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Would you share your Holy Grail?

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Such a good observation.

I've always said that phrase "Learning to Trade", something so many wannabe
traders use; implies that before you "learn" you are losing; and then once
you finally "learn to trade" then you're OK.

Obviously, learning something new, never stops. The wise trader
welcomes new perspectives, even though she may be doing pretty
well. A good Trader candidate is someone who accepts that a "quest"
is a lifetime effort.

In fact, it's a perpetual process of perfecting many subskills, not the least
of which are psychological in nature; and all that needs to "come together"
within the mind of the trader.

Not that I think it's spiritual... but consider that "becoming a Master" is a
never-ending quest; which refines a multitude of individual factors toward
a goal... Just sayin'...

[EDIT] having said all of that, I do plan to unleash a Trading Bot; and that
means using specific micro-edges which the Bot is able to execute; and that's
not so much a "human" method of making money, so isn't that relevant here.

hyperscalper

And isn't it so liberating to focus COMPLETELY on the process and forget about 'making money'? What if each trader's goal was "I want to become the best trader that I am capable for becoming" (on the timeframe I like, trading the way I like, trading what I like)?? It would be a completely different experience...and the chances of actually succeeding would go up exponentially, I think. Just focusing on becoming the best version of you, as a trader, as a person, in everything...

You are never in the wrong place... but sometimes you are in the right place looking at things in the wrong way.
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And isn't it so liberating to focus COMPLETELY on the process and forget about 'making money'? What if each trader's goal was "I want to become the best trader that I am capable for becoming" (on the timeframe I like, trading the way I like, trading what I like)?? It would be a completely different experience...and the chances of actually succeeding would go up exponentially, I think. Just focusing on becoming the best version of you, as a trader, as a person, in everything...

I love this ! That's been my approach, which is that the Research and
Development work needs to "solve the predictive problem"; and,
when it does, the Money just flows as a result. [edit] as a "side effect"

So I don't focus on "making money" but on "solving the problem of
prediction" and of keep an "edge" which is based on fairly solid
theoretical grounds.

Over the years, people have said "You don't want to make money"
because I wait so long in the R&D phase. But really, I do want to make
money, but as a result of "solving the problem" and understanding it,
after which Money should flow. If that makes sense.

Unlike Traders who are OK following some rote method, not knowing
Why it works; I have to have a theory behind it, and to understand why
it should work; otherwise, I'm just operating on superstition.

That's why I wrote extremely "custom" indicators; because they are
based on my theories as to What to measure, and Why it should
be predictive.

I want Technical Trading to have a "scientific basis" so I can explain
Why I am expecting what I am seeing; or I'm not satisfied.

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Anagami View Post
And thus the problem is not finding something that works in the market... but rather something that works AND is compatible with one's own personality. Then, I find, discipline comes naturally. In fact, it does not even come into play, as doing the 'right thing' is the easiest thing in the world.

You are so correct about not finding what works in the market . It is what works for you in that market . My problem was starting to look at to many mkts. at one time and never really knowing any of them . As far as a Holly Grail I sure haven't found one over the many years . Now that I am retired I want to trade the London session for awhile and see how that goes .

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I have some great edges in my trading

What are they ?

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Anagami View Post
And isn't it so liberating to focus COMPLETELY on the process and forget about 'making money'? What if each trader's goal was "I want to become the best trader that I am capable for becoming" (on the timeframe I like, trading the way I like, trading what I like)?? It would be a completely different experience...and the chances of actually succeeding would go up exponentially, I think. Just focusing on becoming the best version of you, as a trader, as a person, in everything...

Well said, one of the best statements I've read. Thank You!

I don't want or need you to sell/give me your system, edge, whatever.

But what you posted is yet another piece to the puzzle of growing as a trader and person!

I sometimes (many times) forget it's the "process", not the $$.

Much appreciate the reminder!

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It might be helpful to others if you could devote a thread on the topic at some point, without either giving out things you don't want to or taking on too much for it to be rewarding to you.

It's at least a worthwhile topic. Probably there are as many opinions as there are traders, and of course no one is under any obligation to post anything, much less to divulge things they would rather not. It would also not be on topic for this thread. But it might be something to keep in mind, if it appealed to you at some point.

Bob.

I thank Futures.io for their diligence watching over such things and their care.

What is the way that I should proceed as a new trader? 🤔

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Anagami View Post
And isn't it so liberating to focus COMPLETELY on the process and forget about 'making money'? What if each trader's goal was "I want to become the best trader that I am capable for becoming" (on the timeframe I like, trading the way I like, trading what I like)?? It would be a completely different experience...and the chances of actually succeeding would go up exponentially, I think. Just focusing on becoming the best version of you, as a trader, as a person, in everything...

Which process have you used to become a better trader?
Which speakers or philosophy do you follow?

What actions should I set to next?

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MattATM View Post
I thank Futures.io for their diligence watching over such things and their care.

What is the way that I should proceed as a new trader? 🤔

Something like this might help:

- Learn as much as you can from many sources.

- But also, do not swallow the claims of anyone telling you they have a great "system," which will make you rich and they are willing to sell to you. If they are willing to sell the great system, it's because they make more from selling to hopeful traders than from trading it. This basically is a definition of a waste of your money. (Note: almost all of us have swallowed someone's claims and bought their system at one time or another. Just don't sink too much time and money into these traps.)

- Spend a lot of screen time working with the ideas you find most useful.

- You can "trade" with a simulator for a while, but you will need to experience the reality of taking risk in the market at some point, and learn to manage your own responses to it. Sim trading seems like a good tool, and it is when you get started, but avoiding the reality of risk will hold you back. Once there is money on the line, all the theoretical results of sim go out the window.

- Learn to keep your losses low. There is no more important thing that anyone can tell you.

- Only, repeat, only trade money you can lose without it affecting your personal situation. If you can't just shrug when you have a loss, learning will be harder. If you lose the money that should go to paying the rent, learning will be impossible.

- Have a long-term perspective and try to stay rational with your expectations. There is a reason why not everyone is a billionaire.

Other people may give other suggestions, which may be useful or more useful to you, but I would at least take these to heart.

You may notice that I said nothing about what method of trading you should use. This is deliberate: many work, many don't. Two traders may seem to use the exact same "method," but one may be profitable and the other may not. It's a very individual thing, and what is more important is how you have put it to use and made it your own tool.

And good luck.

Bob.

When one door closes, another opens.
-- Cervantes, Don Quixote
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It's the name that's so attractive. We are mostly lazy creatures. Anything to do with easy money seems to attract us.

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I haven't read every post on this thread but I assume most people here know the story of the Turtles?



In December 1983, renowned Chicago trader Richard Dennis made a bet with a colleague, Bill Eckhart, that he could teach absolutely anyone to master the futures market.



https://traderlife.co.uk/features/lunch-break-reads/the-amazing-story-of-richard-dennis-and-the-turtle-traders/

Late to reply, but this is amazing.

I am thinking of doing something like this irl.

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