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Howdy from Texas
I started this adventure a couple years ago, had the economy just devastate two businesses, so trading look like a great alternative, or a start of a new business.
I thought had learned some thing, then blew up my first account. And so I finally found the trading forums, love it here at big Mike's, lots of really good people here.
So this is my first journal, I know I have way too many charts, but I'm trying to sort out the type of trader I am, so don't bash me to bad, and any help to point me in the right direction will help.
I'm not the greatest computer person, but have learned a lot the last couple years, and the Dragon software makes typing much easier. It is Thursday, August 11, 2011. I hope to be able to post some trades and charts, on Friday.
I consider myself a discretional of trader, unfortunately not very good. I have been learning some fibs, market profile, momentum, trending, harmonic balance, and picked up a lot of stuff from a contest at the beginning of summer. My goals are to make around 20 ticks or pips, per day, depending on market. I will bounce around occasionally, but mostly only S&P 500.(16)mostly sim,,but some real.
I don't have any steadfast rules yet, except for confirmation with indicators. I believe consolidation or congestion, happen at whole numbers, like the zeros and fives. So I will play this like a Football game.
So the zeros will be in zones, and the 5 is50 yard line. And 1.5 to 0, or 8.5to 0, will be to red zones,,,( picked that up on an educational video on futures.io (formerly BMT)). So just like football, the goal is to score. (I picked this idea from big mike, on one of his threads), but I think it will help, to see trading as something I really like, I do have a lots of logistics have to work out, but for me I know this will be a blast. Go Cowboys

This is one of my charts,,,probaly my main trading chart,,,most of indicators are thanks to ,Fat Tails,Gomi,Sharky,Cory,Cunparis,BM,,,and all the great people here...and my friend Frank who has help me find tons of info including futures.io (formerly BMT),,,,,,so its time to learn and get good at this.
I will fill ya'll in on what I learned along the way,and what I am learing at this time,,,and explanation of trades,should show my style,and help develop some good rules. But as everyone knows this Journal is currently more for me than anybody else, but I do hope, to help people not make the same mistakes I did,, I am just blue-collar trader, so when you're underfunded you must get very consistent.

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My main objective is really price action, if I was you use just one indicator, vwap,with deviations, haven't figured out which is the best timeframe for me. So I know this will be a little screwy at first, but lets see what happens.
The first 4 charts are a little bit out of order, . I did get too early,but it was right at the 9;30,,so I was looking for the high or rotation back to the vwap , or break out of high.got 7.25,, since I'm sim trading. I kept going, but I'm trying to come up with a system.

So we got in around now 9;12, at 1170, and almost got out a couple of times, we got 1178.5 and started retrace so I got out, we went back to 75, we just need in the second time we got up to around 1178 I got out, it did turn out to be a 10 point moved, we made 1180+, so got a little too early, but I did my stop, I just hated to give back anything.so this is chart 4.

2nd or next trade was the 6 e,,, got in at 1214, got out right at the vwap,, and ended up retracing, didn't quite make so get back a few tips.my goal was 1235..

Third trade was on range char,i have been trying to get simple,,this was a great momentem trade,,for 5.25 points,just went right to 85,,,so endzone to 50,,not bad,the second chart,moved stop...and simple on my entry, I got candle was breaking above the five EMA it was above the vwap, Mike's OPV was great, momentum, indicator pull and turned up. I haven't done much with range charts but I sure like the way this worked today.

Please bear with me, hope some of this makes sense, I know I will get much better at it. See you Monday

