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Stuck in a short position. What to do?

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 theLeprechaun 
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anyway, just let us know what you did and your thoughts after you close.

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Everybody, thank you for your input. Your advice give some light on the options and I feel supported too.
I have closed the trade on 8th of June, almost at the top, over 11k EUR loss. Right now the price is 1000p (5k EUR) lower than it was when I closed, so my timing was terrible. Anyway, like futurestrader71 said, I did the right thing.

Hard lesson learned. Gladly I can carry the loss. I have swallowed it and moved on. Better for the quality of my sleep too

Good trades

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I'm still in the trade, because I'm afraid that the price will drop (like in Feb?).

You a afraid that price will drop ?
I think you hope that price will drop.
Shorts make money when price goes lower and lower ...

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Everybody, thank you for your input. Your advice give some light on the options and I feel supported too.
I have closed the trade on 8th of June, almost at the top, over 11k EUR loss. Right now the price is 1000p (5k EUR) lower than it was when I closed, so my timing was terrible. Anyway, like futurestrader71 said, I did the right thing.

Hard lesson learned. Gladly I can carry the loss. I have swallowed it and moved on. Better for the quality of my sleep too

Good trades

ah, I am sorry for your trouble, good luck to you!

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And I will have to add here, traders should learn from pilots who do not let the plane hurtle down the runway without first having gone through their extensive checklist beforehand. Same as surgeons, anaesthesiologists and any other professionals. Have a detailed extensive checklist on hand before placing the trade and make sure that all the points on the checklist are adhered to.

place a stop above 12915, if we can trade too 11570 then the top should be in with lower target of 10160 may take a few weeks

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sorry didnt see you had closed your position

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You can also use options to hedge against the trade going against you so that you have a predetermined risk.

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And I will have to add here, traders should learn from pilots who do not let the plane hurtle down the runway without first having gone through their extensive checklist beforehand. Same as surgeons, anaesthesiologists and any other professionals. Have a detailed extensive checklist on hand before placing the trade and make sure that all the points on the checklist are adhered to.

I would like to add here, unlike a surgeon, trading is the only occupation that one can make money, and not know what they are doing.
( Been there, and honestly had lost track how many accounts I have blown up over 10.)

The comment earlier that no one can really tell you what to do, is true. It's exclusive to you and your perception, and personality.
To me the real question, in my opinion is not the trade itself, but why are you choosing to do this. What is it that you are learning. It is obvious you have an fear of loosing money. You are not alone with this, but you are going to have to get over it. Loosing is part of the game. The most successful traders do not have this fear.

Consider writing things down. A journal (Ugh). Write down where you are screwing up, an work on correcting these issues. It's a lot like a journey of self discovery. Once you get the idea of what motivates you, on all levels, it will get easier from there.

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Hi

Every single outcome has already been posted, and we all have our personal preferences, However, Every trade that we take, can be labelled as an statistically independent event. Having said so, and having set your perception of the current market trend, what's stopping you for even reversing your position? ultimately the risk will be the same, the cost, is just another broker commission, but again, the risk is just the same. Would the market go with you in this new trade? Nobody knows.

My personal preference is just to lick my wounds and forget about that losing trade and focus in future opportunities. Many people say that neither you catch "falling knives" nor put you in front of a "running train". I rather be in a trade that I am happy with, than to try to forcefully recoup losses. Of course I would be happier if I am in a winning trade.but losses are part of the game.

In this "game", the worse scenario is being taken out of the game, and that could easily happen if your balance drops to a place that you dont want it to be.

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@supa2001 asked a few really good questions. I'm responding here in the thread so that others can benefit. Thanks man.

In my initial response I made certain to mention AVOIDING the pejorative. That is absolutely true, necessary, and one of the massive efforts by @BigMike to maintain a high value forum.

Let me say without offering it as criticism that if you routinely let positions get out of hand you need to check your method and your discipline. Hopium takes more lives than any other trading malpractice. That is not a high horse, its a seat Ive sat in numerous times. Learn from your errors.

The first and obvious choice is to kill the loser little. I get it that some people make a valid point that doing so can easily develop into a limitation...that is also true. I've never applied any formula to it and I believe that the non-algo guys that get to focused on R or some statistical metric are spending too much time analyzing.

Second it is important to distinguish between a planned hedge and a get me out of this shit position hedge. Reacting when it hurts is evidence of a flaw...find the flaw.

Options can create very complex positions, in turn, if you know what you are doing this can be very rewarding. BUT, if you are casual or haphazard in approach or execution there will be someone like me that is happy to take your money. To become acquainted with various characteristics and fundamental options strategies I recommend two texts.

https://www.amazon.com/Option-Volatility-Pricing-Strategies-Techniques/dp/0071818774

https://www.amazon.com/Options-as-Strategic-Investment-Fifth/dp/0735204659/ref=pd_bxgy_img_2/134-7190127-8489109?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0735204659&pd_rd_r=cdbdd570-eb77-400f-af09-5847184c0c93&pd_rd_w=4A7eB&pd_rd_wg=3V8qk&pf_rd_p=4e3f7fc3-00c8-46a6-a4db-8457e6319578&pf_rd_r=KM384QS02CNHXEYZSFBY&psc=1&refRID=KM384QS02CNHXEYZSFBY


So, the actual tactic:

The risk profile of one lot short. In the "price slices you can see how the position responds to changes up and down in price.




Price wheeled down to show position modestly against you:




So, almost 100 handles out this feels like a bad do. You could cover it or you could buy long call in the name or a mechanically correlated name, like SPY. Notice the "Delta" -50, that is what you hedge against....and there are a lot of ways to do it. I wheeled in some more pain....lol



So buy 9 is Dec 300's is a pretty good hedge, but if you look at the risk chart, you are effectively "stopped" at a little worse that $7,000.



Then the idea is to job (trade) that call position, booking profits and adjusting your strike price to gain advantage. You position is "neutral", your losses are limited and defined. However that is a $25,000 call position that will go to zero in 189 days. Your job is to scalp the theta and book profits from neutral till you work it out.

The risk tool on ToS does not link the pricing otherwise I would show scenario analysis.

I hope that helps.

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