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I couldn't bear to watch and bailed after min 24

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  • The virus started in Wuhan
  • It probably came from a bio-lab where a scientist was trying to make a flu so strong even bats would die from it
  • It may have spread from the bio-warfare alb to the live market only a few 300m away
  • Suppressing the info the flu until the first death (~8 Jan)
  • reports are in that the Chinese are cremating the bodies and lying about the body count.
  • quarantines are stringent and too little to late
  • jail-time 7yrs awaits those that non-govt approved info
  • The WHO director receives large amounts of money from the Chinese govt downplays the virus
  • CDC has been refused entry into China until a couple of days ago.
  • 1/2 of the Chinese pop is now under quarantine
  • the Chinese workers have been ordered to return to work
  • Hong Kong closes schools and many ex-pats are leaving to continuing their childrens school studies abroad
  • food hording is adding to Hong Kong pressures
  • The flu can be asymptotic for 14 days and those people infecting others may show no systems making screening by temperature not effective in this period
  • the virus can live many days (9+) on surfaces both hard and soft surfaces - CCP is reported burning currency in heavily infected areas
  • the flu spreads though the air and a sneeze or cough can fill the air with tiny droplets
  • both mask and eye protection are needed
  • The US flies home 14 Americans off the Japanese quarantined ship on a plane with 300 others.
  • Tokyo cancels its enormous annual marathon
  • In Spain a large annual hi-tech conference is cancelled
  • Apple announces delays in iPhone production from Chinese plant
  • Some investment houses forecast GDP slow-downs

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Health officials say the CDC is conducting screening for those landing at one of 11 U.S. airports from China. From there, if a patient shows no symptoms they are self-quarantined at home for self-monitoring with public health supervision.



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Thanks @aquarian1 for the thread. Means some real outcome on the worldwide markets and the countries. Some thoughts about an upcoming recession - especially with the burning acceleration of Corona by today - you may read here:

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Thanks @aquarian1 for the thread. Means some real outcome on the worldwide markets and the countries. Some thoughts about an upcoming recession - especially with the burning acceleration of Corona by today - you may read here:

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I will check out your link.
The coming recession could be awful - far worst than the great depression.

In the Spanish flu video one of the keys was that the first version of the flu wasn't that bad killed a few in Kansas. But the virus mutated. The American soldiers brought it over to Europe and it spread and mutated. Then when it returned to the USA it was much much worse.

It the trenches it killed more soldiers than the enemy and then when it returned it was very deadly

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Italy Update
  • 11 towns, 50,000 people, placed in lockdown.
  • Armed forces and police forces have been mobilized to form an insurmountable "health belt" around contagion areas. Roadblock violators risk up to a 3 months prison sentence.
  • Schools closed in Lombardy, Veneto, Friuli Venezia Giulia, Emilia Romagna, Liguria, and in Trentino Alto Adige regions. Universities closed in Piedmont.
  • Mayor of one of the towns in lockdown says they've run out of coronavirus testing kits.
  • 78 new cases in Italy and 1 new death.
  • Carnival in Venice and all sport and public events in Veneto cancelled.
  • All public and private events, including sport, cultural, and religious events in Lombardy cancelled. Movie theaters closed.
  • More than 40 football matches, including at least 4 Serie A games, postponed.
  • Armani cancels his fashion show today in Milan.
  • Teatro alla Scala in Milan suspends all performances.

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This is live counter. Numbers are from sources like WHO, so they are very under-representative of the true story. But its a good indicator of where we are at in terms of spread and its conversion into Pandemic from Epidemic status.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html


It was around 30k in first week of Feb, around 60 ke on around 14th feb and now its touch short of 80k. Just yesterday morning it was around 78, 800/-, now that number is about 650/- up.

This is very serious trend in rise, there is false sense of security within communities due to low casualty rate against infected compared to SARS but like I said, real numbers are not public so relying on that is not a good idea. Also, we are in phase where its not just spreading from ground zero, there are cases coming to light which have no history of traveling to China or getting in contact with already established carriers, means there is tendency of secondary or dormant spread present.

This is only going to get worse, please take care and adhere to needed precautions.

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I think it will get a lot worse before it gets better. But humans have dealt with since there have been humans.