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I am guilty no charts to show,,,because I traded around 40 round turns on the s&p,,,,got hammered on 1st two trades and was down over 400,real money,,,,I always want to start at the bell.,,,and counter trend,,,,and looking for turns,,and ,and ,and,,,,,not good at it..(need to stop till i get better at this)!!lost all of last week(which wasn't much) and,so finished in the hole for monday.
seems like when I go to real money,,,i just forget it all.....back to the drawing board...
Need to get in trade and stay,(but i was wrong like that this morning),Sharky said it best, find trend and hang,,,,
I have done this more than once,,,,i like to trade alot,maybe I need to nothing but momentuem trades?
So nickel and time the rest of week,,,,no more than 3 trades per-day,..including sim...So right or wrong, take my choices of trades with the couple of systems I know....and try to become the cherry picker,,,if I don't start playing smarter,,,the micros are around the corner....Simpler is better,,,,,1 chart tommorrow,,,get notebook out and do home work(the fibs and mp will help),,,journal each trade....and keep this journal going,,,all of this will help.....OUCH,,,Monday sure can suck,especially when I know if had just rebooted,there was money to be made today! Tommorrow

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Sorry you had a bad day. The best thing you can do is document it, so you can understand it, and build a plan to combat it in the future.

I always encourage you to share your chart, especially on bad days. The pain you are feeling and desire to not share a chart is from embarrassment of just how bad the day was, and just how foolish your trades were (speaking from experience). Post them anyway.

If you promise yourself you will always post your chart, no matter how ugly or bad, then you will instantly start the process of holding yourself accountable. And if you know ahead of time your chart is going to be made public at the end of the day, it has a powerful psychological reaction or response and will almost certainly help prevent you from making some of the worst trade decisions, as you think them through instead. The reasoning is "if I take this trade, and post the chart later, will it be a good trade? I mean did I follow all my rules, or is this a really dumb trade?". If you can say that YES, you did follow your rules, then you can be proud to take the trade. Whereas if you know that you are just randomly clicking buttons, revenge trading, over trading, and in general have lost all control over reasoning and trading your plan, then maybe the act of publicly posting the chart will reign you in a bit.

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seems like when I go to real money,,,i just forget it all.....back to the drawing board...
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sim as you would with real money identical setup, time of day, number of contract, same check list etc...

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Even though you are a Cowboys fan.....I suppose you being from Texas, that minor sin can be forgiven....the analogy works.

What Cory said, sim as though it were real is the best advice I can give. As all great coaches say, you will play the way you practice. So if sim is just play time, you will lose when it comes to playing for real money.

Run your drills, run your drills, run your drills until you are sick of them and can do them in your sleep. Then go play ball with live money.

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Howdy all
good advice from everybody, I need to find what I was doing before the markets really went crazy, I should have been doing this Journal a while back, I have had about a month straight without a losing day on sim. But I didn't do a good job tracking it, so I know journaling is a very good key to this, and simplifying it will help.I have been playing with vwap and the devs.more study and practice.

So we're back to sim trading again for quite well, took my three trades this morning, one winner, two losers, learning how to do this is adventure also, so got rid of most of the charts I have saved, put them in a file, so the ones I am hanging on to I can find and comment on. I believe I'll start putting notes on the charts that will help

*Learning how to do this ,sothese are out of order again,, first trade showing is a loser I got in a little early looking for the bounce off the value area, set a stop just above the first deviation when it kept going that direction, , stoped me, yhen turned around went to the vwap. I know that has happened to everybody ,,,believe I lost about three points

second trade was my winning trade of day, got in at 94 even and out at 01 .25, this is the type of trade should be patient and look for daily, I had realized that we where in value area from previous day, and the odds of filling that value area is high. The problem is, with real money probably would've gotten shaken out this, this did retrace back to one tick of my breakeven stop, and when I took this shot I was up forward three points, ended up with over five points,so would I had stayed?it sure worked out,,

The third trade was someplace in between their, I started out good ,,,,look like a good pullback, but I know this turned into losing trade. I have to start keeping better records. I know I'll get better at this quickly, I believe am looking just for momentum and price action, it did turn out to be a losing day, not by much.

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This is the best trade of the day, I realized today I am much better at sim than real money
the other thing I know, from the trade before this, that I should wait for that9:00,and 9:30 range, the high or low is generally put in, and you are looking for rotation or breakouts
,what's the market trying to tell you, and where are the strong magnets

I had a fair trade going before this one, where it was before 930 Central and I should've taken the money, instead it triple topped, and stop me out at breakeven, I am not showing this trade. Second trade is really what I have been trying to accomplish.

