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Pfizer-BionTech COVID vaccine
FDA: two participants in the Phase 3 trials have died.

FDA: "severe averse reaction" frequently seen in patients after taking the second dose.

Moderna
In the US, there has been at least one other trial participant who reportedly died not long after receiving the second dose. .
AstraZeneca-Oxford
In the UK, two patients were seriously sickened

Sinovac
In Brazil, authorities briefly halted a trial of Sinovac's experimental COVID vaccine after a participant died.

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Pfizer vaccines are made of messenger RNA (mRNA) and are must be kept at minus-70 degrees Celsius.
Israel has purchased eight million doses of the Pfizer vaccine – enough for four million people.

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he vaccine has been shown to elicit increased local and systemic adverse reactions as compared to those in the placebo arm, usually lasting a few days...

The most common solicited adverse reactions were injection site reactions (84.1%), fatigue (62.9%), headache (55.1%), muscle pain (38.3%), chills (31.9%), joint pain (23.6%), fever (14.2%)

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Severe adverse reactions occurred in 0.0-4.6% of participants, were more frequent after Dose 2 than after Dose 1 and were generally less frequent in older adults (>55 years of age) (<2.8%) as compared to younger participants (≤4.6%). Among reported unsolicited adverse events, lymphadenopathy occurred much more frequently in the vaccine group than the placebo group and is plausibly related to vaccination.

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/fda-confirms-pfizer-vaccine-95-effective-warns-severe-adverse-reactions-after-dose-2

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I'd be worried more about long term effects, which of course might not be known until everyone has received the shot...

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I'd be worried more about long term effects, which of course might not be known until everyone has received the shot...

You should be more worried about the long term effects of having the virus than the vaccine. Especially if it has gotten to your lungs.

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You should be more worried about the long term effects of having the virus than the vaccine. Especially if it has gotten to your lungs.

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Take a look at https://www.stopworldcontrol.com/ we are being lied to and laughed at.

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Take a look at https://www.stopworldcontrol.com/ we are being lied to and laughed at.

Oh please!

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You should be more worried about the long term effects of having the virus than the vaccine. Especially if it has gotten to your lungs.

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I am worried about that too!

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Don't really know what you mean by Oh please!

want to explain ?

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Don't really know what you mean by Oh please!

want to explain ?

I'm not Pa Dax but I went onto that website you posted and I clicked on a random link. I was greeted with


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There is a battle raging for humanity. Dr Carrie Madej reveals how Big Tech collaborates with Big Pharma to introduce new technologies in the coming vaccines, that will alter our DNA and turn us into hybrids. This will end humanity as we know it, and start the process of transhumanism: HUMAN 2.0 The plans are to use vaccines to inject nanotechnology into our bodies and connect us to the Cloud and artificial intelligence. This will enable corrupt governments and tech giants to control us, without us being aware of it.

So I too would have replied with "Oh, please!", and by that I would have meant "how gullible people must be to believe in such nonsense?"

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I'm not Pa Dax but I went onto that website you posted and I clicked on a random link. I was greeted with



So I too would have replied with "Oh, please!", and by that I would have meant "how gullible people must be to believe in such nonsense?"

Oh OK mate. Well seeing as it was a dig at me and you know it all probably without a scrap of research, I'll leave you to it.
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Oh OK mate. Well seeing as it was a dig at me and you know it all probably without a scrap of research, I'll leave you to it.
Bye bye

Not necessarily a dig at you. I don't know you or your beliefs. I am merely providing context to what "Oh please" might mean when referred to a website peddling rubbish to a vulnerable section of society.

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Not necessarily a dig at you. I don't know you or your beliefs. I am merely providing context to what "Oh please" might mean when referred to a website peddling rubbish to a vulnerable section of society.

Fair enough. But why are you saying it's a website peddling rubbish?
Point out what is rubbish.
If you really take a look you'll find that it's full of facts.
What I can't understand is people just taking as unquestionable truth the complete BS that the mainstream media and politicians keep spewing out to us all.

I posted that message just so as people may question things a bit. I am well aware that it may come as a shock at first to look at info on there and even contemplate such. But honestly just take a good look and find things you may have a bit of reality on first. Then make your own mind up. The internet is on fire now with loads of factual data on how much of a scam this CV is, if you know where to look. Censorship is massive now trying to stop it all coming out.
Come on buddy our freedoms are being taken away from us all bit by bit, in case you haven't noticed.

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Dr. Berdine writes:

It seems likely that one will not have to even compare economic deprivation with loss of life, as the final death toll following authoritarian lockdowns will most likely exceed the deaths from letting people choose how to manage their own risk. After taking the unprecedented economic depression into account, history will likely judge these lockdowns to be the greatest policy error of this generation.

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Of all the positive Covid tests of the 9,000+ students at Cambridge University tested in the week to 6 December, EVERY SINGLE ONE was found to be a False Positive after a second test. That's not conjecture, that's Cambridge's own data


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I'd be worried more about long term effects, which of course might not be known until everyone has received the shot...

i haven't posted on this because it seems like crying in the dark, but

The problem with a covid flu-shot it that it directs all the bodies forces at one particular strain. This leaves the person MORE likely to get the second, third strain etc of the virus. Another problem is that other viruses are given less attention and the host (us) is now left with lower defenses to them.

