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crap my whole reply went..oh well no time to re-type it

1. 300,000 Chinese live in Italy and some brought the China virus back from Wuhan from the Chines new Year (yes when China had locked down - but spreading it to the west A-Ok
2. Tetros definitely slow-walked the pandemic label by 3 weeks - it was in enough countries to justify it
WHO and Tetros are in the CCP back-pocket and do what Emperor Pooh says.

In video
Emperor Pooh pretends to have visited Wuhan (but green screened it)


having followed this from the beginning the only thing the CCP has done is conceal and lie about this right form the beginning. - and arrest and torture the Chinese doctor who was trying to raise the early alarm. He died from it.


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A good read. It has information backed up by data you won’t find reported anywhere else.

https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894

This was taken down by Medium because it was misleading bullshit. It was written by Aaron Ginn, a Silicon Valley technologist who has worked in Republican party politics

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A) (Unless I have misread your text) You accuse the head of the WHO as being corrupt and communist and Chinese that is what I am responding to.

That's not an accusation, there is very real debate going on international platforms and very real cases in Ethiopia about this and this is not just related to corona virus, it is also related to non inclusion of Taiwan as a different country in WHO, which WHO has not on behalf of China. Ones actions declare their alliance.

Besides that Dr. Tedros has very distinctive career of Politician with PTLF, most powerful party in Ethiopia and this particular Dr has been personally involved with many acts against humanity. These are not accusation, he just happens to be favorite man of the dictators who are also pocket buddies of winnie the poo (Mr. Xi), who many people don't realize but is current indirect ruler of pretty much most of Africa.

https://ecadforum.com/2017/04/23/dr-tedros-adhanom-is-an-individual-suspected-of-a-crime-against-humanity/
Read the dates again, this is from 2017. I was especially caught off guard by one paragraph here>>>

The candidate has failed to be transparent by forcing the Ethiopian Ministry of Health to not report and cover up a Cholera epidemic throughout his tenure by simply renaming a deadly epidemic as an Acute Watery Diarrhea (AWD) even after the diagnosis of Vibrio Cholerae was confirmed. His priority in deciding so was to conceal the impact a public admission of Cholera epidemic might have on Tourism and image of his Party rather than protecting the international community and attempting to reach out to the affected areas. Such a sad error due to lack of judgment resulted in a nationwide epidemic.

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2) What have other cultures implemented, to successfully reduce the infections and deaths (so far) and has that worked? Singapore and Taiwan have had huge successes (so far). Why is that?

They were the first to seal the borders along with South Korea, Malaysia even tried to close the stock market. They were more aware of the ground situation than others were, who generally depend on WHO for guidance. This brings to most of your questions about US, their leadership is not exactly considered to be in right place mentally at the moment but as general rule they also waited for WHO guidelines. But you may disagree with that part on your own accord.

Please don't call something "accusatory" unless you are the defenders lawyer, this has no real political or personal benefits to me, as an individual you are free to disagree and that's that. I've considerable research behind my conclusions even if everything is not white and black provable. Drawing those conclusions and publishing them is well within something I should do.

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This is a re-post from somewhere else. I'm sorry for putting up lots of covid-19 posts. I think it is important, and this was the first time I have seen this explained....

Why do we need to shut places where people group?

Remember this: VIRAL LOAD

There will be a lot about this. Why is it important?

With this virus, the amount of virus in your blood at first infection directly relates to the severity of the illness you will suffer. This isn’t unusual - HIV management is all about reducing viral load to keep people alive longer. BUT it’s very important in COVID-19.

So if you are in, say, a pub or religious building or entertainment venue with 200 people and a large number don’t have symptoms but are shedding, you are breathing in lots of droplets per minute and absorbing a high load of the virus. In a crowded space. They become ill over the next 48 hours. You then three days later wonder why you can’t breathe and end up in hospital. You’d decided because you were young and healthy it wasn’t going to be a problem. Wrong.

Fortunately but unfortunately because the elderly are isolating quite well, the initial UK data suggests that all age groups above 20 are almost equally represented in ITUs in England. Most of the cases are in London but the wave is moving outwards.

This means that being under 60 and fit and well doesn’t seem to be as protective as we thought. Why? Viral load.

This may be skewed simply by the fact that too many Londoners didn’t do as asked and congregated in large groups in confined spaces and got a large initial viral load. They then went home and infected their wider families. Which is why, as London is overwhelmed, we need to shut everything down to save the rest of the UK. We are a week at most behind London.

Our sympathies go out to the families affected in London and the critical care teams battling right now to save as many as they can.

If I sit with one person and catch this virus, I get a small viral load. My immune system will start to fight it and by the time the virus starts replicating, I’m ready to kill it.

No medicines will help this process meaningfully hence there is no “cure” for this virus. All we can do is support you with a ventilator and hope your immune system can catch up fast enough.

If I sit in the same room with six people, all shedding I get six times the initial dose. The rise in viral load is faster than my immune system can cope with and it is overrun. I then become critically ill and need me (or someone of my specialty) to fix it instead of just being at home and being ok in the end.

THIS BIT IS IMPORTANT:

If you are a large family group, remember that by being ill and in the same room, you will make each other ill or “more ill”. If you get sick, isolate just yourself to one room and stay there. Don’t all sit in one room coughing. You will increase the viral load for all of you, reducing your survival rate.

