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You are right, offsite hosting (VPS or colocation or whatever) is primarily for automated strategies.

While it is possible (depending on your internet connection) to run fullscreen charts over the internet with relatively low lag, I think you would have serious trouble running four monitors worth of charts.

I have a colocated server with dual 100mbit connections and a home connection that is 20mbit, and 3 24" monitors. I can run one fullscreen (1920x1200) chart from the server over RDP with relatively little lag (even with complicated graphics/transparency,etc). However, it gets a bit too slow if I extend the remote desktop to 2 or all 3 monitors.

Regarding buying your own equipment vs leasing.. leasing is probably the better option unless you have a need to have your own equipment, just due to the hassle involved in setting everything up and maintaining it. Generally you do get better deals on the bandwidth if you have your own equipment though.



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Traders,

here's my situation - I primarily scalp ES, HG, CL intraday - approx 60 - 100 contracts depending on the market conditions -
I am interested in using offsite equipment in hopes of having more computing power, maintenance provided and access whenever/wherever.
Question: If you have a dedicated server or VPS and my platform is loaded (Ninja) on it - how do you get charts displayed to your multiple monitors?
Currently I have four 23" widescreens -
For the most part - I have noticed that this approach (VPS) is for auto strats - does anybody use offsite horsepower/maintained machines for scalping??
Am I gaining anything by this approach??
before I purchase an expensive workstation with Quads and multiple SAS drives I thought that perhaps a commercial approach (lease the equip) might be better. But I don't understand how it gets the charts displayed on my monitors - 4 virtual desktops??
Any thoughts, ideas, criticisms welcome -
And Kudos to the trader that started this thread -
rr - Chicago


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sefstrat,

Thanks for the prompt reply -
That's good info - I have never used the remote desktop before and did not know what to expect in terms of performance -
Generally, usually any virtualized app doesn't match up to anything that is loaded/connected locally on the machine.
I also have a 20Mb internet connection max thru my provder - so your example specs would match exactly what I would have in terms of conection speed.
Looks like I've got to get my own beast - I just hope it's not too loud (fans)
So, basically everybody is monitoring an auto strat on maybe one or two screens without 10 - 20 charts loaded up. Guess that's why every internet lookup I did on VPS/dedicated servers only suggested auto program trading.
Good stuff - I really appreciate the first hand experience information -
Thanks again

rr - Chicago

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I have 2 clients that have automated strategies running on a collocated space in Chicago. If I get a few more people clients requesting the service, I plan on getting an ESX server and loading up VMs on them for my clients.

Thanks for the head's up. I'd rather use a recommended VPS than collocated servers for the strategies I'm hosting. They aren't super-needy algos and the VPS is much more economical than a collocated server.


Thanks for the suggestion!

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sefstrat,

Thanks for the prompt reply -
That's good info - I have never used the remote desktop before and did not know what to expect in terms of performance -
Generally, usually any virtualized app doesn't match up to anything that is loaded/connected locally on the machine.
I also have a 20Mb internet connection max thru my provder - so your example specs would match exactly what I would have in terms of conection speed.
Looks like I've got to get my own beast - I just hope it's not too loud (fans)
So, basically everybody is monitoring an auto strat on maybe one or two screens without 10 - 20 charts loaded up. Guess that's why every internet lookup I did on VPS/dedicated servers only suggested auto program trading.
Good stuff - I really appreciate the first hand experience information -
Thanks again

rr - Chicago

So it has been a while. How did it turn out ?

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Hey tradewerks,
Well, things took a completely different path -
I ended up getting my own equipment -
I've got two Lenovo S20 workstations -
Each have dual Matrox quad cards running 8 23" wide monitors
One workstation is for currency, the other commodities -
Currency account is with CFH Markets running MT4 -
Commodities account with Advantage Futures running CQG -
I'm happy, I can see it all, got a 60mb internet line and having no troubles getting fills -
Here's a pic of the beast!
Happy trading!!!!!
rr

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Hey tradewerks,
Well, things took a completely different path -
I ended up getting my own equipment -
I've got two Lenovo S20 workstations -
Each have dual Matrox quad cards running 8 23" wide monitors
One workstation is for currency, the other commodities -
Currency account is with CFH Markets running MT4 -
Commodities account with Advantage Futures running CQG -
I'm happy, I can see it all, got a 60mb internet line and having no troubles getting fills -
Here's a pic of the beast!
Happy trading!!!!!
rr

Looks great ! That is a lot of monitors.!

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how do you get 60mb internet line? is it like T1 line or fiber optic connection?

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how do you get 60mb internet line? is it like T1 line or fiber optic connection?

Could also be cable or ADSL these days.

Where i live, in the city center (Poland, sadly I live too far outside) I could get 120mbit these days.

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I've got RCN cable and in select cities they offer a 60mb service -
prior to the rollout, 20mb was the max -
I'm in Chicago -
rr

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No, you don't need too much RAM for TWS, if you use it just as a bridge between NT and IB. No charts, no market scanner, no Level 2, no Option Trader, etc, etc, and your TWS will live with its 256 mb. And you can also tune the Java launcher for allowing less memory to be used.

Sam028,

I just beginning to look into VPS. I'm based in Oz so it's a long way to the exchange so it makes sense for autobots for me.

I run Ninja, Investor RT and Multicharts, could you give me your opinion on what system configuration I would require. I am looking at 64 bit Workstation Windows 7.

All the best,

Bondi9999

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