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Had a trade first thing that was sucessfull. Held it for over an hour, so i took some screen shots.

Held into the news, got taken out there as I had tightened my stop.

After I was out of the market till after 11.

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Had a trade first thing that was sucessfull. Held it for over an hour, so i took some screen shots.

Held into the news, got taken out there as I had tightened my stop.

After I was out of the market till after 11.

Damn...very nicely done.

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I dont trade the market. I trade my view of the market.

And how does one deal with news? A couple of weeks back, I was in a trade when the DOE report came out. made a pile of ticks. But in hindsight, it really could have killed me. So now, I am staying away from the report. Many better traders than me gave me that advise, so, who am I to argue?

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Revision.

I held through the DOE report today only because I had a trade working that was way ahead of my entry and provided little risk in my opinion.

if it was tight to my entry, I would have exited before the report.

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just reread all my postings, right from last September 15, 2011.

It is remarkable how much more I know now then i did when i first started this journal some 9 months ago. I

Some of the things i wrote back last year are not embarrassing, exactly, but I sure have a different outlook on what was important then and what is important now. I always knew, but really not to the degree i now beleive.

It hasnt been very long, but it feels like I have come a very long way in a relatively short time.

And i have a long way to go. But i am looking forward to the challenge.

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Hi VinceVirgil,

I just wanted to say congratulations. I really enjoy your contributions. I find it both amazing and inspiring that you've been able to improve so quickly.

Keep up the good work.

Cheers,

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Hi VinceVirgil,

I just wanted to say congratulations. I really enjoy your contributions. I find it both amazing and inspiring that you've been able to improve so quickly.

Keep up the good work.

Cheers,

FF

G'Day Mate,

Its encouraging personally when someone takes the time to reply or comment because of the effort involved. Like getting a thank you card in the mail.

Thanks very much.

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I have decided to make a few changes to my futures.io (formerly BMT), journal.

This week I have started to trade another account, and I am finding that coordinating and taking screenshots is too distracting, so I wont be doing that any more.

I am also looking at trading another instrument besides Crude. The ESmini. I have trasded it before, but now i think I have a better approach than I did almost a year ago.

In addition, it takes about an hour to mark up and retrieve the information, and i already record in a hardcopy journal, so I am effectively doubling my workload. If i do this on another account...well you get the picture.

I also am preparing a Introductory Course on Investment Trading, which I will be teaching at a local community college. I may be relatively new trading futures, but, its introductory. I think it will be a worthwhile experience. I like to teach others. I find it helps me to clarify my own objectives, and teaching opens me up to new and different possibilities. And, i get a chance to meet people who have an interest in investments. They wouldnt be there otherwise.

Went long this morning pre market and held through the open and was able to book some ticks before the market turned.

Since then, I have been short.

But...looking for a swing to the upside . I like 7865 to go long.

We shall see...

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well, that long at 7865 didnt go so well. Got out BE.

Still liking the swing tho...waiting for the right moment

Really a spike and channel trading range on the 5 minute.

Why I like this area to enter long? Its close to the lows of the week. 7800 has really been solid support all week. Top of the channe/trading range will allow me to scale out.


Why I am cautious...because of the strong selloff today. Might blow right past the weekly lows. So far, it looks like 7800 is holding. Buyers and sellers are duking it out...come on buyers!

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Oh Yeah...forgot about the HFT...which looked like it has flushed right past 7800.

More waiting now.

Brooks says 80% of all breakouts fail.

Suri, countertrend trades are a no no for him. Trade with the trend.

What would you do here? I like the swing. I expect the breakout thru the lows to fail. But I have to be very convinced before I risk my capital here.


Here is a snap shot of my long and my entry. I know, i said i wouldnt be doing it, but this trade turned out well, and seeing as i was talking about it, i should follow through with the result.

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What can I say...today was realy good if you had a short bias. I mean really good.

After looking at the 60 minute ands the TPO of the last few days, my plan was of 2 minds.

1. Price will break out to the upside.
2. it isnt.

Went long with muy first trade this morning. I was able to get 30 ticks, but that was it.

