NexusFi: Find Your Edge


Home Menu

 





Long Bonds and NDX


Discussion in Traders Hideout

Updated
    1. trending_up 2,075 views
    2. thumb_up 7 thanks given
    3. group 3 followers
    1. forum 8 posts
    2. attach_file 10 attachments




 
Search this Thread

Long Bonds and NDX

  #1 (permalink)
Failed Trader
Doha, Qatar
 
Posts: 9 since May 2021
Thanks Given: 4
Thanks Received: 8

...not that long ago that the rising long-end seemed to be the problem for NDX... out of the way after the talk-about-talk-about meeting has finally happened...?


Reply With Quote

Can you help answer these questions
from other members on NexusFi?
ZombieSqueeze
Platforms and Indicators
Pivot Indicator like the old SwingTemp by Big Mike
NinjaTrader
Better Renko Gaps
The Elite Circle
NT7 Indicator Script Troubleshooting - Camarilla Pivots
NinjaTrader
Increase in trading performance by 75%
The Elite Circle
 
Best Threads (Most Thanked)
in the last 7 days on NexusFi
Just another trading journal: PA, Wyckoff & Trends
31 thanks
Spoo-nalysis ES e-mini futures S&P 500
28 thanks
Tao te Trade: way of the WLD
24 thanks
Bigger Wins or Fewer Losses?
20 thanks
GFIs1 1 DAX trade per day journal
17 thanks
  #2 (permalink)
 
josh's Avatar
 josh 
Georgia, US
Legendary Market Wizard
 
Experience: None
Platform: SC
Broker: Denali+Rithmic
Trading: ES, NQ, YM
Posts: 6,235 since Jan 2011
Thanks Given: 6,775
Thanks Received: 18,222

Yes, they certainly did seem to like the curve flattening... took away months of steepening in two days (5s-30s shown here).


Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #3 (permalink)
Failed Trader
Doha, Qatar
 
Posts: 9 since May 2021
Thanks Given: 4
Thanks Received: 8


BBG writes unwind of steepening trades... maybe also constrained PMs who must hold bonds moving out of the 5 year into longer ones to try to avoid at least a "direct" hit from the hikes in 2023..?

BBG also quotes participants pointing to improving economy, growth and inflation being good for tech... doesn't fit to the previous narrative of reflation leading to cyclicals outperforming the "new defensives"... so more likely the drop in long-term yields pushing growth stocks...

zerohedge has a piece about recent massive long dealer gamma - I tried to find convincing explanations for yesterday there, but failed... maybe today's moves will shed some light on this

commodities dropping on a curve twist..? - good to know... (or probably just the short-end impacting those, and the flattening doesn't matter..?)

..likely a lot of sqeezing going on with the "whole world" being short UST before... stronger dollar outlook may have enticed some international buying on the longer end..

some pointing to equities continuing to rally historically after (interim...) QE peaks... (...guess due to this coming at times of econ. strengthening and earnings improving..)

...what am I missing..?

Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #4 (permalink)
 
josh's Avatar
 josh 
Georgia, US
Legendary Market Wizard
 
Experience: None
Platform: SC
Broker: Denali+Rithmic
Trading: ES, NQ, YM
Posts: 6,235 since Jan 2011
Thanks Given: 6,775
Thanks Received: 18,222

The "spoonalysis" thread contains a lot of recent discussion on the options tail wagging the dog.

Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #5 (permalink)
Failed Trader
Doha, Qatar
 
Posts: 9 since May 2021
Thanks Given: 4
Thanks Received: 8

Newssquawk's Friday tweet "markets are boring" kinda stood out in my perception and made me pause for a moment.

Do you sense this is a sign of exhaustion?

Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	NDX_1w.png
Views:	66
Size:	75.8 KB
ID:	316079  
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)
Failed Trader
Doha, Qatar
 
Posts: 9 since May 2021
Thanks Given: 4
Thanks Received: 8

..or does the relative stability in spite of recent yield moves confirm the robustness of the longer trend?

Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	QQQ_TLT.png
Views:	58
Size:	56.3 KB
ID:	316080  
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)
Failed Trader
Doha, Qatar
 
Posts: 9 since May 2021
Thanks Given: 4
Thanks Received: 8

(..and XBT back above 40K causing rotation by some momentum-seekers out of NDX into crypto... - with the latter in turn supporting XBT-holding NDX members..)?

NDX_1w



NDX_1m





NDX_XBT




(...RTY doesn't seem to have excited too many participants either, recent four weeks or so..:


NDX_RTY

Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)
Failed Trader
Doha, Qatar
 
Posts: 9 since May 2021
Thanks Given: 4
Thanks Received: 8

"they certainly did seem to like the curve flattening..."


...interesting - today NDX seems to like the steepening... while (I believe) we've already seen the narrative temporarily shifting (back) to growth concerns in Q2.., it wasn't really together with rising longer-term yields...



steepening after perceived likelihood that Fed may be "forced" to tighten "too late" (and hence more aggressively) increased with NFP miss... (and the previously as relatively important considered impact of rising long-term rates rise on growth stocks simply overcompensated by their relative attractiveness in lower growth regime for which perceived likelihood rose with said NFP miss..)..?

Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #9 (permalink)
 
josh's Avatar
 josh 
Georgia, US
Legendary Market Wizard
 
Experience: None
Platform: SC
Broker: Denali+Rithmic
Trading: ES, NQ, YM
Posts: 6,235 since Jan 2011
Thanks Given: 6,775
Thanks Received: 18,222


Failed Trader View Post
"they certainly did seem to like the curve flattening..."


...interesting - today NDX seems to like the steepening... while (I believe) we've already seen the narrative temporarily shifting (back) to growth concerns in Q2.., it wasn't really together with rising longer-term yields...



steepening after perceived likelihood that Fed may be "forced" to tighten "too late" (and hence more aggressively) increased with NFP miss... (and the previously as relatively important considered impact of rising long-term rates rise on growth stocks simply overcompensated by their relative attractiveness in lower growth regime for which perceived likelihood rose with said NFP miss..)..?

At this point, I tend to think -- whatever everyone expects to happen, the opposite will happen.

The 3rd lowest jobs number since the pandemic began (235K) ... they needed 700K - 1M for the taper talk to gain momentum. Everyone thought we would rally, because bad news is good, and awful news is great, right? And of course, high growth like NQ is sure to be even better, right? Well, it didn't work out that way. NQ is doing the best right now though, and I would not be surprised to see a rally into the close, because the sell, like all sells in this market, was early, short lived, and shallow. I got long ES at 22, 25s, and got flat at 33s. The initial selling may have just been using available liquidity to take some profits.

Purely guessing of course. And that's all we can really do. To try and understand all the dynamics is an exercise in futility, but of course we need to understand enough to have the best edge we can.

Reply With Quote




Last Updated on September 3, 2021


© 2024 NexusFi™, s.a., All Rights Reserved.
Av Ricardo J. Alfaro, Century Tower, Panama City, Panama, Ph: +507 833-9432 (Panama and Intl), +1 888-312-3001 (USA and Canada)
All information is for educational use only and is not investment advice. There is a substantial risk of loss in trading commodity futures, stocks, options and foreign exchange products. Past performance is not indicative of future results.
About Us - Contact Us - Site Rules, Acceptable Use, and Terms and Conditions - Privacy Policy - Downloads - Top
no new posts