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Need Help: Urgent Broker Problem (Phillip Capital: NT Brokerage, Edge Clear)

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I just received an updated account statement from Phillips that correctly matches what I had when I went to bed flat.

This morning, I saw I was short 7 micros of ES. This was incorrect, I was not in actuality short but was actually flat. But I did not know this then, so I bought 7 micros to cover. That was my first trade of the day which put me long 7 micros. I did some shorting and covering in the morning, 3 micros short, 3 micros covered. So my net position was 7 - 3 + 3 =7 long micro ES. I confirmed all of this with someone on the order desk at NinjaTrader and just received an updated activity statement from Phillip that correctly matches my account as of last night.

I sold 4 of the micros so am now net long. If I take my current realized and unrealized profit position and add it to the net balance on my statement from last night, it results in the net liquidity value on my computer screen Ninja platform. This is a good sign.

Bottom line: the first trade you made today to close out the erroneous position you saw when you woke up this morning was your first trade of the day. Work backwards from there with your following positions to get your net position.

That's great news @SnakeTrades! I also received an updated statement that shows I was flat last night...and flat right now! I had an inadvertent long on for a bit last night. But I closed it after reviewing my execution log.

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I received this email from Phillips Capital
Have noticed in my 29 years in the market they try to minimize exposure about these kind of events to preserve their client base'
But maybe it was the clearing house of more wide spread than just this broker.
I hope they HONOR your trades....and it gets fixed.
Best,
Robin Dayne

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Dear Customers,
We experienced a system outage yesterday which may have resulted in missing trades during the closing session. Additionally, these trades could also be missing from your 2/4/2020 statement. To remedy this, we will be reissuing a corrected statement shortly today.

The positions in your platform might be incorrect. We will communicate as we have more updates and believe the issue is resolved fully.
We apologize for any inconvenience caused.
Thank you.
Best regards,
Phillip Capital Support Team
[email protected]
https://www.phillipcapital.com/
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So Order Desk emailed me, asked for account number, and just like that I was in a short position with new balance.
I closed the short because my account was up $66.
So basically I have the same account balance now as yesterday.
I called and NT said I was flat, but I emailed again for them to verify because I want it in writing.
I also took screenshots of everything.

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Has this ever happened to anyone where they woke up to a huge gain, by mistake?

Why does it always seem to be a huge loss?

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I have had the experience of telling someone that the position they have that looks like the best trade they have ever made is actually not staying in their account. Believe it or not, the distribution includes wrong winning trades. You don't hear from those guys though.

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My experience last night. Thursday Feb 4, 2021.

Thursday night I opened my NT and noticed that I was long 3 micro NQ on order that I had NOT sent. Up about $700. I closed the 3 positions and was flat.
Next morning I showed about $800 too much in my account.

Then around Noon there was suddenly 3 short positions of MNQ in my Ninja positions and I was down total about $550. I closed that order, and now I show about $200 loss in my account.

I have been taking pictures of my Orders and Executions pages.
Trying to get response from Ninja.

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@EdgeClear regarding taking ownership when you close the erroneous trade, that makes sense and I didn't consider it.

Thanks for pointing it out. I'll edit my prior post so I don't give bad advice.

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I'm a little freaked out right now, so I'll see if I can write coherently...bare with me.

Yesterday morning when I finished my session I was flat. I had closed all my trades and my platform had said I was flat. However...Last night, after my statement had arrived by email, my platform changed from being flat, to being short 3 gold contracts and down a bunch of money. I freaked out and hit the close button on my platform. I called the support desk and told them my issue. They said that they were having problems with their statements and that the statements and positions were erroneous. They also said that if I went home flat yesterday, I should assume I was flat.

BUT I told him I had entered an order for 3 long contracts in order to get flat after seeing my platform and my statement state that I was short 3 contracts. They said they didn't know for sure, but I was probably now net long, even though my platform now said I was flat.

So, after looking at my trade log on my platform, I determined that I WAS flat at the end of yesterday's session and that my trade log now looked like I was long 3 contracts. So I closed out those long contracts, but now my platform says I'm short 3 contracts, even though my trade log reflects that I am now flat.

What a nightmare!

I spoke with the E-trade desk again this morning and they reassured me that If I went home flat yesterday, then I was flat, despite my statement saying I was short 3 contracts. They also said that they had an issue with their order routing software yesterday and they may need to get the exchange involved. I'm not sure what their situation is exactly. I sent them an email hoping someone can explain it to me in writing. At this point I'm unsure if I have an open position, and I'm a little freaked out and don't know what else to do. Any advice would be appreciated.

Be very carefull, This situation appends with InteractiveBroker. I lost near 10000USD$ in two diff time. I closed all my 2 accounts with them after that. First I have all the proof of what append, trade are opened by the system after have closed all my positions for margins, after that the qty in the system not corespond. For all 5 qty RTY opened, the system IBKR close 2 for margin requirement but never tell this to NINJATRADER trade closed. When my target are reached NINJATTRADER closed all (5) and this appear flat in the summary. But in fact IBKR opened two on the opposite side. I just the next day after sleeping I open my NINJATRADER to trade I see in my account -4500$ first time, second time -5500$. With all the proof (include data from system) he said the problem we don't support NINJATRADER, and NINJATRADER don't know about the problem with the API between. Finally both compagy pitch the ball together and I lost all with any

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That's great news @SnakeTrades! I also received an updated statement that shows I was flat last night...and flat right now! I had an inadvertent long on for a bit last night. But I closed it after reviewing my execution log.

Great to hear! Hope everyone else impacted didn't do too much damage to themselves when they closed (opened) fake (real) positions unknowingly this morning. Live to fight another day!

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I came to comment on the email I received from EdgeClear's Director of Brokerage Services, but EC already posted it in the thread!

Anyway, thought that was a real class act way of handling it...figuring out who was affected and calling them directly.

That...is the way.

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I came to comment on the email I received from EdgeClear's Director of Brokerage Services, but EC already posted it in the thread!

Anyway, thought that was a real class act way of handling it...figuring out who was affected and calling them directly.

That...is the way.

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