So there is 4 charts, pretty much from beginning to end.
First chart shows entry, when I realized we was going to rotate back towards Vwap,leaving POC. And headed back to overnight highs (white line)back to zero(1200.00), and was coming from 5 area, (which seem to be more turning points than the 0.) Did get in little bit late, but that's when the brain came on

2nd chart, I moved my stop, was looking at the 400 chart, which I normally play fibs on, I had found that it bounced at dev, and went to 50% level, which would've been a good place to add contract, it did go to my -23% fib target. But I was in for the long haul everything looked great (would been a good entry on any trade)
, the question is would I have gone to just first deviation and got out?, (I really don't know if I can do real money, it really is like sitting down hundred dollar table, or something close to.) More on that later.
but we stayed ,,,,looks promising,probally make the 5"s(95 area)

3rd chart, shows we have gone from first deviation, with the skew to the downside, came from POC through vwap, my 5 whole # area,or 50 yard line,then to first lower deviation, passed through redline which is high of value area yesterday, and towards my target. Which was 1990, which I front ran 2 ticks(9.50), which was POC of yesterday also. To my surprise since I like putting in my stops myself, I had a sell stop, instead of buy stop(oops). I guess I tipped the broker.
So this was a touchdown, from one end zone, to the other. Now I know this was Sim, I got out early, I really did think it would go to the second deviation and fill the market value of yesterday.but chickened out.even on sim

Fourth chart shows that. And of course if I continued playing, the bounce, another five-point move. The S&P seems to like these five-point measured moves, I'm sure big-money is not looking at ticks.and we keep bouning off yesterdays low value area (green line)also,,,where will it go?

see you all thrusday, also the Dragon software is kinda weird, you really have to watch what it is typing, so I hope most of this makes sense.

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ok back to the russells, today,(still simmig) this morning,,,,here is a lossing trade,
my thoughts where,small candles
right at 50% fibs
right on lower 1st dev,had rotated back into value the other 2 times..
really believed it would move back up,at least to vwap,,,I guess when trend is more to down side(for day) and the point of control is with vwap,,headed back towards open,I did miss that IB also,,the two ups(rotations) never got close to IB high,,,so look for presure to downside?,only trade in that direction?.i always look for that turn and I am wrong most of time..........might have learned something today?
the other thing I have been trying to develope is playing zones,when i look back,especally on TF today,,, I would do better with out the indicators,,so I while playTF tommorrow,,and try playing just the #s

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ok back to the russells, today,(still simmig) this morning,,,,here is a lossing trade,
my thoughts where,small candles
right at 50% fibs
right on lower 1st dev,had rotated back into value the other 2 times..
really believed it would move back up,at least to vwap,,,I guess when trend is more to down side(for day) and the point of control is with vwap,,headed back towards open,I did miss that IB also,,the two ups(rotations) never got close to IB high,,,so look for presure to downside?,only trade in that direction?.i always look for that turn and I am wrong most of time..........might have learned something today?
the other thing I have been trying to develope is playing zones,when i look back,especally on TF today,,, I would do better with out the indicators,,so I while playTF tommorrow,,and try playing just the #s


I wish you best of Luck @jrs659
I see you trading with real money soon.. I know you can do well...

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I found out that I've gone back into my old habits, and started pushing buttons again. Next week I will say goodbye to the TF, which I would love to get revenge on,ha,and even though I know it pretty good . I will go back to the S&P, and try to master a couple of trading systems I have somewhat learned. Unless I go to the micros, I know the S&P is the only market I can afford, and I have gotten where I really like it. It's probably the most technical market out there, I know it's a little hard to trade, partly because of the quarter points, and you have to be right or big-money will hammer you.
So see ya'll Monday and ,Thanks to all for the advice and encouragement. JRS

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Try and keep up with this trading Journal, started out with bad habits this morning, pushbuttons right at open, didn't look for market to start making range, just got in and out no rhyme or reason, found myself in the hole pretty good. Bad habits.