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1) Yesterday a Alitalia plane from Rome landed in Mauritius (Indian Ocean) after the longdistance flight of 11 hours. A group of 40 Italians living in the virus affected area south of Milan was withheld from disembarking. The customs declared to the group as well as the crew to get back to Italy without leaving the plane or to go for quarantine into one of the two large hospitals for 14 days...

2) 1000 hotel guests in Teneriffa must prolong their stay for 14 days after one guest from the hotel had been hospitalized with Corona virus. This will lead to cancels of booked flights, to chaos for new guests arriving (cancelled as well), affecting flights too. There will be for sure more total stops to many more destinations.
Same for goods by air transport...

3) Turkish airlines cancelled all flights to China from today

4) North Italian Post service has cancelled service of post delivery from tomorrow.

List not ending...

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1) Yesterday a Alitalia plane from Rome landed in Mauritius (Indian Ocean) after the longdistance flight of 11 hours. A group of 40 Italians living in the virus affected area south of Milan was withheld from disembarking. The customs declared to the group as well as the crew to get back to Italy without leaving the plane or to go for quarantine into one of the two large hospitals for 14 days...

2) 1000 hotel guests in Teneriffa must prolong their stay for 14 days after one guest from the hotel had been hospitalized with Corona virus. This will lead to cancels of booked flights, to chaos for new guests arriving (cancelled as well), affecting flights too. There will be for sure more total stops to many more destinations.
Same for goods by air transport...

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Yes, at the start of month India also evacuated our "willing" nationals living in and around ground zero, they all had to stay in 15+ days quarantine before they were released from observation.

I'm not too sure about the goods transport though, I had one parcel coming from JianJiang through HongKong and it came through without any issues, in fact it came in earlier than expected delivery date.

Kind of weird but there should be new policy updates. This delay in reaction is largely fault of WHO and CCP suppressing data. In fact the local Chinese doctor who had originally released video of this has already died due to infection and he was also made to sign a confession of "spreading false rumors and creating public distress" by locale police when he was alive. Way to put everyone at risk, this could've been handled better.

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China decided to disinfect all banknotes, pack them and put them into quarantine for 14 days.
A hercules job. Never ending as long the Corona virus still is around.
Means taking out money from the markets...

Might be copied by other countries soon.
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27 day incubation period......?


https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/news/coronavirus-incubation-period-27-days/

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Well, the good news is that recovered in known patients is higher than recording of new patients. Bad news is its still more than 1k new patients per day. And these are known, I've no problem thinking that there are lot more than this considering effected areas are of dense population.

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Well this is scary: A patient in California who has cornonavirus didn't travel anywhere known to have the virus, the CDC announced Wednesday night. And the patient wasn't exposed to anyone known to be infected.

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Little info video, this doctor runs through his opinion on everyday increase in number of cases across the countries



It is worth watching.

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Thank you for the video. Staying well informed will lead to better decisions.

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A vaccine will be announced soon... this might be the greatest short squeeze of all time. Let's keep our eyes peelled.

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This addition was just "Today"

Now we will know exactly how fast this spreads, India is pretty open as far as media reach goes, so reports should be real as long as patient is at least diagnosed.

This is actually very bad news, majority of these are Italian tourists traveling to India, they have been in India for some time now, meaning spread in Italy is also not small scale. And neither will be upcoming spread in India.

Points of problems,
1. India is super crowded and super polluted, means many people with already weak immune systems and possibly damaged respiratory organs like lungs. Easy targets.
2. India doesn't have nearly as many facilities to run tests as China does, there will be delay in detection. This is in addition to already long incubation period.
3. India also doesn't have enough regulations in place to stop this from spreading. If it goes into triple digits.

All in all, expect huge rise in that number of "new" and number of deaths might also experience huge spike. I hope they do not, but as someone living on ground location, I can pretty much see the ill-prepared and seating ducks everywhere.

