NexusFi: Find Your Edge


Home Menu

 





Harmonic Trading


Discussion in Traders Hideout

Updated
      Top Posters
    1. looks_one George with 56 posts (128 thanks)
    2. looks_two MajorMagnuM with 29 posts (1 thanks)
    3. looks_3 TraderJesse with 19 posts (27 thanks)
    4. looks_4 Fat Tails with 9 posts (20 thanks)
      Best Posters
    1. looks_one Big Mike with 5.8 thanks per post
    2. looks_two George with 2.3 thanks per post
    3. looks_3 Fat Tails with 2.2 thanks per post
    4. looks_4 TraderJesse with 1.4 thanks per post
    1. trending_up 113,193 views
    2. thumb_up 248 thanks given
    3. group 69 followers
    1. forum 166 posts
    2. attach_file 130 attachments




 
Search this Thread

Harmonic Trading

  #111 (permalink)
 
TraderJesse's Avatar
 TraderJesse 
Denver
 
Experience: None
Platform: NinjaTrader
Posts: 85 since Aug 2009
Thanks Given: 51
Thanks Received: 95

Should be interesting to see how many patterns if any complete the AB=CD.

Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	2010-03-03_094815.png
Views:	413
Size:	56.8 KB
ID:	9000   Click image for larger version

Name:	2010-03-03_095058.png
Views:	375
Size:	57.6 KB
ID:	9001   Click image for larger version

Name:	2010-03-03_095313.png
Views:	351
Size:	58.6 KB
ID:	9002   Click image for larger version

Name:	2010-03-03_095535.png
Views:	350
Size:	56.3 KB
ID:	9003   Click image for larger version

Name:	2010-03-03_100231.png
Views:	367
Size:	55.0 KB
ID:	9004  
Reply With Quote

Can you help answer these questions
from other members on NexusFi?
Quant vue
Trading Reviews and Vendors
MC PL editor upgrade
MultiCharts
REcommedations for programming help
Sierra Chart
Better Renko Gaps
The Elite Circle
Pivot Indicator like the old SwingTemp by Big Mike
NinjaTrader
 
  #112 (permalink)
 
Fat Tails's Avatar
 Fat Tails 
Berlin, Europe
Market Wizard
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: NinjaTrader, MultiCharts
Broker: Interactive Brokers
Trading: Keyboard
Posts: 9,888 since Mar 2010
Thanks Given: 4,242
Thanks Received: 27,103

Some fun reading this thread, so I will post some of my charts as well:

Recommended reading on Fibonacci :

(1) Robert C. Miner: High Probability Trading Strategies - In my opinion the best book on the subject, of those I have read
(2) Carolyn Boroden: Fibonacci Trading - Influenced by Robert C.Miner, but not as accurate
(3) Larry Pesavento: Trade What You See - Easy Read, Focus on Visual Patterns like ABCD, Gartley, Butterfly and Three Push Pattern
(4) Constance Brown: Fibonacci Analysis - A different approach to Fibonacci Analysis. slightly oversophisticated and not always easy to understand, but worth reading
(5) Joe DiNapoli: Trading with DiNapoli Levels - An Oldtimer

Harmonic trading for me is about waves that superimpose and exhibit self-stabilizing or self-reinforcing characteristics. The golden ratio Phi has the property that Phi = 1 / (1+Phi). If wave 2 retraces 38.2% of wave 1, if then wave 3 has the same length as wave 1, it will stop at 161.8% of the first wave measured from the beginning of the first wave. If wave 4 also retraces 38.2% it will have retraced exactly to the end of wave1.
Some classical rules of trading, such as measured moves, resistance that becomes support and Fibonacci retracements and extensions reinforce each other, and you will find cluster areas as a result of application of these rules.

I will try to present a number of setups here that rely on Fibonacci Cluster. This works well on intraday charts, so I will start with CL today.

Three charts of CL:

The first one shows fibonacci confluence areas with standard settings. The lookback period is 300 days and the confluence zones displayed are extracted from 540 different Fibonacci levels, those in the vicinity of price action of today. The idea behind is not to take the last 2 swings that are visible on the chart, but take the larger swings that occured during a longer period backward. The indicator uses an internal zigzag to define these swings.

The chart shows 3 typical applications : Entry for the second leg of an ABC correction, retracement entry for start of 3rd wave, exit for a 3rd wave.

The second chart shows the various Fibonacci lines that add up to the confluence zones in detail, maybe explain this in detail later.

