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Yesterday, August 5th, Senator Ron Wyden (D-Ore) proposed the Modernization of Derivatives Tax Act . Obviously a proposed bill isn't law (yet) but one of the things in the proposal is the elimination of the 60/40 tax break for futures.

https://www.finance.senate.gov/chairmans-news/wyden-bill-ensures-wealthy-investors-pay-fair-share-in-taxes

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“While working folks pay tax with every paycheck, wealthy investors exploit gaping holes in the tax code to avoid paying tax on profits from their bets on financial markets. It’s a double standard, and we’re going to put an end to it,” Wyden said. “Under my bill, wealthy investors would pay tax on their gains every year—just like working people do.”

Oh the drama... I don't consider myself a wealthy investor but have benefited from the "gaping hole" 60/40, just like other working people do. Another money grab. Thanks for the heads up @SMCJB

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I obviously see what they are trying to do here. The problem with futures is there almost is no such thing as a long term capital gain. You never hold a a contract for a year. You might hold a position for a year but you have to roll it multiple times. Every time you roll it, it resets the holding period. Plus with futures you already are marked-to-market at year end. While the tax rate maybe lower than other investments, nothing goes untaxed for years in futures. Seems like a fair trade off.

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I did.a quick google search and I see Wyden has been trying to push this same bill since at least 2016. I don't know why this is stressing me out, but it is.

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Because now he's Chair of the Finance Committee?

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I stopped following politics on the national level because everything became….extra. There doesn’t seem to be any room for nuance. I suspect the current tax treatment is as good as it is ever going to get.

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I stopped following politics on the national level because everything became….extra. There doesn’t seem to be any room for nuance. I suspect the current tax treatment is as good as it is ever going to get.

Probably so.

I think there is no chance at all that this will pass anytime soon. Congress is very evenly divided and the only way the Dems will get anything through will almost require unanimity on their side, which will not likely happen that easily. This bill may get in, but I think they will have more than enough to worry about without it.

Breathe easy, I think.

And now the disclaimer: I don't have the foggiest idea if anything I think on any political question is right ot not, and I never have.....

But I'm not worrying, anyway.

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And, @SMCJB, shouldn't this all be in the tax thread? I just noticed you posted about the bill there too, and that made me think about this being a split topic.

Is there any reason you can think of why this thread should not be merged into the established tax thread, before it has taken on a life of its own?

Let me know what you think.

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Since this effects finances couldn't they push it through under 'budget resolution' which only needs 50 votes.

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Since this effects finances couldn't they push it through under 'budget resolution' which only needs 50 votes.

That's what I was thinking of when I said they would need all their members. This is still not a slam dunk, to get all the members of any party united on something that is not a major party issue.

Anyway, what do you think about my question on the tax thread?

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