Then it was down down down. I was a little surpized by the strength, but it brought to mind an old investment ism. Prices go down twice as fast as they go up.

So I was looking for short entries, and got a couple of nice ones. when we got to the lower part of the range, I was very observant to where the buyers may step in, if they were going to.

My first number was 7800. Stalled a but around 7831, but then the bears took control again around 7875.

I went long near the close

That about it.

A pretty nice day.

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Promoted myself today.

A fellow futures.io (formerly BMT)er was slagging begginers and the advise they offerred, even though they were begginners. Begginners have so much to say, and they dont say anything...Blah, blah. I wanted to insure he didnt mean me, so i changed my experience to intermediate from begginner.

Which I think is appropriate. I am no begginner in futures. In stocks, bonds, real estate, small bsuineess, restricted stock, Partenerships, pension plans and various other investment accounts, I am a master. Its my career, so i thnk that qualifies me as a master in that area. I make my living off of investing other peoples money. Or shoulkld I say, i sell them strucutred products mostly, and i take a commission.

it isnt discretionary trading commodities. in that area, i am an intermediate.

I move myself up to advanced when I set up my Hedge Fund.

I am going to start small...maybe a few hundred thousand, to see if I can do from a logistical standpoint. Have to iron out the legalities of the whole thing first. Likely just my family and a couple of close friends.

I have to declare my intentions to the investment firm i work for, because this is considered an OBA. Outside Business Activity, so, i have a little tippy toeing to do around the security regulations, to make sure I am on side. Cant spend all the money I will be making from behind bars.

Anyway, talked to my lawyer about it already. Setting up a LLC for trading. Going to come up with a name. Something cool. Animal name maybe. Osprey Investment Group. Tiger Trading LLC( oh yeah, taken)

If I have a company that I can run my trading through, I can pay my wife and daughter and and they can use their personal exemptions. And have the LLC buy all my stuff. Like lease a car...tax deductable, pay for my gasoline and maintanance...all my stuff. RV, Cottage, Maybe buy a plane... Wow, life is grand!

All this just because I changed my experience from beginner to intermediate. The fellow futures.io (formerly BMT)er did me a big favour.

Maybe I'll give him a ride in my plane.

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Anyway, talked to my lawyer about it already. Setting up a LLC for trading.

Lots of great info here not just on taxes, but on LLC and trading as a business, btw:

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Lots of great info here not just on taxes, but on LLC and trading as a business, btw:

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Mike

yes thanks. I saw the last part of that webinar, and I have been meaning to review it again.

The information was great from the last part I saw. Much of it is applicable to Canadian law, as both American and Canadian law is based on the British Legal system way back in the day. Lots of similarities, but i am aware of the differences.

It was very good webinar.

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What is one tendency of the CL? It is an instrument that respects levels.

Given this simple 60 minute, what is the likley tendency of the CL today?

It looks like it should be faded at the extreme of this upper balance area.

This is just a single chart remember.

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OK so it wasnt a fade...

Now its my break time. I like to pause near lunch to review the morning. Kinda like beaking the seesion into sections so that I can take a look at the afternoon with new eyes. Get away from the monitors fort afew minutes. go for a walk around the block. Whatever. Just nothing trading related.

So here is the 60 minute fromtnhis morning.

I doid short, but I quickly reversed my position when volume came in like gangbusters.

So i was net ahead on that trade.

But its Friday, and is the move from yesterdays close going to lead to the rest of the afternoon in the doldrums?

Stay tuned.

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OK...back from my walk. Nice day hear, a little windy. Picked up a few blown around garbagwe cans for people.

Walked my dog. Hes a Bull Terrier...getting a little old. 14 years old, which is old for a bully.

Longer 60 minute from last couple of weeks. NOw past perforemance is no indication for future gain, however, because CL is a very liquid instument, and contract deliveries are short, it responds quickly to sentiment and repects support and resitance levels pretty well.

So why the breakout of the last few sessions thins morning?

Price unwound too far?...over sold and buyers feel it is a bargan? Yesterdays selloff was way overcooked, and now the momentum crried it back to these levels?