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in US ...CDC says 213 total confirmed and presumptive positive coronavirus cases have been reported as of today (113 more cases than yesterday) - Reports 1 additional death (now 11 total deaths) - Source TradeTheNews.com


WSJ article ... How It All Started: China’s Early Coronavirus Missteps
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13:18 (US) CNBC's Javers tweets: " A big question this week has been: who is going to pay for uninsured people to get virus testing? I’ve been asking people in the Administration. The answer, for now anyway, appears to be: the states will pay." - The White House referred me to HHS, where Christy Choi of HRSA issued a statement saying: “The decision of whether or not to charge for novel coronavirus testing is a state decision. However, we do not know of any state public health labs currently charging for testing.” - Source TradeTheNews.com

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Thai Doctors have a promising treatment using HIV Medications in concert with the flu vaccine...very good results even with infected older patients from China.....
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The doctors, from the Rajavithi Hospital in Bangkok, said Sunday that a drug cocktail of HIV and flu medication had worked on several patients, including a woman with severe symptoms from Wuhan, China — the epicenter of the outbreak.
"This is not the cure, but the patient's condition has vastly improved. From testing positive for 10 days under our care, after applying this combination of medicine the test result became negative within 48 hours," Rajavithi lung specialist Dr. Kriangska Atipornwanich told reporters, according to Reuters.
The successful treatment combined the HIV medications lopinavir and ritonavir with large doses of the flu drug oseltamivir.

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Italy has closed the large towns and areas in the North of Italy - including, Milano, Venezia, Parma, Modena, Rimini and more. With this action some 16 milion people are stopped to move - the borders are under control - any activity with some people are forbidden - schools and universities closed - just restaurants may have open from 6am to 6pm.
This situation will last for four weeks from today.

Now the topic has reached sensitive areas in Europe (after Asia) and will hinder economic and other forthcoming for a while. Thus the topic is in the wrong place "OFF topic" as it is now in the center of the stage.

A short film from the center of Milano (German): https://youtu.be/eHNwMF-CcIU

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On a slightly lighter note and how humans act when it comes to push



And here is our good doctor, giving out good info and run down on spread numbers


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Italy now declared the country in total as a RED Corona zone!

Italian Government declared yesterday not only the north of Italy as a red zone without movements but from now on for 4 weeks the total surface of Italy to be under quarantine. Means no travel, school and universities closed, many other restrictions but public transport still running.

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Italy now declared the country in total as a RED Corona zone!

Italian Government declared yesterday not only the north of Italy as a red zone without movements but from now on for 4 weeks the total surface of Italy to be under quarantine. Means no travel, school and universities closed, many other restrictions but public transport still running.

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What worries me is that people are still far too laid back, I've come to know that my country only asks to fill a form on airport and asks "Are you feeling sick?" and "Are you infected with Corona-Virus?"

Obviously people are going to answer honestly, and they are going to walk all over the land filled with crowd of people.

In shadows my government has asked pharma companies to stockpile some 26+ antibiotics, but in public no one is really doing anything. People think wearing masks and things like that are "joke", they even justify with reasoning like "we never wore that thing before, it wont make any difference". Hilarious!!!!

People are also forgetting about something, usually flue related viruses go into bit of downslide with arrival of summer but they often come back stronger after summer, so while we might be entering summer, its not necessarily end of the virus if you are not working on vaccines. So Mr. Trumphet, just summer wont beat the Corona, get your act together. China was doing more than million tests per week, in US that number is not even in thousands since the start of spread. That's huge disparity even if we consider Chinese numbers bullshit.

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The virus is only dangerous to the elderly and / or those with pre-existing illnesses, so most people who don't fall into those risk categories aren't too concerned about getting it. The biggest risk, however, is that medical resources become strained.

It does not take long for a local outbreak or cluster to overwhelm hospitals. We have seen this already in China and Italy.

In Germany there are just under 1,300 confirmed cases and only 2 deaths.
In South Korea there are over 7,500 confirmed cases and 54 deaths.
In Italy there are over 9,000 confirmed cases and 463 deaths, a substantially higher death rate.

In Germany, there are 8 hospital beds per 1000 people
In South Korea, there are 12 hospital beds per 1000 people
In Italy there are only 3.2 beds per 1000 people

The United States, meanwhile, only has 2.8 hospital beds per 1000 people, and America also has a much higher prevalence of diabetes and heart disease than Germany, Korea, and Italy. In fact, Korea has one of the lowest rates of heart disease on the planet.

The point is that America is NOT well prepared for this, and if outbreaks grow, hospitals will be overwhelmed and critial care patients will, in some cases not receive the care they need. Therefore, if tests show rapid spread of coronavirus in the U.S. I think that more drastic measures will have to be taken to slow the spread. I believe that the many people still underestimate this risk.

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New announcement from USA to halt every travel from Europe to USA from Friday midnight for 4 weeks!