(cancer? other flu etc)

The key is to strengthen one's immune system naturally. A strong healthy immune system (along with a cheerful positive attitude - as opposed to fear) is the best path.

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Professor Raoult is the global expert on infectious diseases and personally treated more than four thousand covid patients with this safe, cheap and amazingly effective drug combo: hydroxychloroquone combined with azitromycine. Virtually all of his patients healed in a short period of time. (1)

In his footsteps followed medical doctors like Dr. Zelenko from New York (2) who healed over a thousand Covid-19 patients, and Dr. Stella Immanuel from Texas who saw 350 patients recover (78) without a single death. All over the world tens of thousands of covid patients recovered rapidly, thanks to this amazing treatment.
Several scientific studies confirmed how powerful HCQ is in defeating the coronavirus, especially in combination with zinc and azithromycine. (3)

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Professor Raoult is the global expert on infectious diseases and personally treated more than four thousand covid patients with this safe, cheap and amazingly effective drug combo: hydroxychloroquone combined with azitromycine. Virtually all of his patients healed in a short period of time. (1)

In his footsteps followed medical doctors like Dr. Zelenko from New York (2) who healed over a thousand Covid-19 patients, and Dr. Stella Immanuel from Texas who saw 350 patients recover (78) without a single death. All over the world tens of thousands of covid patients recovered rapidly, thanks to this amazing treatment.
Several scientific studies confirmed how powerful HCQ is in defeating the coronavirus, especially in combination with zinc and azithromycine. (3)

It's good to see someone else can see what's really going on.

People need to consider that the mainstream media and politicians are capable of lying just as much as anyone else.

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@plongshaw - What I'm questioning is what your motives are in this discussion. You are a member here since 2015 and have never posted anything else than posts in this thread. Why on a traders hideout platform? You are making false claims that I don't even want to discuss. Not because of that they cannot be discussed or proven but more because I have lost all energy to discuss things with people that don't understand or believe science. Science is what has brought our society to the level it's currently at. It's why we're not dying from the simplest deceases anymore and right now, science has developed a vaccin for one of the most deadliest pandemics in recent history in record time. These companies have been researching and investing in RNA technologies so that the foundational work was already done. Combine that with the greatest minds figuring out how to do clinical research not sequentially but in parallel whilst also starting manufacturing work and opening more sites to produce vaccine an you end up with what's possible the largest scientific effort ever done on global scale.

Full disclosure: I hold a grade in Computer Science and I've worked decades in the Clinical Pharmaceutical Industry. For me that means I think I understand what the virus is, does, and how it affects the human body. For you it means I'm one of 'them'

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i haven't posted on this because it seems like crying in the dark, but

The problem with a covid flu-shot it that it directs all the bodies forces at one particular strain. This leaves the person MORE likely to get the second, third strain etc of the virus. Another problem is that other viruses are given less attention and the host (us) is now left with lower defenses to them.

The key is to strengthen one's immune system naturally. A strong healthy immune system (along with a cheerful positive attitude - as opposed to fear) is the best path.

You'd be true on this as every virus mutates as it tries to adapt to the changing environmental parameters. However, COVID-19 mutates very slowly so for this vaccine it's not a real issue when it gets rolled out in 2021. The RNA technology used to build the vaccine can easily be adjusted to any new strains. I'm personally thinking that the covid shot will get a place next to the annual/biennial flu shot going forward. The covid shot for that year will then be adjusted for the current active strains.

On the hydroxychloroquone post, I believe you are wrong. Over the course of the last few months, many studies have shown that hydroxychloroquone has an adverse effect on the early antibodies in the human body thereby worsening the person's natural response to the virus.

Fully agree with you on the final part. An active healthy lifestyle will keep you out of trouble for a lot of things. Almost 40% of all US adults are obese and that needs to change sooner rather than later.

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@plongshaw - What I'm questioning is what your motives are in this discussion. You are a member here since 2015 and have never posted anything else than posts in this thread. Why on a traders hideout platform? You are making false claims that I don't even want to discuss. Not because of that they cannot be discussed or proven but more because I have lost all energy to discuss things with people that don't understand or believe science. Science is what has brought our society to the level it's currently at. It's why we're not dying from the simplest deceases anymore and right now, science has developed a vaccin for one of the most deadliest pandemics in recent history in record time. These companies have been researching and investing in RNA technologies so that the foundational work was already done. Combine that with the greatest minds figuring out how to do clinical research not sequentially but in parallel whilst also starting manufacturing work and opening more sites to produce vaccine an you end up with what's possible the largest scientific effort ever done on global scale.

Full disclosure: I hold a grade in Computer Science and I've worked decades in the Clinical Pharmaceutical Industry. For me that means I think I understand what the virus is, does, and how it affects the human body. For you it means I'm one of 'them'

The reason for posting on this discussion is that I got an Email saying their is a discussion on covid .Didn't realize I wouldn't be able to give my opinion on it also, without people being rude.
It is the first time I have posted and so what exactly? You haven't exactly been welcoming.

