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Market Wizard
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I want to throw a word about educators.

My perspective could be different than many here so if there are those that disagree with me, I am fine with it. But, here are my 2 cents in the manner: Educators should not be evaluated whether they make money or not, rather they should be evaluated based upon the foundation that lay for a beginner trader.

Like all business, some are a pure and out right no knowledge based sites equipped with nothing but a creative copywriting while some have real and substantial knowledge that put the seed of “hey, I have to press the BUY and Sell button based on something outside my emotions”. I have been doing this for a long time and I still purchase, read and enrich my knowledge with a variety of ideas.

As a broker I often like to hear that one has at least take the time and effort to learn because this could be a long term client oppose to those that lack education and their journey is short lived…. unfortunately.

Educators do have the right to charge as much as they want because its their product, but its your job as a trader or a beginner trader to decide what you want to learn and how your value what you are about to receive.

Despite all the criticism here, everyone at some point spent $$ on education whether through a book, software or a mentor.

It’s the job of a trader to collect the “pieces” learned and make them work for them based upon their nature and taste for risk.

Always get educated, you are up against real pros.

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My perspective could be different than many here so if there are those that disagree with me, I am fine with it. But, here are my 2 cents in the manner: Educators should not be evaluated whether they make money or not, rather they should be evaluated based upon the foundation that lay for a beginner trader.

Thanks, but I respectfully disagree. My hairdresser is involved in a local small business mentoring/education program. All the participants are business owners with positive cash flow; it's part of the requirements for membership. Saying anyone is/could be qualified is like taking diet advice from a morbidly obese person.

Let's not lower the bar, but raise it. Only then will the industry gain any credibility.

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Thanks, but I respectfully disagree. My hairdresser is involved in a local small business mentoring/education program. All the participants are business owners with positive cash flow; it's part of the requirements for membership. Saying anyone is/could be qualified is like taking diet advice from a morbidly obese person.

Let's not lower the bar, but raise it. Only then will the industry gain any credibility.

I respect your opinion. But, not all educators should get thrown under the bus under the same category as "hair dressers" trying to be traders LOL

Education is not a regulated industry, so I understand there is no barrier to entry. Also, I understand exactly who enters, but all I am saying there are good educators and it takes time and knowledge to appreciate one.

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Why would someone want a steady paycheck when no matter what they made last year they could make literally nothing this year? Not to mention lose capital. This is not exactly hard to understand.
While I do think most vendors are probably a bit full of it, the logic that if you could trade you wouldn't teach for a fee is just really faulty if not outright stupid. To me it's a sign of an amateur living in a hedge fund sized money dream world.

There are also some people that really do like to teach. Brett Steenbarger's 3500+ blog posts in 4 years can't really be explained through profit motive.

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 Vendor: www.integrity-traders.com 
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Vendor = like a job = some regular income
Trading = well, trading = can make and lose money
Vendor & Trading = some regular income, like a job & can gain or lose money trading.

Simple.

Dan

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If you teach trading you presumably also trade as well. So it's not necessarily either/or; it could be both/and.

That said, if teaching takes too much time or attention away from your trading, then you'd have to choose one or the other.

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trying to locate a poster who posted the following info for traders....

just a couple of days ago, there was a post from a trader signed up to learn how to trade with ms. miss (?) and followed the email advices accordingly.

however after a few weeks, the poster discovered that though the suggestion was profitable at the time of his/her reporting, the capital that should be put up to trade should be around 150,000 usd.

the reason according to the poster was that some trades suggested by the email included averaging and scaling to something like 6 or so contracts per trade.

anyway, i was trying to locate that post again today but was unable to any more.

anyone remembers who the poster was, pls?

thx much everyone.

nakachalet@gmail.com

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