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"alarming level of inaction"

"lack of vaccine prospects in upcoming months"

This halt of people, money and goods circulation is effectively shaving off half of market gains in last 5 years in my country. Don't see it stopping anytime soon either.

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https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

excellent article with lots of charts explaining the need to stay at home - and why this is already much worse than what you think it is.

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11:51 (US) CDC reports 1,678 cases of coronavirus as of today (up from 1,264 yesterday) - Source TradeTheNews.com

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"wearing masks is probably not the best strategy-unless you are sick"

"pneumonia vaccine does not work on it"

"age group wise death ratio"

"avoid bull claims of some holy medicine working on it"

"stay hydrated and do check on vitamin D safe levels for healthy immune system"

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For first time, active case numbers have overtook resolved cases. Also, there is sharp increase in new cases in last couple of days.

Point to note here is that Chinese numbers are almost stagnated, I refuse to trust them, especially considering what we are seeing in Italy.

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“wearing masks is probably not the best strategy-unless you are sick"

“pneumonia vaccine does not work on it"



"age group wise death ratio"



"avoid bull claims of some holy medicine working on it"



"stay hydrated and do check on vitamin D safe levels for healthy immune system"


Sorry but bold above is 100% incorrect.

Wearing an anti-viral face mask is smart and what I have done when in large groups of people. They have a metal ion layer that kills 99.9% of pathogens.

The real issue, in my view, is people aren’t comfortable wearing them and feel self-conscious. Boils down to a maturity issue when it’s all said and done.



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Where can you get them if at all.


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The real issue, in my view, is people aren’t comfortable wearing them and feel self-conscious. Boils down to a maturity issue when it’s all said and done."
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Wearing an anti-viral face mask is smart and what I have done when in large groups of people. They have a metal ion layer that kills 99.9% of pathogens.

The real issue, in my view, is people aren’t comfortable wearing them and feel self-conscious. Boils down to a maturity issue when it’s all said and done.

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I understand it's your first post.... Congrates! @ProfileTrader

The quote button will most probably become something you use a ton. (I placed my above quote in a quote box.)

My wife bought them at Walgreens on a Sunday a few weeks ago. But, the Walgreens employee told her they get them in on Saturday and they sell out by Sunday.

My wife grabbed the last three boxes, 12 masks total, $4 each. We gave two away so far and I am using one I keep in my vehicle for when I go in a store etc.

Wife's in an at risk group due to her asthma.

So I would try Walgreens Saturday mid morning???????? Call them on Friday......?

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My wife and I were handed masks at a hospital emergency room entrance. We told them we had no symptoms, they still gave them to us. This was in Miami three days ago.
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The quote button will most probably become something you use a ton. (I placed my above quote in a quote box.)

My wife bought them at Walgreens on a Sunday a few weeks ago. But, the Walgreens employee told her they get them in on Saturday and they sell out by Sunday.

My wife grabbed the last three boxes, 12 masks total, $4 each. We gave two away so far and I am using one I keep in my vehicle for when I go in a store etc.

Wife's in an at risk group due to her asthma.

So I would try Walgreens Saturday mid morning???????? Call them on Friday......?

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Thank you for the response and help. I checked the Wallgreens website but they do not list the RespoKare. Maybe only in the store. Will check. Btw for clarity for me .. are they masks $4.00 each or per box. Thanks again.


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The quote button will most probably become something you use a ton. (I placed my above quote in a quote box.)

My wife bought them at Walgreens on a Sunday a few weeks ago. But, the Walgreens employee told her they get them in on Saturday and they sell out by Sunday.

My wife grabbed the last three boxes, 12 masks total, $4 each. We gave two away so far and I am using one I keep in my vehicle for when I go in a store etc.

Wife's in an at risk group due to her asthma.

So I would try Walgreens Saturday mid morning???????? Call them on Friday......?

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Thank you for the response and help. I checked the Wallgreens website but they do not list the RespoKare. Maybe only in the store. Will check. Btw for clarity for me .. are they masks $4.00 each or per box. Thanks again.


Absolutely.......

$12 per box, 3 masks per box

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Yeah the mask is one way to stay symptom free. It’s not perfect but I would say one would be.......85-90% safe.
Not all air you breathe in will come through the mask ..... some could come from around the side. But not much in my estimations.

Pretty nice of them to give you those.

Would go hand in hand with not touching "stuff" with your hands..... no pun intended (is that a pun....lol) IMHO.