I dont know. Trading is trully about probabilities and statistics. News has an effect. But price has no memory. People do. So we are trading against people. Even algos are programmed by people.

Price can do 1 of 3 things from here. Go up, Go down, or stay the same.

Now, once i get some idea about that, its how far, and how fast.

Where does the market want to go, and how good of a job is it doing getting there.

I am still undecided at the moment. Waiting to see...I have lots of time.

I love trading. Its not about the money. Its about doing it well. The sense of satisfaction when a trade idea works, not once, but over and over again. Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while.

Its about consistency over the long term...weekly, monthly, annually.

Its about maintaining balance, in trading, in pursuits...raising a family, having a hobby, a fulfilling spiritual life.

Each endeavour deserves your full attention, otherwise, what would be the point? You dont owe it to yourself, that is selfishness. You owe it to everyone that helped and supported you in your pursuit, and you should feel obligated to put forth your best effort for their sake, because they put forth the effort in time and expense to help you.

There is an emotional cost for everything we do? Ask a person a question, and they answer you, sincerely, and you find value in that answer, well, there is an agreement between the 2 of you.

I expect thats the reason Big Mike "pet peeve" is leaving thanks when you read a journal entry, even if you dont totally agree with what is written. It is an acknowledgement of that individuals effort for writing it, and thanks is your acknowledgement of the effort. An acknowledgment of the emotional cost that the writer paid.

Oh, af of thias writring, I decided to go long at 8231. Looking for 8300.

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Well, who knew?

Today was the day of my best trade...ever. The day after I became an intermediate trader.

I should walk the dog more often.

Long at 8231.

Homework this morning suggested we might get price turning down, like it has for the last 5 days, at the open. Gap fill back to yeasterdays VWAP. But we had a strong move overnight to get us near yesterdays high. Still its a short bias.

The other day I was talking to Panda Warrior about adding to a postion. And I was a talking to another trader about levels and the DVAL, and where to place stops in order to get the most out oof a move on the CL. In addition, he often has blogged about adding 2/3 of a psotion at key entry points, particularily during an energetic move.

Why does this make sense?

Allow me to explain.

I enter with 3 lots. First targets are hit, trail to BE. Now price continues to climb.

OK now I am 40 ticks to the good on my runner. Everything looks great, buyers still seem to have interst, still lots of room to fill previous resistance levels...etc.

So if I put on another 2 lots, with a 20 tick SL, move my runner to the same SL level as the additonal 2 lots. Now if my stop gets hit, on the 3 lots, I only have 20 ticks in the trade, but if price continues on, now i have 3 lots working. If it only goes an additional 20 ticks past my entry, thats 1:3 risk reward. And if it goes 40 ticks, past my 2 lot entry, its 1:6.

The difficulty. calculating that on the fly, in your head, while the trade is on. Some times you dont have much time. Split second.

I did that this afternoon. Worked out better than great.

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Today was the day of my best trade...ever.



Congrats man!

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After the ON and at these level, I am looking long this miorning on the CL.

I have been thiknking about the current price of oil, and the demand that virtually every major forcaster predic ts, and I think the commodity ios a bargain at these levels..

I think we could pause around 90.00, but thats a long way from here.

Anyway...I just think the sellofff over the last 8 weeks to these levels is way over done.

I am looking a long entry this morning around the open.

See if it plays out.

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I should add that 8400 appears to be resistance.

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I started with a long bias this morning.

Went long at 9:45, and took a full stop near 9:55.

Massive spike at 10:05, as I was thinking that maybe the market is short after all.

After the big move up on Friday, and the lack of support for higher prices except for the big spike at 10:05 (147 ticks, give or taker a tick), it now looked more like a selloff to a previous support level particilarily since price was drifting lower, except for the Iranian news which was beleived to have cause the spike.

Support formed the 8210 level, and the move up brought us near to the RTH open.

We could be in for good day tommorrow. ( meaning a significant more higher...)

The only thing that could muddy up the water is slow low volume prior to the Wednesday 4th, which may seem more like a Friday then a Wednesday.


