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As anxiety over new, reportedly more contagious, strains of COVID builds around the world - and with it the spread of travel blockades for British travelers - Japan just went to '11' on the "better safe than sorry" scale by banning all new entries by non-Japanese nationals through the end of January.

The “new” strain was in Brazil as far back as eight months ago and is already circulating the world.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/japan-issues-complete-ban-non-nationals-entry-battle-super-covid-strain

The bill was lambasted by political figures across the spectrum, with conservative MP Fabien Di Filippo labelling it “vaccine blackmail.”

RN leader Marine Le Pen branded the vaccine measure “essentially totalitarian.”

“In a backhanded way, this bill does not aim to make vaccinations mandatory, but will prevent anybody who doesn’t comply from having a social life,” she said.

RN party spokesman Sebastien Chenu called the plan a “health dictatorship,” while centrist senator Nathalie Goulet said the draft was “an attack on public freedoms.”

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/france-forced-postpone-health-dictatorship-vaccine-legislation

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"The science is clear," the letter continued, "that more lockdowns lead to much more non COVID morbidity and mortality... Public policy is being based on erroneous assumptions," it added.

A doctor in Northern California has been fired from his job after he co-authored a letter that questioned the science behind his county’s lockdown order.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/california-doctor-fired-after-writing-letter-criticizing-lockdown-orders

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I don't want to downplay covid-19. Although most cases are relatively mild, it's still incredibly unpleasant for those who suffer moderate cases, and can have lingering, longer term effects that none of us would want. So like most of us I'm being careful and doing my best to stay healthy.

But, some perspective is helpful, especially when discussing the merits of lockdowns and other preventative measures.

For example, in the US we now have over 300,000 covid deaths, the vast majority of which are among the very old and those with severe co-morbidities. Yet this number is still significantly below the estimated annual tobacco-related deaths in the U.S.

Per the CDC, "cigarette smoking is estimated to cause ... more than 480,000 deaths annually"
(Source: https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/health_effects/tobacco_related_mortality/)

Worldwide, the death toll now stands at nearly 1.7 million. That's slightly ahead of the number of people who die each year of diarrhea.
(Source: https://ourworldindata.org/causes-of-death)

These numbers would certainly be higher if it were not for the measures being take to prevent the spread. How much higher is obviously very difficult to say. I'm not trying to stoke debate; I just think it's important to keep things in perspective. Somewhere between the alarmists and the deniers we'll find our reality.

Stay healthy out there

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But, some perspective is helpful, especially when discussing the merits of lockdowns and other preventative measures.

Well stated post. Regarding perspective:

Determining how "deadly" one condition is to another is one aspect, but I think the controlling aspect is Medical resource capacities.

The public is generally not being educated about this via the media.

In order to prevent hospitals from filling up with covid patients, and thus preventing victims of other emergencies from receiving prompt and competent medical attention (as well as additional covid patients),

Preventive measures are advised/mandated. To what degree is a different question; one that I did not address here.

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Covid is more about social engineering than it is about a virus which in FACT has a 99.99 percent survival rate. That rate changes with age group as per the data. So I do encourage my 92 year old mother to stay healthy.

One has to ask oneself, if there is a 99.99 percent survival rate, why are people for the first time in history bowing to the fear of covid. Willing to agree with the politicians use of covid to decimate their cities?

The numbers don't add up. Why the fear? It's called propaganda. It's via television and other media.

We all should be asking why is this happening. I've been told by one man, "I believe we should just do what we are asked to do as the government has our best interest at heart".

That sounds just like what some have said to me, " i just do what my doctor advises".

Both can be dangerous and deadly in the long term.

We should use only one metric... The percentage of deaths per 100,000 and the total death percentage.

As of the other day, the death rate in Washington State where Seattle is located, the death rate was 41 per 100,000. That is the same as 1 death per 2439.

So to really understand this perspective, read the following analogy:

" A warrior named Covid was sent out to fight the enemy. When he arrived at the battlefield much to his amazement, he was confronted with not one or two to fight but 2439 warriors. Being the staunch warrior he was, he purposed to do his job. Yes, he did kill one of his enemy, but he was killed in the process. When the battle was over for that day, there were 2438 of his enemy still standing."