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Sorry but bold above is 100% incorrect.

Wearing an anti-viral face mask is smart and what I have done when in large groups of people. They have a metal ion layer that kills 99.9% of pathogens.

The real issue, in my view, is people aren’t comfortable wearing them and feel self-conscious. Boils down to a maturity issue when it’s all said and done.

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Problem with the mask is that it may protect you from direct air droplets, but it will increase risk of you touching your face to adjust the mask much more. I've wore N-95 mask for last whole year as I live in very polluted/crowded city and travel can be bit of pain, so I can speak from experience here that you do end up touching your face much more than otherwise.That leaves you exposed to more possibility of your contaminated hand touching your face. Please remember that corona virus is not just looking for opening of nose and mouth, its perfectly fine with eyes too.

Also, mask tends to get wet from your own droplets, which also attracts foreign particles to stick on them. So there is good chance that you touching the mask would be act of you touching some contaminated part on the mask from outside.

This is not to say its not safe to wear a mask or you shouldn't, its to say its much better for patient to wear one rather than millions of others, which wont do much in all honestly unless its something which covers everything and you disinfect/clean it regularly.

Also, these aren't really my arguments, these were mentioned in videos made by doctors here, I assume one of the reasons is to avoid creating situation of panic as there are are much more people here than the possible mask supply.

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Doctors opinion: just in case you don't have immediate access to doctor, what to avoid and what to take from conventional drugs to make sure bodies response to invasion is good.

These are for information purpose, not diagnosis or personalized advice as the doctor himself is mentioning again and again

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The best thing that can be done presently is to take yourself out of circulation as much as possible, and to use the social distancing and the handwashing protocols that are being put out to the public.

This article runs a live, simple statistical model that shows the effects of social distancing at different levels of participation. The one that works best to limit the spread within a population (and your own risk of infection, of course) is the one that involves the least interaction with other people, which makes sense if you think about it: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/?itid=hp_hp-...m%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

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The best thing that can be done presently is to take yourself out of circulation as much as possible, and to use the social distancing and the handwashing protocols that are being put out to the public.

This article runs a live, simple statistical model that shows the effects of social distancing at different levels of participation. The one that works best to limit the spread within a population (and your own risk of infection, of course) is the one that involves the least interaction with other people, which makes sense if you think about it: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/?itid=hp_hp-...m%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

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Yes, my country has implemented mandatory close downs on everything, shops, gyms and all. At least in larger cities everything is halted. My entire family is going to stay at home for at least 2 weeks starting today.

This is the best move, thanks for the article link as well.

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The Trump administration will seek to send cash payments directly to Americans.

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Yeah, here in Ecuador:

- All borders closed, not even citizens can enter
- State of emergency, everyone ordered to remain in homes except for essential jobs
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I work as an expat in China and have been here since the start. In reality it was not only Wuhan that were closed even if that area was mandatory from central goverment all Cities have their own Goverment and they more or less used the same teqnuiqe and closed of the Cities. All 1.4 billion people have been in quaranteen i would say and it sure helped alot. Even if this area i am in have not had a case for 28 days evryone still uses masks indoors at work and outdoors and it is still mandatory to evryday disinfect the public areas in our plant and wear masks until otherwise informed by the local authorities and they send inspectors so if you do not follow they will close you down immediately.

I also read that some do not beleive this and that. China has the bigggest social media network on the planet if something happens in spread like wild fire and cant be stopped evryone knows evrything even the street sweeper a nice girl by the way showed me pitcures and texts that had to do with this issue wile i was waiting for a read light to turn green this morning on my bike.

It seems this "not living " RNA molecule ( COVID -19) spreads very easy so use masks and wash your hands and do not touch your face. They mixed chilly water here with handsanatiser then you only touch your face once . he he

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Update Europe

Europe closed outside borders for all non EU citizens by yesterday. Different rules in every country - up to total lockdown for people - means staying at home for 4 weeks.

German car makers VW, Daimler and Opel close parts of their production centers in Europe. Reason: cut part deliveries.

Now it shows what "Just In Time Delivery" means when the economy is struggling. Especially when parts today are coming from over the world. Not just produced in the neighborhood. But risking to halt all productions within days just because some parts are not in the warehouse.

