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able1236
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Can anyone help me duplicate the indicators are in the Ablesys package?

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I believe Ablesys has copyright and trademark protection on their work. Dont be surprised if none of the good people here aren't willing to break those laws.

Do you have permission from Ablesys to copy their work? I already know that you do not. Pretty much without exception, what your asking for is a crime.

Other than Ablesys themselves, your the 1st trader in memory that values their work enough to want to copy/steal it. Outside of their own ads, I can't recall hearing how terrific they are.

Which naturally brings up the question, since it works so well for you what's wrong with getting their product through normal and legal means? It would pay for itself many times over according to your opinion and experience, right? The only logical answer I can think of is to re-sell their product under a different name. Obviously (I hope) that's quite illegal too.

If you want what they have, pay them.

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I believe Ablesys has copyright and trademark protection on their work. Dont be surprised if none of the good people here aren't willing to break those laws.

Bro, I don't think copyright and trademark protections work the way you think they work. Compare and contrast those protections with patent protections.



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Pretty much without exception, what your asking for is a crime.

Please stop giving legal advice.

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OK my mistake then.
So it IS legal to copy proprietary work without the owners permission?
I learned something if that's the case. Thanks

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I'm not a lawyer and not giving legal advice, but it looks to me like reverse engineering for personal use would only be restricted for anyone who signed a EULA or other agreement specifying such under contract law.

https://www.copperpodip.com/post/is-it-legal-to-reverse-engineer-products

Regardless, seem to recall reading somewhere that this has been done, at least for the abletrend. Not sure about their other stuff.

Edit:

Collaborating on an open forum is likely an entirely different matter as well.

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I think someone on here already did that. Seems to me it was somewhere in the reviews thread for AbleSys. I guess I would wonder why you would want to even use it? I did the trial and it is not profitable as they indicate. Look on YouTube for serenity trading. That guy has used it for years in his room and he posts the results on youtube- not good.

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You're not copying anyone's work if you reverse engineer a trading setup. Those indicators are just a bunch of supertrends set at different parameters. The oscillator is probably the Ultimate Oscillator. Looks the same to me. I marked
the direction.

Attached is a screenshot of their video from September 8. Below it I created their chart just using TSSuperTrend and the Ultimate Oscillator. A few bells and whistle changes in the graphics, but essentially the same.

Learn to reverse engineer setups when you see them. Chances are all the indicators are free. You just have to spend some time looking for them.


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You're not copying anyone's work if you reverse engineer a trading setup. Those indicators are just a bunch of supertrends set at different parameters. The oscillator is probably the Ultimate Oscillator. Looks the same to me. I marked
the direction.

Attached is a screenshot of their video from September 8. Below it I created their chart just using TSSuperTrend and the Ultimate Oscillator. A few bells and whistle changes in the graphics, but essentially the same.

Learn to reverse engineer setups when you see them. Chances are all the indicators are free. You just have to spend some time looking for them.

Thanks. You put clearly what I was trying to think how to write.

Piracy is when you get your hands on something that the author/owner has a right to keep to themselves, such as their actual source code for their program/indicator/gizmo/whatever. But really, it's almost nothing to look at what is on a chart and either see what it is doing, and how it is doing it, or make some guesses and try some things that work or that are good enough.

We don't tolerate piracy at futures.io, but reverse engineering, seeing what something is doing and figuring out how, is perfectly fine. You're not taking anyone's property. You're just looking at a chart and seeing what it does, then thinking about it.

And the simple fact is that there's almost nothing new under the sun, and there really is never a reason to try to swipe what someone has. This stuff is not so rare and precious. We see all the time how people can look at a chart and figure out what is going on, much as you did. You don't even need to know how to write code, just say, "Hmmm, that looks like x," and then try it. Fiddle with it until you like it. You may discover something that is better than the original.

Which also means that looking for, or buying, some fancy indicator/system/doodad is generally a waste of time and money, but that's another story.

Generally, you just need to know what you want to do, and what already exists to do it. Then try it.

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Thanks. You put clearly what I was trying to think how to write.

Piracy is when you get your hands on something that the author/owner has a right to keep to themselves, such as their actual source code for their program/indicator/gizmo/whatever. But really, it's almost nothing to look at what is on a chart and either see what it is doing, and how it is doing it, or make some guesses and try some things that work or that are good enough.

We don't tolerate piracy at futures.io, but reverse engineering, seeing what something is doing and figuring out how, is perfectly fine. You're not taking anyone's property. You're just looking at a chart and seeing what it does, then thinking about it.

And the simple fact is that there's almost nothing new under the sun, and there really is never a reason to try to swipe what someone has. This stuff is not so rare and precious. We see all the time how people can look at a chart and figure out what is going on, much as you did. You don't even need to know how to write code, just say, "Hmmm, that looks like x," and then try it. Fiddle with it until you like it. You may discover something that is better than the original.

Which also means that looking for, or buying, some fancy indicator/system/doodad is generally a waste of time and money, but that's another story.

Generally, you just need to know what you want to do, and what already exists to do it. Then try it.

Bob.

I always reverse engineer anything that I come across which may be interesting or just to prove to myself that it's nothing new. It's like going into the lab to repeat someone else's published experiment. The upshot is that occasionally you may find something useful or interesting. But as you said, there's nothing new under the sun - especially in this business.

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I have purchased the Ablesys indicators. They don't, however, produce an output allowing for proper back testing and automation.

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