First chart shows that I decided to buy into a downtrend, thought it was going to turn. Move moving my stops, bad habits.

The second chart I was trading the deviations, and had found a turn. I let it go to the vwap, and thought it would rotate back up to the high and value area high for friday.and 2nd dev,,,, well the phone rang, notice no stop in that chart, because it was Sim, I let a very good winning trade turn to a losing trade. And even worse I still believe we was an uptrend, some of my stop. Got hammered, bad bad habits

then as always, third chart the brain kicked in a little bit, it is Monday, the skew is to the downside, had been too, just a little more patience, it was at whole number also((which I look for as price action) we was breaking out of 930 range, so market is out of balance, and I could've gotten more, but I made my target. This is a good trade, if I have patience it has most of everything I am looking for.

So I'm done for the day, if I've been playing real money I would've lost on a day the S&P moved 25 points.(and was very technical) I must lose my bad habits, and look for my(momentum price action trades) and use the methods I know to confirm these.

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ok,good day when looking at charts and price action,the reason behind looking at the whole # is that price action,,,hit on all trades this morning,but mis-managed,profit targets...looking for it go to whole #'s,when I had common targets,,,so the price action will help in larger profits,,,but consider taking the profits ,if the deviations or fibs say to.

1st chart where I believed it would,go to the 0,,,but in my defense my value area was set wrong ,so the lower area was from the night session and not yesterday,,,which it did break thru,,,but it did not make the 0,,,I did believe we were going lower,,,but that was the turn...low of day,,,,I took break even,

2nd chart,,,same issue,,,I beleived this would go longer to targets,and bounced off 1 st ,,,I should have takin profits but beleive get to whole # ,,,i would take another BE stop out.

3rd chart got back in never at 35 to make the 40,,, took the break even,,,,should've taken profits at dev

4th chart is where we went thru the 40 to 45 and to second dev,,,,shows on the right track,,,just a little early,,,another 20 point move and I seems I am not getting any chips,,,,,,whinning......

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I had to skip yesterday, and I will have to skip tomorrow,
I didn't do a good job of saving my losing trade, today which I believe is more important to me then the winners, but I'll post a good trade.

This chart shows that had I realized we had gotten into the value area of yesterday, high percentage to fill that value area, so I got in at around 50% pullback and went to a front run,,of low VA,,,that could be the only position trade I seem to be consistant on, and it is a good high probability trade,,so I should probably just look for this for a while,and lose some indicators and start playing a little more price action,shot turn fibs, and zones. (whole #s to whole#'s)keep it simple.

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I have kinda drifted away from this post, I will get back to it soon, have some personal stuff that must be taken care of, and I need to work on my trading rules . I believe I need to find my entries, then start working on price action to manage trade, I have lots of bad trades, but I can seem to catch a wave on occasion. This chart today is a good example, I got in on one of mr price action numbers, and went to the vwap, for another price action number, a good 5 points trade.
I know my worst bad habit is trading to early in the morning.which I did alot today before I say this one.

So I will work on my trading plan, take care of some my personal issues, and start back up with this thread around mid-September, thanks and sorry for any inconvenience.

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well,my lastest post is good that all the people I know are still alive and well,unfortunatly 2 people in my neiborhood did lose their lifes , ,,,this link has some pictures,,from locall paper,,,16 thru ,I beleive 20 is at the end of my road,,,,they are finally letting us in monday(day8),,i will show a few pictures soon of around the homestead..Bastrop Fire | Bastrop Advertiser

I guess I will learn a little more about swing trading(money micros probaly),since my days will be quite busy...

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OK started this about 4 years ago,I been playing sim and some real money ,when time allowed, I do everything ,everyone does,,so Today is a good day to start over ,(Moved stop and hammered real account) thought ready for the real money. I would like to close this Thread and start and new one, or at least re-title. So help?

I horrible typer,,,so

I have tried it all ,every indi, too many rooms, too many changes, and Really do know what I should do, and how to fix the problems. So time to start posting and move in the right direction.