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Coronavirus: - Global cumulative 198,083 (+15,677); cumulative deaths 7,954 (+800) - China cumulative: 81,163 (+46); cumulative deaths 3,242 (+11) - Source TradeTheNews.com

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This just in......


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are reducing production in EUROPE to 0 or near zero.

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Some countries are still laid back, Italy is effectively now EU's testing ground.


On side note, Little surprising and cause of worry is that Pakistan reported 2-3 times more cases in last couple of days, that is one more country with heap load of people and almost no medical capacity of its own. I fear for another Iran to happen there, I also suspect reported numbers to be low as there are usually more Chinese workers present in Pakistan than in Iran due to CPEC project.

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Try https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ instead, not as nice as JHU site but more accurate.

Cool.....

I'm just not totally sure I trust WorldOMeters over Johns Hopkins for accuracy. But I do like data.... the more sources the better ...to a point.

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Here in Manta Ecuador, we had our first two cases Monday, and yet they aren't showing up on that map. I don't trust the reporting
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Here in Manta Ecuador, we had our first two cases Monday, and yet they aren't showing up on that map. I don't trust the reporting

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This is fairly delayed.

This one is also delayed but faster than the one linked above

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

I'm sure countries have launched their own too. Mine is here
https://covidout.in/

And yes, getting numbers accurate would be near impossible.

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Here in Manta Ecuador, we had our first two cases Monday, and yet they aren't showing up on that map. I don't trust the reporting


As LastDino points out John Hopkins is delayed. Germany as of now for example has 11,302, whereas Worldometers already has 11,973

Our World in Data (which uses WHO data) publishes their data at 1000 CET;Geneva time, so has different daily stats to Worldometer which rolls over 0000GMT - so different charts from different sources produce different growth results.

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Manta just raised to 8 cases confirmed by authorities. Population ~300k.

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Yesterday i had some questions since i am in China from a Trader that lives in Parma Italy over skype. He asked about wearing mask and other measures taken and how we have made it overhere and how it is now. I asked him about the situation in Parma, He said the following.

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corect - it is strange we have 8-9% dying.
my sister is doctor
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she told me that she see also 40 yo people dying without haveing an pregression illness

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Here is the world map...US now has over 9k ...world added approx 13k today


and here is Ecuador....JHU has them at 111 with 2 deaths.


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Something scary came out of Italy a couple of days ago:

In one of the two Italian small towns where the epidemic in Italy started (Vo' Euganeo) it was decided to blanket test all of its inhabitants, regardless as to whether they had any simptoms or not.

What they found with the blanket test is that between 50% and 75% of the people infected had no symptoms whatsoever.

The town has more than 3,000 people, so the population sample size is significant.


This has profound implications for the spread of the disease. You and I could be infected right now and not know it.


That's why, until everybody can get tested, in the meantime all the guidance about not touching your face, hand hygiene and social distancing is crucial.

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Some decent news coming out of China:




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Is China a leading indicator for the rest of the world as COVID-19 runs its course?
*FEDEX SAYS CHINA DEMAND HAS REBOUNDED MORE THAN EXPECTED
*FEDEX SAYS 90-95% OF LARGE CHINESE MANUFACTURERS BACK OPERATING
*FEDEX SAYS 65-70% OF SMALL BUSINESSES IN CHINA OPERATING AGAIN

I don't put much stock in the official COVID case numbers, but businesses reopening has to be a good sign.

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China is ruled by CCP, they have very strong interest in making world believe that "They have handled the problem".

I see some conflict of interest here. I would not step foot in China for at least couple of months more.

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"We might have to learn to live in restricted setup for a while- at least till we find vaccine"


On side note, as mentioned in one of the last couple of posts, Pakistan really took off, they went almost 4 times in numbers in last 3 days. This is very bad sign, although China has granted them 4 million USD and some emergency ventilator systems it is not going to be nearly enough to cover for the large scale population. They are unofficially more than 230 Million people and very little to no health care system in place.

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"I like the numbers being where they are". "Hopefully it won't be as bad as some people think it could be". "It's going to be just fine". "The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA"

Countries are aligned to when they had 80-100 identified cases. The US has averaged 38% newly identified cases each day over the last 17 days. Today was 55%, and yesterday 45%. I have extrapolated the average of the last 5 days for each country for the next 7 days. (USA 38%, Italy 14%, France 20%, Spain 23%, Germany 27%).

