
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Unlike conventional indicators, equilibrium is good way to use as support or resistance
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It paused after achieving the equilibrium
USDJPY did retreat and tried to pave the cave,
It is the necessary process before resume its upward move
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Gold couldn't break1696.5, consolidating within an equilibrium
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Gold couldn't break1696.5, consolidating within an equilibrium
after reconstruction gold it is very interesting to see how fractal works
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shown in above chart EQ 1696.5--1661.5-- 1625.6 and 1796--1711--1626 penetrated therefore market plunged
However 1796--1696.5---1597 holds so far
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Exchange in fact is a casino operated by government
trader being able to foresee imminent future price is the "card counter"
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Exchange in fact is a casino operated by government
trader being able to foresee imminent future price is the "card counter"
Well said!
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gold should sell when EQ 1796--1696.5---1597 broke
it drops like a rock
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gold should sell when EQ 1796--1696.5---1597 broke
it drops like a rock
John,
新年快乐! Our family lived in Taipei and Kaohsiung for 17 years. We left Taiwan in 2008 and returned to the U.S. I worked for Studio Classroom for 9 of those years.
What district do you live in?
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Index futures retreated and two EQ with same image point met the requirement of resonance
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新年快乐! Our family lived in Taipei and Kaohsiung for 17 years. We left Taiwan in 2008 and returned to the U.S. I worked for Studio Classroom for 9 of those years.
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HI
I am living in Taipei
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compare these three charts up to now 1603 holds
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Previous chart shown if 1603 broke the second target would be around 1594
It did
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1603 brcame day trade resistance and target surface as expected
patience is the virtue which most guys lack of including myself
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Attached is Chinese index futures morning trade
1) Bought above BP 2675 after open out before 2683 the tip of EQ
2) Sold when 2671 taken out , stop buy was above 2670
3) Bought back at 2657 low as 2656.8
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once EQ 2647--2636--2625 crack
sell opportunity surface
a huge downward move is rewarding
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EUR has to hold the bottom of EQ in order to move up
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EUR has to hold the bottom of EQ in order to move up
EUR moved to 13074 near the predicted target 13076
and continue its EQ saturation attempt
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Student always ask how to find equilibrium in a chaotic market attached two charts shows how
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The EQ was broken it implies gate is opened for more downward move
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During cave paving the lower BP appeared
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After 2 days paving the cave of equilibrium EUR is almost ready to make the move
second chart is the follow up on day trade
13133--13028--12923
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EUR gap down and zigzaging in dotted area
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On 3/8 EUR broke the EQ 13160--13062--12964
We were given a signal that price would go lower because a lower BP 13000 formed and the 12840 should be the target
After couple days cave paving process price finally reaches 12843 low today so far
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SINCE EQ 13160--13000--12840 held and there are cave to be paved
sold 6E 12971 and 12977 out by 12950 revese BUY out by 12975
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When Resonance happens market trend usually reverses its direction
Attached is a good example of Taiwan index futures
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EUR complete the 13160--13000--12940EQ also left an area between 12948 and 13056 unfilled
A external Cyprus news help trigger the upward paving movement
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It is a typical example of BUY THE RUMOR , SELL THE FACT
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When price breaks EQ and significant high and/or BP it is a good and for sure winning trade
USDJPY was consolidating below 9444 once it breaks, buying is a nice option
The profit target can also be predicted as EQ 9352---9418---9484
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Don't you use fib.?
Here some fib line. all set before hit.
https://www.tradingview.com/x/MVIaglzf/
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jta3;315166 Don't you use fib.?
Yes I use it for day trade target comfirmation only, as chart show there is Fib no. on lower right corner
In 1980th I did use fib's extention to predict target but it wasn't good enough in day trade
In day trade I like to look for the possible target in next 15-45 minutes
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EUR has formed the boundary of A EQ
13064--12898--12750,
12753--12798--12843 Rebound EQ offer day trade selling oppertunity
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Since 3/26 EUR has been traded in lower part of EQ 13046--12898--12750,
In upcoming week, the breach of 12750 could lead EUR to test previous low of last NOV
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Since 3/26 EUR has been traded in lower part of EQ 13046--12898--12750,
In upcoming week, the breach of 12750 could lead EUR to test previous low of last NOV
And if 12620 falls through there are caves need to be filled in a longer term
Attached is the J-Chart of EUR for 500 days and is considered only usueful for fund long term trading
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EUR 12749 so far held rebound expected also EQ is formed
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EUR 12749 so far held rebound expected also EQ is formed
For day trade sold 12864 can get out at BP 12812 or move trailing stop
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It was a clear winning trade
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Glod has hit the bottom of EQ
Cave paving is expected unless bottom of EQ fall through
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Glod has hit the bottom of EQ
Cave paving is expected unless bottom of EQ fall through
It has been a reasonable and good profitable trade to be buyer and EQ target 1573.5 has been reached
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A perfect EQ can guarantee profit
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A perfect EQ can guarantee profit
When the bottom of EQ shown on 4/5 fall 1432 looks like will be the target
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When the bottom of EQ shown on 4/5 fall 1432 looks like will be the target
Gold only took less than a day to reach the target
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When the bottom of EQ shown on 4/5 fall 1432 looks like will be the target
rebound can't go over EQ boundary it is a profitable quick sell
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Instead the MA the boundary of EQ always acts better and efficent as the support or resistance
as we can see the above cash gold example
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Gold plunged to its target low of the day
A nice $30 rebound after reached target bottom of the EQ
It's in God hand!
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Anyone who is interested in how the invisible hand of market works can borrow the book from amazon.com for free
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Gold completed its EQ 1495.5---1408----1320.5
a consolidation is expected
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Gold Rebound and hit the wall of EQ's boundary
1321.5---1363---1404.5
1348-----1376---1404
possible resonance
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1321.5---1363---1404.5
1348-----1376---1404
Resonance works well
means it is good sell around the top area of EQ
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1321.5---1363---1404.5
1348-----1376---1404
once the PREVIOUS EQ breached, Gold moved up and achieved another EQ
In fact it hits resistance since both two EQ point to same boundary, seller has upper hand
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After the EQ breached, Gold moved up and achieved another EQ
It is a very strong resistance and not easy to get through
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AS quoted on 4/26 :It is a very strong resistance and not easy to get through
after struggle for 5 days
It deopped almost 40 dollars
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Gold reach EQ boundary then reverse break down side EQ
It is a good day trade sell
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Gold reach EQ boundary then reverse break down side EQ
It is a good day trade sell
REASONABLE EXIT
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Interesting spectacle using the isosceles triangle ...
Although different from J-Charts, it does show interesting confluence and it is a 240 min TIME CHART
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Interesting spectacle using the isosceles triangle ...
Although different from J-Charts, it does show interesting confluence and it is a 240 min TIME CHART
Ken COTtrader
Well done! This shows you are a advance trader for sure
However during last 30 years trading carrer I have seen a lot of big firms went backrupt over night, therefore I only prefer day trading which allows me sleeping peacefully at night
long term analysis is a frame wok for day trade reference only
Also attached chart is a example of the application of FIB in J-Chart
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