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You all have been so kind to make this ACD a thread I went out and bought the book.
I have one question that I am not understanding, maybe someone can help me, who has read the book.
After a good "A" set up either up or down. How do you enter after the set up is valid. Do you just enter on bar close or is there another entry method or is it up to the trader. Just want to make sure I am not missing something and if I am could someone enlighten me.

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look at my charts from yesterday. After A up was made yesterday, CL pulled back to OR high of 98.52. Thats where i like to get long. Strong A ups/ A downs only happen 30% of the time. CONTEXT is very important.

I lost quite a BIT when i started trading ACD- as i did not had CONTEXT.

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Have not traded today, but I will try to show how the noise bands can be used as an alternative to the ACD breakout concept.

Noise band: Everything inside the noise bands is just noise, that is testing market imbalances without commitment.

Volatility band: The volatility band is based on the range expectation (as average per last 10 and 20 days) for each session.

Noise bands and volatility bands can be used for both ETH and RTH session. The chart below shows how well behaved CL 03-12 was today. You could have taken countertrades off the noise bands, before trading the afternoon breakout and exit, when the volatility target was reached.

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Very Nice. These noise and volatility bands created when? Before market opens or they develop as the day progress?

Before market opens- what do we have in terms of S/R to lean against in terms of Noise and Volatility bands?

I am happy to see you have pivot, pivot range, yesterday H-L-C , IB etc..

How do Fib. confluence zones come into this picture?

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@hector24

That really depends on where the market is at when the point A is confirmed either up or down. For instance, if the the A up point is 100.50 the market may be at 100.80 when its finally confirmed. In that case you may want to hold out until the market comes back a little bit. A ups and downs give traders a directional bias so if you get long at 100.80 and you believe that it is going to be an up day then you are essentially cheating yourself out of ticks.

It think mfbreakout might be able to shed some light as well.

Thank you RW, just trying to make sure I wasn't missing anything.

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Very Nice. These noise and volatility bands created when? Before market opens or they develop as the day progress?

Before market opens- what do we have in terms of S/R to lean against in terms of Noise and Volatility bands?

I am happy to see you have pivot, pivot range, yesterday H-L-C , IB etc..

How do Fib. confluence zones come into this picture?

Noise and volatility bands plot automatically when indicator is applied. The noise level is known, so the noise bands are stable right from the open. The volatility bands move, as you can see. They are attached to the current days low or high, that is

target band high = current low + expected volatility
target band low = current high - expected volatility

I have not added fib confluence here. I use them as support and resistance in a similar way that I would use floor pivots or yesterday's high and low.

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Hi Fat Tails,
How do you calculate your volatility?
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Noise and volatility bands plot automatically when indicator is applied. The noise level is known, so the noise bands are stable right from the open. The volatility bands move, as you can see. They are attached to the current days low or high, that is

target band high = current low + expected volatility
target band low = current high - expected volatility

I have not added fib confluence here. I use them as support and resistance in a similar way that I would use floor pivots or yesterday's high and low.



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MF,
I'll try to post pre-market with you.. I goof off too much in other rms discussing senseless stuff while this gem of a thread is where its at.. Another good day tdy in CL.. I would note that I think with CL, its important to enter at a level where your stops can be behind a level and yet, remain within 10-15 ticks.. In that case, don't even hesitate if its a decent level and is holding..



Tdy's CL trades and the concepts behind them..


2012-01-26_1632 - big_waverider's library

2012-01-26_1643 - big_waverider's library

2012-01-26_1646 - big_waverider's library

http://screencast.com/t/Kw5bm36GoTW


BTW- ES tomorrow may be a volatile day as the piv and 3drp are very tight together.. 3drp=1315.25/1315.50 piv=16.25

Lots of support with congested POC between 07-12.. If we take that section out, it may be significant. However, I suspect it "might" hold and we go higher due to the strong levels under and DAX BO TODAY to the upside on their daily..


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MF,
I'll try to post pre-market with you.. I goof off too much in other rms discussing senseless stuff while this gem of a thread is where its at.. Another good day tdy in CL.. I would note that I think with CL, its important to enter at a level where your stops can be behind a level and yet, remain within 10-15 ticks.. In that case, don't even hesitate if its a decent level and is holding..



Tdy's CL trades and the concepts behind them..


2012-01-26_1632 - big_waverider's library

2012-01-26_1643 - big_waverider's library

2012-01-26_1646 - big_waverider's library

2012-01-26_1714 - big_waverider's library


BTW- ES tomorrow may be a volatile day as the piv and 3drp are very tight together.. 3drp=1315.25/1315.50 piv=16.25

Lots of support with congested POC between 07-12.. If we take that section out, it may be significant. However, I suspect it "might" hold and we go higher due to the strong levels under and DAX BO TODAY to the upside on their daily..

Nice trading Jedi. I really like how you created resistance from Top of profile from 1-13 down to 101.40.

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Hi Fat Tails,
How do you calculate your volatility?
Thx,
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@Jedi:

The volatility targets are calculated from the average daily range over the selected session. In the example as per post #372, the indicator was set to use the average daily range of the floor session for CL 03-12.

The daily average ranges are displayed in the upper left corner of the chart.

average RTH range for the last 10 days: 1.83 points
average RTH range for the last 20 days: 1,74 points
developing RTH range for the current day: 2.08 points

The average ranges are added to the current day's low and subtracted from the current day's high and then show as targets based on the volatility of the previous 10 and 20 sessions.

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pre open 01-27-2012 . 99.20 remains support.

Break above 99.70 with FORCE 101.18 target. Break 99.20 with FORCE , 98.36 Target. To get 101.18, have to cross OR high of 100.24

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pre open 01-27-2012 . 99.20 remains support.

Break above 99.70 with FORCE 101.18 target. Break 99.20 with FORCE , 98.36 Target. To get 101.18, have to cross OR high of 100.24


Long 99.62 out 100.08. waiting to see what happens at OR high of 100.24. Also watching GDP news sell off point 100.50. May try failed A up set up. Above 100.50, it's not stopping till 101.20 or so.


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