Profit Factor 4.90
Cumulative Profit 0.63%
Max. Drawdown -0.25%

Start Date 7/2/2012
End Date 7/2/2012

Total # of Trades 8
Percent Profitable 87.50%
# of Winning Trades 7
# of Losing Trades 1

Average Trade 0.10%
Average Winning Trade 0.14%
Average Losing Trade -0.25%
Ratio avg. Win / avg. Loss 0.55

Max. conseq. Winners 5
Max. conseq. Losers 1
Largest Winning Trade 0.18%
Largest Losing Trade -0.25%



I took off early, went to a friends trailer on a piece of property he owns on Lake Superior, the largest fresh water lake in the world, and caught a nice lake trout. We cooked it up and ate it as soon as we got back to shore. Didnt even think of taking a picture. Nice 3 pounder. BBQed a couple of steaks, and we had a little surf and turf action.

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I'm wondering where are you entries, are they all on 60 minute candles? I dont see entries anywhere on your 60 minute chart. Or do you guys just say where you entered and not show any charts? Thanks

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I'm wondering where are you entries, are they all on 60 minute candles? I dont see entries anywhere on your 60 minute chart. Or do you guys just say where you entered and not show any charts? Thanks

I enter on a 5 minute chart on the CL.

I use the 5 minute because I believe I can fine tune the entries and manage the exit .on this time frame, based on the stops I beleive are appropriate.

Trading for me is trying not to loose. The more experience I gain, the more I am convinced that this is the only way that trading from me makes sense. So, on the 5 minute, I find the movement is enough to identify direction without excessive noise. And if the trade is not working out the way I have anticipated, I can close it out quickly.

I have decided against the listing specific entries and exits because of the time it took to mark up a chart on Ninja, save it, post it.

So, i am more selective on that. I will post some trades, but not like before.

Less thean 15 minutes to the Open Outcry.

ON the 5 minut, I see 2 legs down to support at around 8575.

Some traders dont post any trades because they dont want to undully influence any newer traders. I am begginning to see the wisdom in that. If you try to trade like I trade, the chances of success will be slim.

In addition, one cant trade anothers system. You have to make it your own, through personal testing and research. And once completed, it is very personal. ( Well, its never truly complete. Trading evolves over time and with more experience gained. I am a much better trader today than a few months ago, but I have put in a tremendous amount of time into this.)

I use Market and Volume Profile to see over all market context. There is a significant amount of information available free on the internet on the subject.

Markets in Profile by Dalton is a book i reccomend. Its pretty complicated, but I has helped me to understand the market as an auction, and it is a concept that I am comfortable.

As well as Al Brooks, Price Action Bar By Bar. Another tough read, but I refer back to it often. Chapter 1, chapter 15 and the outline of terms is what I started with. Those got me started.

Right now, I am leaning toward a bullish opening, bercause of the overnight move.

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Now that I have a couple of positive trades, I am going to push my trades long till the market tells me to quit.

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I am finished for the day.

I was in the local book store the other day, getting a new journal, and I read a couple of pages from a book on Canadina investing.

China surpassed the US as the largest market for the sale of automobiles in 2011. It was enevitable thought it would 2018-2020.

I wonder how much effect that will have on the price of oil? Now, the one thng that China dosnt have is the roads for all those cars. And how much they drive those cars will have a direct effect on how much oil they neeed for their cars. But thats still a lot of cars.

Now, if the demand for oil is increasing, as it appears to be, and the oil companies are looking for oil in deep water is priced at 73 to 78 dollars a barrel for production cost, is oil at 84 dollars a bargain? How about 90? How about 100?

And how long will it take to get there?

My strategy is to look for the best opportunities on the long side, while at the same time, protecting my capital and limiting my downside risk.

But I think oil is cheap right now.

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No short trades today.

First trade was positive, so I pushed long into the noon. No short trades.

I was finished after the last trade.

I had 1 losing trade...-20 ticks off the 2 leg pullback to the trend line on my 5 minute. around 10:20 I went long off the first leg, and got taken out for -20 ticks.