So the question is: How fearful do you think those 2439 warriors were when they encountered their enemy. Did they resort to locking down in their homes? Did the commander tell them to stay home and not do their jobs?

While we all pussyfoot around this subject, the following is happening:
Because of a slowdown in commerce because of shutdowns, lockdowns etc. people are going broke, put out of their homes, losing livelihoods and even sense of sanity.

I find that many don't care as long as it is not happening to them.

I could provide all the data there is on the efficacy of masks, they they are ineffective for viruses, but people will just submit to wearing them even to their own peril.

When I go to town maskless, I want to vomit when I enter a store or walk down the sidewalk and see all the masked people. We are now living in an insane asylum.

"Oh but wait, the hospitals are overfilled! The doctors and nurses are exhausted!"
If that be the case, then the need is for more facility not KILLING the economy which keeps us all alive. But mostly this is fearmongering. Seattle built a temp facility for all the cases that they were going to encounter. They ended up closing it down as the patients never came.

Doctors and politicians should dedicate themselves to their perspective careers. Unfortunately, they have successfully taken over the economy and WE are now having to pay for their mistakes.

Each and every one of us are going to pay the price for their actions. You personally may not feel the effects at this time, but it will change society as we know it.

Don't believe any of the above, then go ahead and take your vaccine. See how it makes your life better.

I won't pollute my body with a foreign substance when the current survival rate is 99.99%

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Ps. to parents of children,

Please do not vaccinate your children with the new vaccine. Deaths of children from covid are almost non-existent.

Do as our parents did back in the 50's. They sent the kids out to play in the dirt. Get your kids out of the house. Don't have them use disinfecting hand cleaners.

Expose them to germs. Expose them to nature. Help build their own immune systems.

Stop helicopter parenting. By doing so, you create a weak generation.

Best regards to all.

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I'm glad you found the video (
) interesting.

These two channels :
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/c/ChinainFocusNTD/videos[/yt]
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/c/ChinaUncensored/videos[/yt]
are interesting to watch on a daily basis.

If you do so you see the VAST difference between CCP state media and truth.

One also needs to listen closely in the sense of parsing the words.

For example to your quote:
In the video (min. 3,10) they say that the Liaoning region is under lockdown because the situation is escalating, the reporter says "China reported 80 new cases"

So the key here is "China reported..." The makers of the video are quoting what state controlled media says, but they (the makers of the channel) and anyone who follows the vast difference between the lies of the CCP narrative and reality, understand these people (CCP) are venerate
(long-term habitual) liars.

During January they only reported a fraction of the bio-lab flu deaths. During January they only reported a fraction of the Pooh-bear flu deaths.

They were running crematoriums day and night with over-running the capacity with lines of stacked corpses.

They knew in late Dec that it was contagious and deadly and when a Chinese doctor in ECU reported the problem they arrested and killed him.

Then they told the world it was not transmitted from person to person and the WHO (and their bought and paid for mouthpiece Tetros) said it was racist to ban from China.

China knew it was deadly and had lock-down the entire Wuhan province and stopped travel in china for the lunar New Year (people travel to their hometowns). Their is a large Chinese population in the textile region of Italy. They were allowed to travel to Wuhan during the lunar lockdown and then return home, to Italy. This is the reason Italy was hit so hard and so early.

We don't have the ability to create table of contents in threads on the first page as before - but all of this - and much more - in posted in this thread.

If you have the time (and interest) you can go to the beginning of the thread and read through all my posts to gain insight into this story as it unfolded.

So back to the 80 cases.

It could be 80,000 It could be anything. The real information isn't out. and CCP state media won't ever tell it.

There is a university where they have been lock-in residence for 9 months. The students are going crazy and some ready to commit suicide.

In a country that imprisons people for following a mediation practice and then cuts them up alive and sells their organs to foreigners, tortures and jails, etc. and has a history of lying about every flu they had, pig, bird, SARS etc to expect the truth from the CCP on C-vid is not realistic.

They are masters of propaganda, playing western media, lying, and co-opting influence in countries around the world, in media, in govt in universities etc.

