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Specialize in trading only one instrument

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 oddsgo 
Cincinnati, OH USA
 
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Thanks for sharing the experience you had at Bear Stearns. Would you also consider making another thread containing other stories from your time there? The pro trading world is quite interesting to me. I've only been able to learn about it through the teachers of courses I'm taking but I am always curious to learn more from those who've had first hand experience.

As for trading one market or more, right now I'm finding I do best with just one. I definitely think expansion is possible with more experience and discipline, but right now I'm finding I start to overlook important things or wrongly just assume certain conditions are holding when my attention has to be split between multiple markets.

Sure. I stopped officially stopped working on The Street in the mid-90's, but I'm flattered to be asked to share experiences -- even if they are a bit dated.

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abev
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I know of no day traders, professional or otherwise, who trade only one instrument day after day. I know of many day traders who end up trading just one instrument on any given day; not out of choice, but because they cannot find another instrument that fits their criteria for a good trade. So to answer the second part of your question, to follow a strategy that depends upon one instrument which will give you the correct setups to profitably trade every day all day is unlikely. I'm not sure that qualifies as being "unwise" but I doubt it will allow for Trader Tax Status to be maintained.

To be clear, I know of traders who specialize in just one instrument but they are not day traders. They may not trade for days while waiting for a good setup. These are not day traders by the TTS definition which is what I assumed the question was about.

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 Shmo7 
Toronto, Canada
 
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I have a number of instruments that I watch and occasionally trade, when set-ups are perfect...… but I trade the NQ, day in and day out. I know how it moves and I've become very familiar with its price action.

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 chartmojo2 
Missioul Montana usa
 
Experience: Advanced
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That is a good question and there is no one size fits all Holy Grail answer. Some pro's do specialize in one instrument, or a few. Some specialize in one trading setup, or a few, in one or many instruments. Each trader has to go through a journey to arrive at what suits them; what works for them and what does not. Traders see different things and continue to evolve and see different things over time as well. Opinions are a snapshot in time of understanding and perspective. It comes down to what you "see" in the markets, and how well you execute given what you see and what suits your interests, abilities and psychology/personality.

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Sagal
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Dianoia View Post
Professional traders are, in almost all cases, very specialized in a narrow area (I know, because I traded professionally for many years). The better you know your product, the more likely you are to find an edge (whatever it may be). Every product is different and unless you are on top of all the fine details you will never make money. Once you have proven that you can make money in one product, you can diversify and go wherever the best opportunity is. But until then, and for most people that is years down the road from when you start, stick to one product, and try to make one set-up/approach work. It's very difficult and most people are never able to make this happen.

The mistake many retail traders do is to go from product to product, platform to platform, indicator to indicator... constantly looking for that "secret sauce". The only way to become profitable is to focus really hard on one thing. Its tedious and boring. But trading isn't supposed to be fun. Treat it as a business, not a hobby, and think of it as a puzzle. Don't give up until you have either solved it or feel confident you cannot do it. At that point you can move on to a different approach or decide trading isn't for you.

I like your post.
As a part-time investor/trader even by restricting myself to around 10 commodities, I realized that I missed opportunities so often (almost every day...). The opportunity to say that as this year I want to focus on having a very close look to my portfolio of PM, I'm focusing on mostly 2 MP this year: Silver and Platinum but of course I watch as closely Gold and Platinum and US Dollar Index and US 10y and 5 and 10y TIPS, bitcoins and a whole bunch of economical indicators so on...Fully busy anyway for trading on only 2 commodities...

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 speck 
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A personality type along the exrtaversion - intraversion line comes into play here.

I'm an introvert, so sticking to just one instrument suits me.

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Cooie
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I guess if you have figured out the nuance of more than 1 then it does not hurt. Some products trade similarly, but are currently setup a little bit different setup-wise that it might be preferable to do one than the other, or even in different directions, for example ES/YM. But you have to have a grasp of both and if they operate during the same hours you have to be a pretty good multitasker to keep track.

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ThescalperAnalyst
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Hi, I believe for my very modest experience, that initially focusing on a single max 2 instruments is the smartest choice. Especially if you are a discretionary trader. This allows us to discover the true nature of a market and the internal dynamics that make it up. In this way we are better prepared to handle even the most difficult situations. I now work I am on ym (85%) and es is this is helping me a lot.

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Trentatron
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When I first started with trading I was just on the equities side scanning for stocks. I moved to futures within a few months of that and have pretty much exclusively scalped and day traded the ES and MES since then. I do look at correlated and inversely correlated markets, particularly in the premarket to get a sense of whether the overall market is more risk on or risk off but that is relatively a small part of what I do.

I know of some prop traders who trade large intraday positions and trade a few different instruments simultaneously, paying a lot of attention to correlations and inverse correlations particularly around geopolitical events. I personally just structure trades based on where the market is in the spectrum between extreme trend and extreme trading range and adapt to the market conditions rather than looking for very specific setups or events. There's plenty of opportunities right in the ES and MES throughout the session so I don't look at other things. I make my decisions based on market generated information and want to minimize potential distractions as much as possible. If I were looking to hold for longer periods of time then I'd diversify to a greater extent (probably emphasizing equities and ETFs over futures for overnight positions), likely incorporate some fundamental analysis, and apply hedging strategies when appropriate.

Please excuse my ignorance as this is my first day here and I'm only about two weeks into seriously studying futures (ES specifically), but why trade ES and MES? Is there a reason beyond the contract costs that I'm not aware of? Thank you!

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Trentatron View Post
Please excuse my ignorance as this is my first day here and I'm only about two weeks into seriously studying futures (ES specifically), but why trade ES and MES? Is there a reason beyond the contract costs that I'm not aware of? Thank you!

No problem, my main reason for trading both is that it gives me better ability to manage risk. If the market becomes very volatile and my stop would have to be farther away than usual I trade smaller positions and go for wider targets. I don’t trade them simultaneously, I go between the two based on market conditions. There’s plenty of opportunities every day to structure reasonable trades so I don’t pay attention to other instruments aside from the occasional glances at my quote board to get a bird’s eye view of how the market as a whole is trading. I use different strategies based on the market structure rather than scanning between multiple instruments for particular setups. Both ways can be profitable approaches, this is just how I prefer to trade.

Edit: If you're just getting into futures trading, I highly recommend spending at least a few months in SIM before trading the MES live and then building to trading the ES. MES is much less expensive to learn on than the ES.

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