NexusFi: Find Your Edge


Home Menu

 





Book Discussion: Reading Price Charts Bar by Bar by Al Brooks


Discussion in Traders Hideout

Updated
      Top Posters
    1. looks_one cunparis with 84 posts (158 thanks)
    2. looks_two Blz17 with 46 posts (131 thanks)
    3. looks_3 Big Mike with 34 posts (61 thanks)
    4. looks_4 ZTR with 18 posts (3 thanks)
      Best Posters
    1. looks_one cbratton with 7 thanks per post
    2. looks_two Blz17 with 2.8 thanks per post
    3. looks_3 cunparis with 1.9 thanks per post
    4. looks_4 Big Mike with 1.8 thanks per post
    1. trending_up 360,877 views
    2. thumb_up 843 thanks given
    3. group 163 followers
    1. forum 549 posts
    2. attach_file 120 attachments




 
Search this Thread

Book Discussion: Reading Price Charts Bar by Bar by Al Brooks

  #161 (permalink)
 Blz17 
Seattle
 
Experience: Beginner
Platform: NinjaTrader Interactive Brokers
Trading: 6B
Posts: 225 since Jun 2009
Thanks Given: 135
Thanks Received: 270

Here's an image of another great High2 entry on CL. Unfortunately I was on the phone.

Blz

QUICK UPDATE: I'm considering throwing my phone at the wall.

Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	High2.1.png
Views:	557
Size:	88.3 KB
ID:	3595  
Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal Reply With Quote

Can you help answer these questions
from other members on NexusFi?
ZombieSqueeze
Platforms and Indicators
MC PL editor upgrade
MultiCharts
Exit Strategy
NinjaTrader
REcommedations for programming help
Sierra Chart
Better Renko Gaps
The Elite Circle
 
Best Threads (Most Thanked)
in the last 7 days on NexusFi
Spoo-nalysis ES e-mini futures S&P 500
29 thanks
Just another trading journal: PA, Wyckoff & Trends
25 thanks
Tao te Trade: way of the WLD
24 thanks
Bigger Wins or Fewer Losses?
21 thanks
GFIs1 1 DAX trade per day journal
17 thanks
  #162 (permalink)
 Blz17 
Seattle
 
Experience: Beginner
Platform: NinjaTrader Interactive Brokers
Trading: 6B
Posts: 225 since Jun 2009
Thanks Given: 135
Thanks Received: 270


cunparis View Post
Nice trade. My ES H2 didn't work out, I exited with 1 tick. Then went short on the reversal. Not sure about that either. I guess I'd reverse again (to go long) on a H3. This is also forming a EMA gap.

Good trade on CL.

For ES, I don't like having a 2 pt stop and taking profit at 1 tick. Had I had done that though my trade would have worked. But it seems risky. I guess I should try it and see.

For the runner on CL.. what's your initial stop and target? I shoot for 1:1 on CL too. I find anything more than 30 ticks it's better to take the 30 cause it usually reverses. CL was violent today because of the inventory report, plus ES had a nice move up.

Euro couldn't crack 1.5000 and ES can't crack 1100.. We're at a very interesting point here and that's one reason the markets are a bit choppy.

There I go analyzing again.. I try not to do that..

I'm going to read up on the H2 trade. Gary's notes said to focus on that and a reversal after TL break so that's what I"ll do...

My initial stop is 1 tick below the setup bar and then 1 tick below the entry bar after the entry bar closes. I am looking at ways to reduce my stops if possible because they can get quite wide but I don't want to reduce them in a manner where I get stopped out too frequently. I still haven't designed my rules for a runner but what I will probably do is take off my first contract at plus 10ish (more or less depending on the momo) then move my runner stop to breakeven and manage it according to the price action.

Blz

Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal Reply With Quote
  #163 (permalink)
 
websouth's Avatar
 websouth 
Perdido Beach, AL
Market Wizard
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: graph paper
Trading: The shiny stuff
Posts: 1,209 since Jul 2009
Thanks Given: 1,116
Thanks Received: 1,335


I put some Brooks notes I have been using in the downloads section... you might find them useful. Cunparis you already saw this stuff at traders lab...I'm 2 days behind you.

This is a great thread.

Downloads - Educational - [AUTOLINK]Big Mike Trading[/AUTOLINK] Forum

Some Brooks notes which I have been learning -
Number one question: is the market trending or not?

A very large bar with small or no tails after a protracted move or breakout can represent exhaustion and no trade should be taken until more price action unfolds.

If the market tries to do something twice and fails both times, expect it to do the opposite and likely succeed.

Do not take a second entry that lets you in at a better price than the first.

Do not trade breakouts in a sideways market. Wait for price action to confirm the breakout or reveal it to be a failure.

Any time three or more consecutive bars mostly overlap and one or more is a doji stop trading and treat it like a trading range.

A big move in one direction that is followed by one that retraces the entire move often means the market will move into a trading range.

Always have two reasons to enter a trade: reversal bar, good signal bar pattern, EMA pullback in a trend, breakout pullback, breakout test, H/L 2 or 4, failure of anything, any second entry.

A tight trading range (largely overlapping bars) is like barb wire and acts like a magnet, drawing breakouts back towards its middle.

Doji bars are one bar trading ranges. Never buy above one in a bear or sell below one in a bull.