And if this is wrong... well.... "I don't take responsibility at all"

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I've been reading most of the posts but not sure if this has been asked and answered, or if anybody knows. Under full lockdown like Italy does "the market" still operate? Or do they shut it down? Don't know enough about it too really guess at an answer. I did a quick google search but it seemed to imply that they just put "limits" on as we do.

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I've been reading most of the posts but not sure if this has been asked and answered, or if anybody knows. Under full lockdown like Italy does "the market" still operate? Or do they shut it down? Don't know enough about it too really guess at an answer. I did a quick google search but it seemed to imply that they just put "limits" on as we do.

Thoughts?

Some countries have already exercised closing down of market for day or two, I think it will be different for each country and depending on how bad this gets. Lets assume this is plateau point, then I don't think they will shut it down but if it is not then expect some orders from government to do so, even if fall is controlled there is still possibility of people having to work at the exchanges and other financial outlets wont be able to exercise social distancing and that would go against the basic idea of how we are dealing with this problem.

Hope for best, I do see some shutdowns but it wont be that bad.

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Probably best comparison I've seen so far of Corona and other recent world wide outbreaks. This should take point home why we need to exercise social distancing and reduce the infection and death rates, if we fail to do that we might very well end up with more than what we are imagining right now.

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Thoughts?

It is still open - watch the real time chart of today:



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Any guesses?.......... Come on now................... Think core competencies.... medical equipment ...automobiles

How about have/ask some of these companies from the S&P500 Health Care sector ... to produce ventilators. Genius I know....lol

Agilent Technologies
Abbvie Inc
Amerisourcebergen Corp
Abiomed Inc
Abbott Laboratories
Allergan Plc
Align Technology
Alexion Pharm Inc
Amgen Inc
Anthem Inc
Baxter International Inc
Becton Dickinson and Company
Biogen Inc
Bristol-Myers Squibb Company
Boston Scientific Corp
Cardinal Health
Cerner Corp
Cigna Corp
Centene Corp
Cooper Companies
CVS Corp
Quest Diagnostics Inc
Danaher Corp
Davita Healthcare Partners Inc
Edwards Lifesciences Corp
Gilead Sciences Inc
Hca Holdings Inc
Hologic Inc
Henry Schein Inc
Humana Inc
Idexx Laboratories
Illumina Inc
Incyte Corp
Iqvia Holdings Inc
Intuitive Surg Inc
Johnson & Johnson
Laboratory Corp of America Holdings
Eli Lilly and Company
Mckesson Corp
Medtronic Inc
Merck & Company
Mettler-Toledo International
Mylan NV Ord Shs
Pfizer Inc
Perkinelmer
Perrigo Company
Regeneron Pharmaceuticals
Resmed Inc
Steris Corp
Stryker Corp
Teleflex Inc
Thermo Fisher Scientific Inc
Universal Health Services
Unitedhealth Group Inc
Varian Medical Systems
Vertex Pharmaceutic
Waters Corp
Dentsply Sirona Inc
Zimmer Biomet Holdings
Zoetis Inc Cl A

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Ron, it's not such a stretch, the below is from Elon Musks twitter

"Tesla makes cars with sophisticated hvac systems. SpaceX makes spacecraft with life support systems. Ventilators are not difficult, but cannot be produced instantly. Which hospitals have these shortages you speak of right now?"

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Good point.

But I ask... who is better suited to understand the patient's needs? A Health Care company or an automaker?

My wife (of 28yrs) has been in Health Care for 20 years. Director level. Health Care is a very nuanced field. The learning curve for GM is going to be extremely steep and they are going to make mistakes....costing time....something that is in short supply currently. Am I wrong?

Everybody loves to think Health Care is this big cash cow that somehow don't deserve their profits and all crazy mad at health care costs pointing fingers accusing them of ripping off the public....until they get sick.... then they are super grateful for this amazing industry that creates genius molecules and therapies. And it's so easy, any other field, say autoworkers, can whip out patient centered products with zero experience.

I think it is foolish when extraordinarily qualified people/companies that know the patients, aren't even brought into the discussion or asked to help.

Lets hope I'm wrong.........

I'm not saying these are not highly qualified engineers (at GM, Elon). Just that knowing the patient is what health care is all about. I love Elon. What a gift to humanity he is. Doesn't mean he has the skills or knowledge that cater best to the patient.

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