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Thursday and Friday were both loser days for my NQ ideas....Today it was back to winning.....

One trade at confirmed breakout bar, add on at +10 move stop to just above the doji bar and hold on....

+40, +30...gross +35 on blended entry....


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Thursday and Friday were both loser days for my NQ ideas....Today it was back to winning.....

One trade at confirmed breakout bar, add on at +10 move stop to just above the doji bar and hold on....

+40, +30...gross +35 on blended entry....


@PandaWarrior

just something to consider...

nq is showing relative strength to es

so why short the stronger of the 2 instruments ?

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@PandaWarrior

just something to consider...

nq is showing relative strength to es

so why short the stronger of the 2 instruments ?

What difference does it make when both showed an opportunity with clear risk/reward and beside the NQ is what PandaWarrior trades?


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What difference does it make when both showed an opportunity with clear risk/reward and beside the NQ is what you trade?

in your rush to cynicism, why don't you stop and take a moment to think and reason?

the question is, which one showed the BEST opportunity?

if you have the choice of whether to sell the weaker or the stronger of two like instruments, what does logic dictate?

if you have the choice of whether to buy the stronger or the weaker of two like instruments, what does logic dictate?

what offers you the best chance of making money?


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during earnings season it seems that each separate index is in their own world. it was a trend day down in the YM early on....while nq and tf had a very delayed reaction.

with exception of this past Friday it seems like you been getting paid much quicker on YM shorts of late....

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@PandaWarrior

just something to consider...

nq is showing relative strength to es

so why short the stronger of the 2 instruments ?

$5.00 vs $12.50

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during earnings season it seems that each separate index is in their own world. it was a trend day down in the YM early on....while nq and tf had a very delayed reaction.

with exception of this past Friday it seems like you been getting paid much quicker on YM shorts of late....

to say they're in a world of their own, might be going a little too far

it's still about flows and they're still arbed against each other

and whether its a flow oriented phenomena or value oriented one

it still boils down to relative strength

which means you buy strength and sell weakness

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today:

YM: -.47%
NQ: +.66%
ES: +.18%
TF: +.46%

over a 100 bp difference between nq and ym today

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When considering the BEST opportunity, I feel there is another issue when comparing them (ES vs. NQ vs. YM), and that is the clarity of signals (it's not just about strength, tigertrader). When you look at your setup(s) and compare across instruments, which instrument gives the most reliable signals? Which one the least? False triggers? Clarity? Traps? How do your exits work with each of these?

I studied all three carefully over the years with respect to my setups. BY FAR, the least trappy was ES and the worst one was YM. That finding shocked me... we are told ES is poor for day trading... NQ and YM are supposed to offer better opportunities...etc. Not the case.

ES 'protects' the price levels better (not as frayed)... and makes more sense as an instrument, at least for me.

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to say they're in a world of their own, might be going a little too far

it's still about flows and they're still arbed against each other

and whether its a flow oriented phenomena or value oriented one

it still boils down to relative strength

which means you buy strength and sell weakness

hello tigertrader, I think your words make a lot of sense. your +/- categorisation is currently on my wall right above my trading computer. I'm curious to know how do you compare the strength of 2 similar instruments. by the look of the 2 charts posted by "trendisyourfriend", I would have determined that ES was the stronger one instead, since its uptrend leading to the crash was relatively more orderly and had a better angle.

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