So I will start posting next week. Thanks

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Guess I am going to be a little like that Bobby guy,,
Did't plan on trading real money today, the range killed me . Revenge trading, keep looking for the break outs.

The markets have just chewed me up, you think all that time on MP I would be looking for rotation.
I post the chart, for maybe my future reference, but I a going to lick my wounds for awhile. Good Luck to all who read, in the back of my mind, I do believe you can bet the ES, I am like a deer in headlight with real money, but I am really not that good sim either,
Last comment, finally got my breakout, had the right target, bad timing, never have been able to wait. Said the same 4 yrs ago,,,,Thanks jrs

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When I trade again there will be a news calendar in left corner.
Today is Columbus day and Can, Thanksgiving.

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say the trade in 1st chart,I made a good trade, good reasoning,,,I have do 2 contracts, you can see ,
had Measured Move drawn, out early(STUPID) and tried to countertrend( VA area on 5min.


2nd chart,,,saw the devercance stayed and made a little,.
Stop counter trending.

Maybe bar charts and KISS.

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as u can tell I am not done yet.
Which subject is more difficult than mathematics?

Can you give an argument as to which subject may be harder than Mathematics and what kind of knowledge is more advanced than mathematical knowledge?
Some say Physics or Chemistry are more difficult. This is a subjective opinion. In fact many other sciences use mathematical findings to discover things further. One could say Mathematics is the "mother" of sciences from which all (?) others spring...

Can you give an argument as to which subject may be harder than Mathematics and what kind of knowledge is more advanced than mathematical knowledge?
Some say Physics or Chemistry are more difficult. This is a subjective opinion. In fact many other sciences use mathematical findings to discover things further. One could say Mathematics is the "mother" of sciences from which all (?) others spring.
There is a high concentration of geniuses/people with high IQ in Mathematics specifically
Every subject. My daughter majored in math because it was the easiest major. She never intended to be a mathematician; she got a masters degree in international management, a field she found far more challenging and more fun. Now she is the Executive Director of Berkeley Earth.

Probably most people would find classical music composition to be more challenging than math.

I think we all tend to strive to be able to do things for which we have little talent. For some people, that's math. For others, it is business. For others, music. Maybe language. Maybe politics. Maybe physics. Any subject in which you have no talent is more difficult than math.

It has been my suggestion to many people that, instead of trying to fill in their weak areas, that they go with their areas of strength. The problem is that people don't give themselves much credit for those talents that come easy. Freeman Dyson, known after WWII as the greatest mathematician in the UK (and maybe in the world) was asked, "How do you do it?" His answer, "You are asking the wrong question. The right question is, 'Why doesn't everyone else'". Math came so easy to him that he couldn't understand why it didn't to everyone.

It is a common mistake to think that someone whose talent lies in a different realm than yours does is necessarily smarter. Perhaps that person thinks you are smarter.

I've known some of the best mathematicians in the world. I would not rank them as smarter than some of the best businessmen I've known. Who was smarter, Bill Thurston (one of the great mathematicians of the 20th century, and my brother-in-law) or Bill Gates? I've spend enough time with each to be able to say clearly that there is no way I could compare them. They are both among the smartest people I've ever known, but their talents are in completely different areas, with little overlap.

I became a good friend of Bo Callaway. His talent in business was so great that he didn't aspire to make money, except when he needed it. He decided to run for Senator of Colorado. To do that he needed 10 million dollars. He told me that rather than begging wealthy people for the money, he was going to open a new ski resort and when it was successful, it would provide the required capital. He explained to me how he was going to do that, how he would convince all the necessary people (transportation, hotels, restaurants) to come in and profit with him. So he created Crested Butte ski area. He quickly profited by the required $10M, and went on to lose the race for Senate. To him, making money was easier. Having lots of money was not important, so he made it only when he needed it. He aspired to greatness in politics, an arena in which his talent was not as natural.

Humans appear to have a multidimensional brain. Some find math easy; others music; others politics; others business. Math isn't harder. It's just different.

Richard Muller

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