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Only trade when VIX is above 13?

last two days I had two losing trades.


both where the VIX was < 13. Not trying to turn this thread into a journal or anything, but ACD requires high amounts of volatility.

Do you think it is a good rule to only trade when VIX is > 13? or stupid?


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The webinar wasn't on here it was on some other site. I think it was called traders exclusive but I'm not sure.

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Oh great, I just read the whole book.......thinking it is a useful system.


What is so different to todays futures markets compared the 2001 era


Thanks for the heads up though..... I am attempting a manual backtest in excel.


I am assuming that webinar is only available to the "elite" members?

Still a worthwhile book to read even though the system may not work as it once did. You just have to adapt it to today's market.

I think the big change in the market since this book was written is HFT's and the markets moves much quicker than they once did.

I think a lot of the floor traders (and floor traders who made the transition to electronic trading) were scalpers and mean reversion type traders. Both of these methods are presently very difficult on an intraday basis. Hence, on an intraday basis I think the market are much more 'trendy' and move much quicker than in the past. The significant change did not happen until 2009 (in my opinion). I would be interested to know how big Fischers prop group is today?

Finally if anyone has access to the Fischer webinar, I would love to watch it.

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last two days I had two losing trades.


both where the VIX was < 13. Not trying to turn this thread into a journal or anything, but ACD requires high amounts of volatility.

Do you think it is a good rule to only trade when VIX is > 13? or stupid?


You guys are great. This forum in my university.


@budfox,

You are correct .. Mark Fisher's method requires both high volatility and large stops as it is written. I found that a single measure like VIX was not successful in helping with this method since you still have small range days of consolidation in periods of higher volatility.

I could not stomach the low win rate and large stops with this method , so after much tweaking , I abandoned it several years ago.


I do think you can build a tradeable system with an edge using ORB as a guide, but not like it is written in his book and it will rely on some other methods as confluence. It looks like some others on BM's trade ORB with some other methods as confluence.. which is really not what Fisher was doing.. but it appears to work for some.


Best of luck to you,

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What value do you place on the webinars on FIO?

 
and I suppose you guys would think its stupid to trade the ES with such an antique system?

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Interesting to note that I rely heavily on ACD method and while a lot has changed, there are some things in day

trading which have not changed and will never change.

Mark Fisher never said he no longer uses ACD method. He mentioned some adjustments need to be made. I clear through them for one of my accounts and they trade

ACD all day long day in and day out.


Even in the book Fish mentioned that ONLY 100 or so traders out of 1,000 ( do not hold me to this number, I do

not remember exact number) traders he trained on ACD method turn out to be successful.


You may want to check out ACD thread at Elite trader. Type in ACD and you will see all kinds of ACD traders.

Good Luck.

http://www.clever-trading-strategies.com/primer_on_acd_method.html

here is a link of some info on ACD


" I like to use the ACD Methodology when the market is in Vertical Development. It switches me over from a passive nature of fading the market used in Market Profile trading to an aggressive nature of hitting the bids or lifting the offers. Instead of waiting for the market to come to me, I go to it."

Very well written by the author of the link above.

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Interesting to note that I rely heavily on ACD method and while a lot has changed, there are some things in day

trading which have not changed and will never change.

Mark Fisher never said he no longer uses ACD method. He mentioned some adjustments need to be made. I clear through them for one of my accounts and they trade

ACD all day long day in and day out.


Even in the book Fish mentioned that ONLY 100 or so traders out of 1,000 ( do not hold me to this number, I do

not remember exact number) traders he trained on ACD method turn out to be successful.


You may want to check out ACD thread at Elite trader. Type in ACD and you will see all kinds of ACD traders.

Good Luck.

ACD Method Intro

here is a link of some info on ACD


" I like to use the ACD Methodology when the market is in Vertical Development. It switches me over from a passive nature of fading the market used in Market Profile trading to an aggressive nature of hitting the bids or lifting the offers. Instead of waiting for the market to come to me, I go to it."

Very well written by the author of the link above.

Interesting...and you use it to trade CL?

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Interesting...and you use it to trade CL?

I use it to trade CL because of it's VOLATILITY.

ES and other indices were not suitable for ACD method when Book was published and they are not suitable now either.

GC, CL, Silver, Nat Gas etc. are more suitable for ACD method.

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I use it to trade CL because of it's VOLATILITY.

ES and other indices were not suitable for ACD method when Book was published and they are not suitable now either.

GC, CL, Silver, Nat Gas etc. are more suitable for ACD method.

So the instruments you mentioned are more suitable primarily b/c of the volatility?

You know he does use examples in the book where he trades the ES

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So the instruments you mentioned are more suitable primarily b/c of the volatility?

You know he does use examples in the book where he trades the ES

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the precious metals have market participants that are clustered narrow but great depth trenches,

ES and other equity based contracts have market participants that are spread out in shallow depth trenches save for the institutions, which move the markets based on their (MP / market profile) prints, even when they choose to break up their orders into smaller odd lots over time

so the essence of whom is participating comes into the volitility equation more so than what has been the historical representation of volitility, if you can distinguish between those narrow definitions. to some, I just said one equals one; to others I just gave away the essence of what makes one symbol / contract / market tick over another....

hey, what data source are you using to obtain live VIX data?

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