5 trades, 4 winners, 1 loser, which I dont have a picture of. Cant do the loosing trades, they happen too fast and who want sto see a looser anyway?

I mentioned I would take shots of my trades anymore, but, these were easy to do, and it shows where my entries were.

I really havent changed my strategy for almost a year. I have modified a lot of stuff, but all the changes are evolutionary, not revolutionary.

I tried the scalping for about a month. Couldn't do it with consistency. My mind was flying all over the place. Long, then short, then long. Too much anxiety.

I use 5 minute, price action, but Market Proile is a recent addition, but it is for context only, not for enreies and exits strictly. I look for areas that make sense to do business, but ultimately price action determines my exact entries.

Credit FT71 for his webinars. I am also a client of VanKar trading, and FT71 conducts a live chat for brokerage clients on the ES. You have to be a live trader tho. No Sim trades allowed. they are tracked and if you make sim trades, you are booted.

I use Rancho Dinero suite, and the webinars on Rancho are very good, but you have to be a member to view them also.

My method is simple for me, and I have shared most of it on my journal. If anyone reads read it from the beginning, they will get an accurate overview of my methods. In fact, it is really textbook.

Asking about a trade is fine, but I wont be giving out chapter and verse for everything I do.

Takes too long and, I wont reveal my edge. Its nothing earth shatterring, but it is mine, so dont ask for all my rules and such. The complete story is for my family and friends only. And I decide who a friend is.

Risk of not greater that 1-2%. And more like >1%...for all trades.

That means 3 cars on a 100,000 account and a 15-20 ticks stop for less than 1%. In this scenario, on 3 cars, I can have a 30 tick stop. (900 dollars, .9% )

Thats the maximum on a single trade. While the trade is working, the risk changes. However, I still want to maintain a reasonable risk ratio in a trade.

If I trail the price by 20 ticks from the high, and I still want to mainiain a 1:2 risk ratio, then the target needs to be 40 ticks above the high. no real stats for that. Those are my own rules.

However, this is really an compeletly elastic ruturn curve, because by definition, a trail stop has no risk because it is only on a profitanble trade that I use a trailing stop. It is an infinite return. I hope this makes sense.

I also use a 5 momentum with Fattails VWAP indicator, as It provides me with a good overview of previous session levels. The guys a genius.

One final mention is on my 2nd chart, i had my trailng stop hit on a pull back, but I reentered the trade with a reduced size.

Today was terrific.

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On this 60 mitute chart.

There is no right or wrong answer. It allows for personal interpretaion. The point is, however, that given just this chart, how and why would you reason where to take a trade. Or more importantly, off this chart alone, where is price heading and why?

If you dont want to say, for fear of being wrong, on the record, dont worry. There is no wrong answer.

Because , as Jack Shwager said on his Webinar Saturday, one of the the common traits of all successful traders is flexibility. To be able to adjust or fine tune their thinking based on new information very quickly.

Choices are, long, short, or no trade...wait. And why.

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Hi VinceVirgil,

I do not trade this week as i am outside of town but wanted to add my opinion regarding the current state of affair.

I usually try to identify a swing trade based on the state of imbalance which i preceive on the chart and would want to go long at very specific locations (2 in this case). I would start with 1 lot and add 1 more as shown on my example. You'll see some differences with your chart but the structure is the same. My swing trades are done on the CFD counterpart of the crude oil contract.


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Hi VinceVirgil,

I do not trade this week as i am outside of town but wanted to add my opinion regarding the current state of affair.

I usually try to identify a swing trade based on the state of imbalance which i preceive on the chart and would want to go long at very specific locations (2 in this case). I would start with 1 lot and add 1 more as shown on my example. You'll see some differences with your chart but the structure is the same. My swing trades are done on the CFD counterpart of the crude oil contract.


So, based on your chart, and your assessment, you expect higher price for oil from the current levels.

What would you look for at the open on Thursday, considering it is the DOE report day? Any thoughts as to what you consider important factors that would have an effect betweeen today and Thursday?

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So, based on your chart, and your assessment, you expect higher price for oil from the current levels.

