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Need Help: Urgent Broker Problem (Phillip Capital: NT Brokerage, Edge Clear)

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This has me thinking, and this is off topic of sorts, but does NT keep a log of the trades at all that happens on their software?

Or is it just front (our computers) and back side (Broker)? I'm really curious about this one.

The software keeps a log. "Documents\NinjaTrader 8\log"

If you use a strategy and trace is enable the logs are here "Documents\NinjaTrader 8\trace"

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Likely changing brokers to a more stable/reputable firm. I guess cheap commissions come at a cost

Finding the right broker is naturally a very important thing. But regarding the mention of TradeStation, I do want to mention this:



I created the above thread to solicit more official Tradestation presence in our community, but what has transpired so far in the thread is a lot of unhappy TS members posting their experiences.

Anyway, I do not want to take us off-topic. It is important to choose the right broker. Just make sure you really take time to research said broker as much as possible.

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Hi @AvgTraderJoe,

These are not "ghost" orders. These are orders that are mis-matched. For everyone opening trade, there should be a closing trade in futures unless delivery is involved. So while the opening trades might have gone through or the closing trades might have gone through, the offsetting trade didn't. This leaves the upload partially complete. If platforms don't have both opening and closing trades, then they will show an open position when there isn't one or no position when one should be open. Phillip didn't randomly put trades on people's accounts for the fun of it. Like in all accounting matters, the numbers have to close out. The issue here is they weren't and more trades were put on since then and so on.

I have had to reconcile positions for software (for example, when I was creating trade analysis software). It is a royal pain and it is easy to get it wrong. Phillip is a quality firm. They have their own back-end software and clearly there is an issue that needs to be fixed with it.

Let's be professional give everyone a chance to their job and then traders can make opinions about how they are treated after the fact.

I don't want to get into the terminology here but hey if you want to call orders; that you know weren't placed by you; as mis-matched then so be it.

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I just got off the phone with the NT TradeDesk. Basically, at this point they are making refund requests for anyone that closed out positions they didn't recognize. But they have so many that they are just advising everyone to wait to hear back from Phillip.

Hoping for the best here.

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Hi @AvgTraderJoe,

These are not "ghost" orders. These are orders that are mis-matched. For everyone opening trade, there should be a closing trade in futures unless delivery is involved. So while the opening trades might have gone through or the closing trades might have gone through, the offsetting trade didn't. This leaves the upload partially complete. If platforms don't have both opening and closing trades, then they will show an open position when there isn't one or no position when one should be open. Phillip didn't randomly put trades on people's accounts for the fun of it. Like in all accounting matters, the numbers have to close out. The issue here is they weren't and more trades were put on since then and so on.

I have had to reconcile positions for software (for example, when I was creating trade analysis software). It is a royal pain and it is easy to get it wrong. Phillip is a quality firm. They have their own back-end software and clearly there is an issue that needs to be fixed with it.

Let's be professional give everyone a chance to their job and then traders can make opinions about how they are treated after the fact.

And to be fair these are GHOST orders and not partially filled/not yet closed trades. I was done on Friday at 10AM and shutdown my system.
Sunday's support email show me i was LONG at a price where I DID NOT trade any contracts.

So these ARE GHOST orders.

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This was not mis-matched entries/exits. These are EXTRA orders/positions. In my case I had an entry, and a stop filled, completing a trade. Then a position was still displayed, a ghost position.

If it was a execution pairing issue I would have showed flat, but my per-trade reports would have been way off

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I don't want to get into the terminology here but hey if you want to call orders; that you know weren't placed by you; as mis-matched then so be it.

It isn't quite a terminology thing. The order were placed by the trader. They weren't invented. The offsetting orders to close those trades didn't upload.

I'm not trying to be rude to hijack the thread, but I would like to make sure that people reading this aren't misinformed. There is no evidence that trades are showing up out of nowhere. They are simply not offset with other orders that the trader may have entered and have been filled, but aren't reflected in the various execution feeds.

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And to be fair these are GHOST orders and not partially filled/not yet closed trades. I was done on Friday at 10AM and shutdown my system.
Sunday's support email show me i was LONG at a price where I DID NOT trade any contracts.

So these ARE GHOST orders.

Ok. Without reconciling everything that took place since Wednesday, it is hard to say what happened in your case.

In either case, I completely understand the frustration and I would be frustrated as well. My goal is to inform those who are dealing with this without creating more confusion. Hopefully, your broker is on top of this and can get it resolved.

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It isn't quite a terminology thing. The order were placed by the trader. They weren't invented. The offsetting orders to close those trades didn't upload.

I'm not trying to be rude to hijack the thread, but I would like to make sure that people reading this aren't misinformed. There is no evidence that trades are showing up out of nowhere. They are simply not offset with other orders that the trader may have entered and have been filled, but aren't reflected in the various execution feeds.

Cheers!

I wish this were the case. But i did grep through all of the trade execution log for the past 20 days and never found a "single" entry/order by those values.
So yes there is evidence that these trades have showed up out of nowhere.

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We will work with Phillip Capital to ensure that none of our customers will be faced with a financial loss resulting from the outage/inaccurate trade data. As of others have posted, give us the patience and time we need to work through this.

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