A family of six people may produce double the droplets of a family of three in the same space. Maths is important.

If one of you is symptomatic, assume you are all shedding and make sure you keep some space.

Parents are getting it from their kids because no one is going to stop comforting their child (nor should they) so the parent gets a big hit as well as the child. I don’t think that can be helped.

REMEMBER: THINK ABOUT VIRAL LOAD

It could save your life or your child’s.

Coventry and Warwickshire - it’s up to you now. We are preparing for the worst but we are hoping for the best from you. Please help us to help you. Stay home and take this seriously now before we need the army on the streets to remind you. Yes I’m serious.

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I just got caught up on my morning reading of COVID-19 posts, and I am sure there will be more.

I am tiptoeing in here, not as a mod but as someone who has a regard for civility and mutual tolerance and respect.

I have my opinions, and often want to just stand up and shout them.

Everyone is deeply affected by this, and we are certainly all going to be hit, and many totally ruined, by the economics of it. Also, a lot of people have died and are going to die, and it is not just a bad type of flu. This is not exaggeration on either point.

Things can easily spiral out of hand as views are shared, and I am hoping for some restraint. This may be hard, and I have bitten my tongue a few times this morning already.

For example, I am in an age group that is statistically at high risk (not the oldest group, but getting up there ) and so are some others here that I know of. I have a close family member who is not only of that age, but who is taking immune suppressing drugs due to an organ transplant. He will just flatly die if he gets something like this. OK, this is only one guy, and there are only a few old people around anyway, right?.... But somehow I don't see it that way.

So I'm controlling my emotions, and I hope we will all do this, and that we come out of this with as many still healthy -- and alive -- as possible, and that the economic damage is minimized. And that, here on FIO especially, we have respect for those of us who have different points of view. Whether we agree with them on their opinion or not, it makes sense to them.

Again, this is not an official "From Bob the Moderator" post, and also you have no idea how much restraint I had to find in order to keep it on an even emotional keel. Thanks for reading, and keep calm and carry on.

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I just got caught up on my morning reading of COVID-19 posts, and I am sure there will be more.

I am tiptoeing in here, not as a mod but as someone who has a regard for civility and mutual tolerance and respect.

I have my opinions, and often want to just stand up and shout them.

Everyone is deeply affected by this, and we are certainly all going to be hit, and many totally ruined, by the economics of it. Also, a lot of people have died and are going to die, and it is not just a bad type of flu. This is not exaggeration on either point.

Things can easily spiral out of hand as views are shared, and I am hoping for some restraint. This may be hard, and I have bitten my tongue a few times this morning already.

For example, I am in an age group that is statistically at high risk (not the oldest group, but getting up there ) and so are some others here that I know of. I have a close family member who is not only of that age, but who is taking immune suppressing drugs due to an organ transplant. He will just flatly die if he gets something like this. OK, this is only one guy, and there are only a few old people around anyway, right?.... But somehow I don't see it that way.

So I'm controlling my emotions, and I hope we will all do this, and that we come out of this with as many still healthy -- and alive -- as possible, and that the economic damage is minimized. And that, here on FIO especially, we have respect for those of us who have different points of view. Whether we agree with them on their opinion or not, it makes sense to them.

Again, this is not an official "From Bob the Moderator" post, and also you have no idea how much restraint I had to find in order to keep it on an even emotional keel. Thanks for reading, and keep calm and carry on.

Bob.

I understand and as effort to not be bringer of panic I will avoid posting anything panic driven or anything controversial.

We all appreciate your efforts here, I do admit this has turn into bit of spam fest. That's not right for serious topic of this level. I apologies here if I've offended here with my tone, I'm hardly that kind of individual, I'm in all your care

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I understand and as effort to not be bringer of panic I will avoid posting anything panic driven or anything controversial.

We all appreciate your efforts here, I do admit this has turn into bit of spam fest. That's not right for serious topic of this level. I apologies here if I've offended here with my tone, I'm hardly that kind of individual, I'm in all your care

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Controversy is fine. It just means different views get discussed, which they should. It's just a matter of how we do it.

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Thanks.

Controversy is fine. It just means different views get discussed, which they should. It's just a matter of how we do it.

Bob.

I definitely want to be part of the conversation but with an aim an helpfulness not panic...I put LastDino on my ignore list after a few fear provoking posts...I didn't have hard feelings or "dislike" him/her I just have the ability to screen, and take responsibility for, what I allow into my brain. I am a critical thinker and my first thought when i see info is "where is this coming from".

I heard several people the other day talking about the "stupid people" hoarding TP etc (not on FIO) and then a woman spoke up and said "there are no stupid people in this case" just people who are scared and don't know what to do. And I began to have more compassion for them. I have a strong spiritual practice and community and have pondered my mortality extensively. I live with the realization that any breath could be my last...and so I make sure that in that moment I have no regrets or undone stuff. But many many (most?) people never think about these things until something life threatening comes along and are then fully caught unprepared.

So, I agree with Bob. If we are going to be part of this community (and the bigger community at large...and the world community even) then lets recognize the truth..we are ALL in this one together...and that might be the only good thing to come out of this pandemic. Imagine a world afterward if we can remember that fact and treat everyone as we would like to be treated.

Wow, maybe too much coffee...I had NO intention of ranting that much. I hope you and your loved ones are healthy and safe today,
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