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Is Volume Profile worth learning or is it an outdated concept?

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Here is the AUS 200 which has been in a balance from the 16th. June. The value area 6017 -5970 contains the majority of price action during that period , above and below the value area price has been rejected and has rotated across the value area . Two profiles one on the left is just for the balance and the one on the right is for a longer period both has the same area for the POC. and the value area low is a high volume node on the long term profile.
The market balances most of the time, that can been seen on different time frames. I use the 60 and 240 min charts for looking at balances.

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To enter trades while price is in a balance I use the value area high and low to look for a entries

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I wouldn't say it was outdated there are Volume indicators galore. Most all of the trading companies have them.

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Market profile is still relevant if price and volume and time are impoiortant to you
They are to me

The Players change in markets but markets rarely do


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I wouldn't say it was outdated there are Volume indicators galore. Most all of the trading companies have them.

That's what I think. I can't conceive of today's trading without considering the volume profile.

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How do you use TPO or Volume profile when the market pushing new high? Never used VPO but isn't that filled orders?

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I don't think that anything really becomes outdated. Something might work well and then get arbitraged out of the market. Then it becomes what I like to call base. Things that are widely enough known that it is unwise to trade against it, but will ultimately only bring you break even. So perhaps volume profile was an edge at one time, but from my own experience it is only base at this point. It is really good for helping to explain past market action or the current situation, but I haven't found a way to make money using only the market profile.

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Hey traders,

I'm actually a bit confused by this conversation entirely. There seems to be a misunderstanding of what Volume Profiling is. It is being discussed like it is a trading system or indicator. It is neither. It is a way of organizing actual market info. It is just a chart type and a way of looking at price and volume. I don't think it can ever be outdated, because it isn't an edge on its own.

Can candlesticks be outdated? How about P&F bars?

How the VP is used is what can change and must evolve with the market. The most important thing to note about VP is that it lets you see inside of the bar (whatever periodicity that bar might be). It helps you see where participants were interested and where they weren't. It is as simple as that.

I use VP to determine where acceptance and value are and how they are moving along with price. I use it to see what areas dried up and showed no interest. It helps me see when a point of control is about to shift elsewhere in the auction, etc.

Let me know if you disagree and why. I'm here to learn like everyone else.

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Inspired by this thread: I wanted to start this one.

I've been trading for 5 years. It was hard in the beginning to differentiate what is worth learning and what is just empty promises. In the end I found price action and discretionary trading as my way to go. I haven't had a losing month for the last 1,5 years trading the ES.

As I'm always looking for ways to improve I want to find something which complements my trading. For the last few months I see more and more courses and topics about market/volume profile, order flow, dom, delta and footprint charts, etc. It seems like the "new" trend (I know it's been around for a long time).

I'm a pretty sceptical person which helped me so far in my trading journey. I see guys like futurestrader71 and prop firms like SMB offer mp/vp courses and I'm asking myself: Why are those coming up more and more over the last few years? Is it still relevant?

To sum it up: Is it worth to learn volume profile or what can you recommend to learn for a price action trader?


Learning is always worthwhile, especially if it is about something that caught your attention for having many respectable supporters in this business.
Now, if you are successful with the Price Action techniques, I think you do not need to be distracted by other elements like VP, even because, indirectly, you are already negotiating with the impact of the volume on the price action.

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While I've posted here before at that time I myself was not actively using volume family indicators that well. Now I do, here is share of screen that is now "mostly all around volume". Volume is telling me dominant sentiment as well as major areas of price where people were interested. As f17 has very nicely said, its way to "organise information", I'm finding that to be quite true.


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