The third chart shows an optimized setting of the confluence lines. It is a cheated chart, because the minimum deviation of the zigzag and width of the confluence zones has been adjusted in hindsight to match the outcome. However the first chart is with standard settings, and on the second chart you will find that the lines have not been invented. Actually it is better to display fewer lines than more, because the fewer lines have a higher probability of causing a reaction. Therefore I do not use this on charts < 5 min, but mostly on 30 min or 60 min charts.

Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	CL 04-10 (30 Min)  08_03_2010 Confluence.jpg
Views:	382
Size:	117.4 KB
ID:	9278   Click image for larger version

Name:	CL 04-10 (30 Min)  08_03_2010  All Lines.jpg
Views:	351
Size:	165.2 KB
ID:	9279   Click image for larger version

Name:	CL 04-10 (30 Min)  08_03_2010 Cheated.jpg
Views:	383
Size:	121.9 KB
ID:	9280  
Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #113 (permalink)
 
Fat Tails's Avatar
 Fat Tails 
Berlin, Europe
Market Wizard
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: NinjaTrader, MultiCharts
Broker: Interactive Brokers
Trading: Keyboard
Posts: 9,888 since Mar 2010
Thanks Given: 4,242
Thanks Received: 27,103


These charts show the details of Fibonacci Confluence Zones by explaining the lines in terms of swing highs, swing lows, retracements, extensions, projections and alternates. You will find that the lines cluster, although five different methods have been used to put the concerto together. Clustering is made possible by the golden ratio. which is self-reinforcing and therefore found in nature as well.

Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	CL 04-10 (30 Min)  08_03_2010 Swing Highs and Lows.jpg
Views:	337
Size:	112.1 KB
ID:	9298   Click image for larger version

Name:	CL 04-10 (30 Min)  08_03_2010 Retracements.jpg
Views:	345
Size:	149.1 KB
ID:	9299   Click image for larger version

Name:	CL 04-10 (30 Min)  08_03_2010 Extensions.jpg
Views:	345
Size:	118.9 KB
ID:	9300   Click image for larger version

Name:	CL 04-10 (30 Min)  08_03_2010 Projections.jpg
Views:	336
Size:	121.9 KB
ID:	9301   Click image for larger version

Name:	CL 04-10 (30 Min)  08_03_2010 Alternates.jpg
Views:	322
Size:	113.0 KB
ID:	9302   Click image for larger version

Name:	CL 04-10 (30 Min)  08_03_2010 Concerto.jpg
Views:	291
Size:	150.5 KB
ID:	9304  
Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #114 (permalink)
 zeller4 
Orlando Florida
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: NT8
Trading: CL, NQ, ES, RTY
Posts: 477 since Jun 2009
Thanks Given: 1,416
Thanks Received: 404

Hey Fattails,

Have you ever set up an indicator to show the "clusters" automatically using the FibRetracement code?

kz

Reply With Quote
  #115 (permalink)
 
Fat Tails's Avatar
 Fat Tails 
Berlin, Europe
Market Wizard
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: NinjaTrader, MultiCharts
Broker: Interactive Brokers
Trading: Keyboard
Posts: 9,888 since Mar 2010
Thanks Given: 4,242
Thanks Received: 27,103

What do you call "FibRetracement code"?


zeller4 View Post
Hey Fattails,

Have you ever set up an indicator to show the "clusters" automatically using the FibRetracement code?

kz


Reply With Quote
  #116 (permalink)
 
Fat Tails's Avatar
 Fat Tails 
Berlin, Europe
Market Wizard
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: NinjaTrader, MultiCharts
Broker: Interactive Brokers
Trading: Keyboard
Posts: 9,888 since Mar 2010
Thanks Given: 4,242
Thanks Received: 27,103

Confluence zones for 6E today on a 30 min chart.

Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	6E 03-10 (30 Min)  09_03_2010.jpg
Views:	410
Size:	106.3 KB
ID:	9356  
Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #117 (permalink)
 
TraderJesse's Avatar
 TraderJesse 
Denver
 
Experience: None
Platform: NinjaTrader
Posts: 85 since Aug 2009
Thanks Given: 51
Thanks Received: 95


Fat Tails View Post
Some fun reading this thread, so I will post some of my charts as well:

Recommended reading on Fibonacci :

(1) Robert C. Miner: High Probability Trading Strategies - In my opinion the best book on the subject, of those I have read
(2) Carolyn Boroden: Fibonacci Trading - Influenced by Robert C.Miner, but not as accurate
(3) Larry Pesavento: Trade What You See - Easy Read, Focus on Visual Patterns like ABCD, Gartley, Butterfly and Three Push Pattern
(4) Constance Brown: Fibonacci Analysis - A different approach to Fibonacci Analysis. slightly oversophisticated and not always easy to understand, but worth reading
(5) Joe DiNapoli: Trading with DiNapoli Levels - An Oldtimer

Some classical rules of trading, such as measured moves, resistance that becomes support and Fibonacci retracements and extensions reinforce each other, and you will find cluster areas as a result of application of these rules.

Hi Fat Tails:

I've read the Larry Pesavento book and a boat load of pdf's found by doing a google search, many which are repetitive. Pesavento's style fits me so I have system modeled around it with variations. I do have Miner's books next on my list. I''ve skimmed through all of the other books at the local book store and didn't find Boroden's or Brown's books that appealing. I do want read DiNapoli's at some time. I've read Scott Carney ebook, The Harmonic Trader, it is very similar to Pesavento's stuff.

I'll reconsider the Boroden /Brown books and maybe get them read this year. There is an infinite number of ways to trade and anything I can add to my trading toolbox to make me a better trader and more profitable trader is well worth investigating.

And your bottom confluence zone held on the 6E chart. By 5 ticks , got to love it when it all works out as laid out.

Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	2010-03-12_123038.jpg
Views:	334
Size:	113.9 KB
ID:	9684  
Reply With Quote
  #118 (permalink)
 
Fat Tails's Avatar
 Fat Tails 
Berlin, Europe
Market Wizard
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: NinjaTrader, MultiCharts
Broker: Interactive Brokers
Trading: Keyboard
Posts: 9,888 since Mar 2010
Thanks Given: 4,242
Thanks Received: 27,103

Hi TraderJesse,

you are absolutely right. I find the confluence zones particular reliable if combined with

- Keltner Channels: Fibonacci lines outside Keltner Channels are very effective

- Volume Analysis: High Volume Churning confirms the start of an accumulation or distribution phase near those Fibonacci Lines

The black volume bars below are High Volume Churn Bars, and they are often (but not always) predicting a reversal.

Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Fibonacci Churn.jpg
Views:	363
Size:	123.4 KB
ID:	9689  
Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #119 (permalink)
 
cory's Avatar
 cory 
virginia
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: ninja
Trading: NQ
Posts: 6,098 since Jun 2009
Thanks Given: 877
Thanks Received: 8,090

came across this market warriorsoftware, it scans txt file to look for gartley pattern
Mikula Forecasting Company

Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #120 (permalink)
 
Fat Tails's Avatar
 Fat Tails 
Berlin, Europe
Market Wizard
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: NinjaTrader, MultiCharts
Broker: Interactive Brokers
Trading: Keyboard
Posts: 9,888 since Mar 2010
Thanks Given: 4,242
Thanks Received: 27,103


I have a problem with this chart:

(1) It reads Gartely pattern on top, but butterfly below, these are two different patterns.

(2) It is not a Gartley pattern, the specific two-legged ABCD correction never occured.

(3) The butterfly shown is mere fiction and never happened. If you like I can draw potential butterflies in any chart. One of the dangers with pattern recognition is to anticipate them, before they occur. This one never occured. A butterfly is only bullish after completion.

(4) If you look at the daily chart of CTXS you will find that a trend line simply was promoted to a trend channel line as an established trend weakened.

(5) Bullish Gartley and Butterfly patterns typically occur after a downtrend and are reversal not trend continuation patterns as this one.




cory View Post
came across this market warriorsoftware, it scans txt file to look for gartley pattern
Mikula Forecasting Company


Reply With Quote
Thanked by:




Last Updated on October 29, 2018


© 2024 NexusFi™, s.a., All Rights Reserved.
Av Ricardo J. Alfaro, Century Tower, Panama City, Panama, Ph: +507 833-9432 (Panama and Intl), +1 888-312-3001 (USA and Canada)
All information is for educational use only and is not investment advice. There is a substantial risk of loss in trading commodity futures, stocks, options and foreign exchange products. Past performance is not indicative of future results.
About Us - Contact Us - Site Rules, Acceptable Use, and Terms and Conditions - Privacy Policy - Downloads - Top
no new posts