What would you look for at the open on Thursday, considering it is the DOE report day? Any thoughts as to what you consider important factors that would have an effect betweeen today and Thursday?

You're asking tough questions

I think there are always two potential valid scenarios at every step. The difference resides in your perception of the risk:reward at this point. Price has reached a valid level to go short but given the strength of the move up to this point, the likely scenario (in my mind) is for a retracement and continuation to the upside. Even if i am wrong and price fills my first and second positions, i would be relatively confident i could bail out of this trade at BE given the support levels created during the last rally. Also, i did answer in the context of your original question ....


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...The point is, however, that given just this chart, how and why would you reason where to take a trade. Or more importantly, off this chart alone, where is price heading and why?
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You're asking tough questions

I think there are always two potential valid scenarios at every step. The difference resides in your perception of the risk:reward at this point. Price has reached a valid level to go short but given the strength of the move up to this point, the likely scenario (in my mind) is for a retracement and continuation to the upside. Even if i am wrong and price fills my first and second positions, i would be relatively confident i could bail out of this trade at BE given the support levels created during the last rally. Also, i did answer in the context of your original question ....


I like your reasoning.

I am biased long still...espessially for this Thursday. I agree with the investor sentiment is bullish. Consider that on Tuesday we had a strong move to the upside.

According to Brooks, however, 80% of all breakouts fail. And as a Price Action follower, and CL does respect levels of resistance vary well. Given the holiday, and baring any major news oout of the Middle East, I will be looking very closely at Wednesday overnight price. May be a good trade opportunity come Thursday.

But either long or short has almost equal wieght. But I am leaning, personally, at 60/40 long.

I appreciate your comments.

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It is time for me to close this post.

I have given this desicion more than a little thought over the last few weeks, and I beleive I have reached a major crossroads in trading as a personal endeavour.

I will still remain a member of futures.io (formerly BMT), but I have reached a point where my journal is not as nessessary as it once has been.

I dont feel the need to post every day, and in fact, I may start another thread in the future. But for the time being, I feel the focus should be on my personal trading, and that I really need to keep my own council, becuase, though I have a lot to learn, I know everything I need to be a long term profitable trader.

There are events that occur, either by accident or on purpose, that has a major imfluence on the course of ones life. As often as not, these events are not fully recognised and understood until much later.

Some are obvious... the first day of school, ride a bike, swam in the deep end, fall in love, get married,see the birth of your children, lose a loved one in death. And the choices we make...the sport we chose to play, the school we want to attend, the career we want to have.

I feel I need to take this break for my personal growth and development. This may turn out to be one of those events I described above, for me.

I am very thankful for all the comments I have received on my post, and all the unselfish guidance. It has been invaluable, more than than I can put into words.

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It is time for me to close this post.

I have given this desicion more than a little thought over the last few weeks, and I beleive I have reached a major crossroads in trading as a personal endeavour.

I will still remain a member of futures.io (formerly BMT), but I have reached a point where my journal is not as nessessary as it once has been.

I dont feel the need to post every day, and in fact, I may start another thread in the future. But for the time being, I feel the focus should be on my personal trading, and that I really need to keep my own council, becuase, though I have a lot to learn, I know everything I need to be a long term profitable trader.

There are events that occur, either by accident or on purpose, that has a major imfluence on the course of ones life. As often as not, these events are not fully recognised and understood until much later.

Some are obvious... the first day of school, ride a bike, swam in the deep end, fall in love, get married,see the birth of your children, lose a loved one in death. And the choices we make...the sport we chose to play, the school we want to attend, the career we want to have.

I feel I need to take this break for my personal growth and development. This may turn out to be one of those events I described above, for me.

I am very thankful for all the comments I have received on my post, and all the unselfish guidance. It has been invaluable, more than than I can put into words.

Vance H

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Hello @VinceVirgil,

I for one truly enjoyed your thread. Your thoughts and insight will be missed.

Wishing you all the best now and in the future,

Rick

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Congrats Vance, look forward to seeing you around in other threads.

Have a good one. Closing thread as requested.

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