... what page in the book says to use the settlement price for calculating the PVR/OR for the first of the month?

Depending upon where the market settled the previous day, the daily pivot range would either be support(below the close) or resistance(above the close).

Not sure if it matters, but on page 39 first paragraph, he says.....



I don't think it really matters in the grand scheme as to which value is chosen, as long as it is consistent as to the value chosen. But I think KNOWING that the settlement price vs. the close price will differ on the 1st of the month is useful info, particularly with regards to building an indicator around it.

The context with which MF explains, I don't know if he was making a point to differentiate between close and settle? But there is a slight difference at times.

I was asking above about the PVR, as I am creating the indicator, so I was looking for a way to be sure I am picking a consistent number going forward.

But I think KNOWING that the settlement price vs. the close price will differ on the 1st of the month is useful info, particularly with regards to building an indicator around it.

and this is what i mean by you not following the method in its true nature... what page in the book says to use the settlement price for calculating the PVR/OR for the first of the month? I might have missed it... and if I did, I would certainly like to know as I would have to re-evaluate everything without delay..

as an FYI... here are the values from the source(MBF subscribers site) that were to be used for today.. also, please keep in mind settlements for ES/NQ are derived from the full contracts, not using the emini...

as an FYI... here is guidance from the CME on how settlement prices are determined..

https://www.cmegroup.com/market-data/files/CME_Group_Settlement_Procedures.pdf

wow, so you are using the word "settle" to assume that it meant the settlement price... first... whenever he uses the settlement price, which he does in other things.. he stated it clearly... same goes for when he used the true range... I would suggest you give things another read, and read it from the perspective of someone without a clue as to what futures do... sometimes our level of "knowledge" gets on our way of learning new things.

in any event, I gave you the values to calculate todays ranges... those are from his "research" department, not made up by me.. so use those to determine see if you get the same values...

BTW, from the book... the first of the month is usually statistically significant... regardless of which price one uses... so in that we agree... just that we are using settlement/first of month in a different context.. nothing to do with PVR.

OH boy, participating in this thread is becoming tougher than it needs to be. I really don't know where to begin.

The point of talking about the different closing/settlement price the first of the month has nothing to do with what price does at the opening range of the year, or the month. I get your point as you are talking about another part of the book. The point is to be able to pick a value, in some CONSISTENT fashion, so that one could begin to populate various visual aids with it.

To populate these things in NT, one first has to find those values. I.e. is it done with a smaller secondary data series added to the study and assigning a look-back period to find these values with MIN/MAX() functions? Is it done simply by using something like "PriorDayHLC()," to get those values? These two questions are rhetorical btw.

As to whatever the hell MF had in mind as to which value to use, I don't know? As I mentioned earlier, I don't think it matters anyway. We are talking about a discretionary method, where the difference in a pivot zone might be off by a few tics, no two dudes are going to trade or see it the same way, so really what difference does it make? Especially given how inaccurate a way it is to measure the PVR using floor pivots. Since the point is simply to capture the 'meat of the market,' to establish a bias.

That document does not explain the fair value procedure for the last business day of the month.

The indicator lets you choose the settlement method and you also have the choice between ETH or RTH pivots. MF has only recently switched to ETH pivots, as far as I remember he used RTH in his book.

The indicator produces exactly the same values as I can see on the sheet that you have posted. if it is set to CalculateFromIntradayData and ETH.