This C-vid never needed to be this bad and spread around the world and if the CCP had told the truth it could have been limited right at the beginning. Part of the CCP -unrestricted warfare- includes death and destruction in western countries including deliberately spreading the virus to damage western economies and lives.

Watch the channels for a while and you will gain more understanding, deeper understanding of the depth of evil and lying of the CCP.

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* Unrestricted Warfare is document prepared by 2 generals of the Chinese military advocating warfare on all fronts without restriction on the west. (military, media/influence, legal, internet, and (I forget the 5th). This publication was met with great acclaim by the CCP.

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Here in this video
govt lying about number of cases
the doctor who was killed for sounding the alarm
Taiwan telling the world about the virus and its ability to spread person to person -3 weeks before CCP
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Of course, preventing hospitals filling up is important, (the initial "flatten the curve" thesis when the R rate was suspected to be 4% in the early days - though now found to be less than 1%) and perhaps you saw what happened to the doctor who wrote a letter questioning lockdowns.

In his letter he highlighted the number of non-cvid deaths caused by hospitals turning away patients due to political prioritization of Cvid.

Earlier in the thread you saw the doctors who were complaining of lack of business at their medical clinic due to the MSM mis-eprestations. There is capacity.

You may have also caught the news of a female mayor who claimed there were corpses lined up only to be later caught out that what she had said was a total lie.

Also you may have noted that there is no science behind lockdowns. The whole concept has never been done before. In pandemics you quarantine the sick (and for Cvid stop visits to old folks homes in the early days until more is known of the disease.

Earlier in the thread you also noted the post showing the number of deaths every year due to hospital visits.

Clearly a logical system interested in safeguarding health and stop the spread would have set up Cvid treatment centers separate facilities. You don't mix in known infected people with those that don't have the disease.

Also you will have noted in the thread that Fauci had the WHO stopped the public wearing masks in the early stages when masks to stop the spread, would have been helpful. Then later when they are not helpful they implement masks and "social distancing".

There was a post on this in this thread with a doctor do a review of mask wearing.

As you know there was no science on social distancing. It is rather farcical that an airborne virus that lingers 30 minutes in the air (indoors), known since earlier January, would be defeated my people standing 6 feet apart, following each other around the store.

Now even the WHO has come out and recommended against lockdowns (except in extreme situations for a very limited time. The number of deaths and illness caused by lockdowns is not spoken of by MSM. Lockdowns hit the poor the hardest and GDP drop of 1% causes (100,000?) additional deaths.


The Governor of California issued lockdowns based on ICU capacity. The 15% capacity he quoted as justification for lockdowns is the norm for ICUs in California.

The doctor who wrote the letter was terminated from his position the next day. This is not a scientific approach it is censorship.

Sciences doesn't support lockdowns, the law does not (constitution and other).

Actually when one looks at all these factors one can see that health authorities are not working to reduce the impact of Cvid. There is no logic to their approach and science and evidence does not support their actions.

Certainly I agree for some who catch it there can be serious health consequences (especially since the war on HLC and other effect treatments have been suppressed). It is important for everyone to put on their thinking caps use their minds (instead of letting MSM pablum regurgitation govern their thinking.

Proper management on this infectious disease has been thwarted at every turn, and the situation has been made worse.

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Florida, where there is no lockdown or mask mandate you can barely see an increase in the hospitalization level in the Sunshine State from previous years, and the current level appears to be on par with the 2018 flu season, which was more of a pandemic flu than other flus in recent years.

Although the hospital numbers for the fourth quarter of 2020 were about 6%-8% higher than in the fourth quarter of the previous two years, it was barely higher than the first quarters of every year. The reason it is fair to compare to the worst months of previous years is because it has become clear that the flu is gone for this year and that COVID-19 is this year's version of the flu. Thus, with flu cases down 98.8%, it is reasonable to assume that the January census will not grow as it typically does during peak flu season.


source:https://www.zerohedge.com/political/despite-no-lockdownmask-mandate-florida-has-same-hospitalization-rate-2018-flu-season

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In video

new virus strain more contagious and caused blood clots sudden death 2:11

some elderly dying after taking new Pzier vaccine (Sweden, Israel, Switzerland) 7:45

elderly and those with health problems not being vaccinated in China




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