On a strong trend day trade every H/L 2 where the setup bar touches or penetrates the EMA.

Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal Reply With Quote
  #164 (permalink)
 Blz17 
Seattle
 
Experience: Beginner
Platform: NinjaTrader Interactive Brokers
Trading: 6B
Posts: 225 since Jun 2009
Thanks Given: 135
Thanks Received: 270

Yet another pattern that I'm learning about. This pattern is incredibly new to me but perhaps it's just something to watch for. According to Brooks when price spikes and then channels you can typically expect that start of the channel to be tested sometime within a day or two. You can see from today that the oil inventory report created a big spike and then CL channeled upwards all day. It will be interesting to see if the 78.70ish area gets tested soon. If so that's more then 200 ticks of action to work with.

Blz

P.S. One additional note about today. After a big push I recall that you can expect three waves up. Note the first wave created by the inventory report then 2 more waves where CL finally lost momentum after the top of third wave. Just an observation.

Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	SpikeChannel.png
Views:	466
Size:	74.1 KB
ID:	3613  
Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal Reply With Quote
  #165 (permalink)
 
Hapster's Avatar
 Hapster 
San Diego, California
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: NinjaTrader, Felton
Trading: CL, GC
Posts: 141 since Aug 2009
Thanks Given: 40
Thanks Received: 81

Agree on the head-exploding feeling. There's so much in each chapter that it's almost mind boggling. Just started reading it yesterday. Took about an hour and a half just to "skim" the first chapter. I did, however, get a lot out of Chapter 11 (The First Hour). I tend to skip around when reading books and never really go from Chapter 1 to the end of a book consecutively. It's going to take a LONG time to digest all the material in this thing. One good thing about reading this book yesterday for today was that it made me think about NOT trading more than trading. Got in and out on a scalp this morning, went to work out with the wife, and then caught about 10 ES points in that last hour today. SCHWEET spreadsheet signal on the short side around 12:10 PST. Can't agree that I'm going to trade COMPLETELY without indicators LOL.....but I can see his point.

H

Follow me on Twitter Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal Reply With Quote
  #166 (permalink)
 
websouth's Avatar
 websouth 
Perdido Beach, AL
Market Wizard
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: graph paper
Trading: The shiny stuff
Posts: 1,209 since Jul 2009
Thanks Given: 1,116
Thanks Received: 1,335

A lot of the H1/H2 or L1/L2set ups look like mini ABC setups as others have said. Here is an example. Got a "doji" after the H2 so should be nervous...? but we have takeoff....let's see what happens. Not the best time of day low volume, etc.




You already had 3 waves so we got a spike down... ouch. You could have snagged a few pips...


Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal Reply With Quote
  #167 (permalink)
 
Mindset's Avatar
 Mindset 
Singapore
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: NT
Broker: ib
Trading: MES
Posts: 365 since Sep 2009
Thanks Given: 90
Thanks Received: 291

blz17 - I have added what I see as H1's on your earlier chart.
As you see they are great in the early stage and then again falter. I notice on the whipsaws though that there is a kind of climax bar before - v wide with a volume bloom so perhaps that should have said 2 leg retrace?

Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	edited chart.png
Views:	361
Size:	172.6 KB
ID:	3626  
Reply With Quote
  #168 (permalink)
 terratec 
Zurich Switzerland
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: NinjaTrader
Broker: IB
Trading: ES, 6E, CL
Posts: 403 since Sep 2009
Thanks Given: 64
Thanks Received: 515


cunparis View Post
I love Tom Williams' books, I read Master the Markets and I want to read the one you refer to as I need to read his material again.

If you can, I'd love to see some examples of how you combine the two.

There is a TLB and a possible HL, one of the better patterns.
The volume in the down move is much less than in the up move before from the LL and it is shrinking.
So H could be a safe entry.

And when watching it bar by (volume)bar you could see even more.

Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	22.10.png
Views:	350
Size:	28.7 KB
ID:	3634  
Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #169 (permalink)
 
cunparis's Avatar
 cunparis 
Paris, France
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: Market Delta & Ninjatrader
Trading: ES
Posts: 2,565 since Jun 2009
Thanks Given: 1,162
Thanks Received: 2,093

Got an H2 on CL for 9 ticks. (my chart markers are 1 bar early - NT bug)


Follow me on Twitter Started this thread Reply With Quote
  #170 (permalink)
 
cunparis's Avatar
 cunparis 
Paris, France
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: Market Delta & Ninjatrader
Trading: ES
Posts: 2,565 since Jun 2009
Thanks Given: 1,162
Thanks Received: 2,093


And another.

I think this works pretty well with CL.


Follow me on Twitter Started this thread Reply With Quote




Last Updated on September 4, 2020


© 2024 NexusFi™, s.a., All Rights Reserved.
Av Ricardo J. Alfaro, Century Tower, Panama City, Panama, Ph: +507 833-9432 (Panama and Intl), +1 888-312-3001 (USA and Canada)
All information is for educational use only and is not investment advice. There is a substantial risk of loss in trading commodity futures, stocks, options and foreign exchange products. Past performance is not indicative of future results.
About Us - Contact Us - Site Rules, Acceptable Use, and Terms and Conditions - Privacy Policy - Downloads - Top
no new posts