Tell you what though, I wont be discussing anything else with you again because you are rude and need to get your big ego under control. You can have my share of the vaccines to if it makes you happy.

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@plongshaw - You have as many rights to discuss on here as any other. I am sorry that I came across to you as rude.
My question was out of genuine interest on why anyone after so much time would get so active on a subject like this - that is all.
I feel indeed strongly about it when rumours, suspicions and false claims are presented as truth.

I hope you get to feel better soon because you come across strongly on this topic. As for me, I will just as others try to do what I can to stop the spread of this virus, mourn our lost ones and try and regain some our lost freedoms via herd immunity. I will appreciate my life more when I get it back fully and I hope you will too.

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You'd be true on this as every virus mutates as it tries to adapt to the changing environmental parameters. However, COVID-19 mutates very slowly so for this vaccine it's not a real issue when it gets rolled out in 2021. The RNA technology used to build the vaccine can easily be adjusted to any new strains. I'm personally thinking that the covid shot will get a place next to the annual/biennial flu shot going forward. The covid shot for that year will then be adjusted for the current active strains.

On the hydroxychloroquone post, I believe you are wrong. Over the course of the last few months, many studies have shown that hydroxychloroquone has an adverse effect on the early antibodies in the human body thereby worsening the person's natural response to the virus.

Fully agree with you on the final part. An active healthy lifestyle will keep you out of trouble for a lot of things. Almost 40% of all US adults are obese and that needs to change sooner rather than later.

1. There are already 3 main strains of Covid
2. 9500 doctors (mostly in Europe) already use HCL+.
There was an earlier post in this thread showing debunking the"study" that claimed HCl didn't work. You should read that post and the Dr review of the media trash (I don't know how to find post easily or I would link to it.

3. My key point is that the the MS media NEVER has posted a list of items for improving/enhancing the immune system. Where are all the talking head experts?
MSM only posts fear and misleading information.

I offer a challenge to you to post a brief list of the items/supplements and activities to enhance the immune system.

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1. Science is what has brought our society to the level it's currently at. It's why we're not dying from the simplest deceases anymore and right now, science has developed a vaccin for one of the most deadliest pandemics in recent history in record time.

These companies have been researching and investing in RNA technologies so that the foundational work was already done.

2. Combine that with the greatest minds figuring out how to do clinical research not sequentially but in parallel whilst also starting manufacturing work and opening more sites to produce vaccine an you end up with what's possible the largest scientific effort ever done on global scale.

Full disclosure: I hold a grade in Computer Science and I've worked decades in the Clinical Pharmaceutical Industry. For me that means I think I understand what the virus is, does, and how it affects the human body. For you it means I'm one of 'them'

That you " worked decades in the Clinical Pharmaceutical Industry." really speaks volumes. though not positively, I'm afraid. It shows where you money thoughts are.
Fat head Fauci, the WHO and so on who has caused such damage and misinformation, have their allegiances to money and profiting off this/

Re 1. Science has allowed the bio-engineering and GAINS of the basic SARs at the Wuhan lab. (the whole story is detail in this thread)
GAINS research - augmenting a virus to make it more deadly is illegal and is part of bio-warfare. When it was found that Wuhan lab was doing this the USA govtcancelled its financial support for the lab as it is illegal to fund this under US law. Fauci worked to get the funding restored. He can't make money off his Moderna vaccine without deaths! Hence is consistent misinformation dissemination. (When masks where important in the early stages (like March) he came out against them.) He is an evil person.

re2. Lots of money in this.
Covid death rate is about the same as the flu and pneumonia each year in most countires
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On the hydroxychloroquone post, I believe you are wrong. Over the course of the last few months, many studies have shown that hydroxychloroquone has an adverse effect on the early antibodies in the human body thereby worsening the person's natural response to the virus.

I think you should post at least 2 of the "many studies" you have claimed.

Most doctors use it in the early stages once a person is determined to have it (covid) and have used it with great effectiveness to cure the person.

note: hcl+ treatment is not recommend for a person with arrhythmia (irregular heartbeat)

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It all about the money.
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"I am NOT a politician
Our group specialists in the field have our 2,000 peer review studies between us
peer review of existing and proven safe medicine.
The nobel winning Ivermectim has worked miraculous healing
People are needlessly dying..

I am deeply troubled
Everything has been about novel and expensive pharmaceutically engineered [drugs]"
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When you watch the video you can see the pain of this doctor watching people die that he could have saved.


This video is an excellent example of the evil of the pharmaceutical industry FOCUS ON PROFIT and MONEY and killing people because of their contempt for life and health.
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I have the same contempt for those who pray to them and puff their chests "I know I am a pharmacist - you are but a worm." Pay up and bow down an pray to us.

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1. There are already 3 main strains of Covid
2. 9500 doctors (mostly in Europe) already use HCL+.
There was an earlier post in this thread showing debunking the"study" that claimed HCl didn't work. You should read that post and the Dr review of the media trash (I don't know how to find post easily or I would link to it.

3. My key point is that the the MS media NEVER has posted a list of items for improving/enhancing the immune system. Where are all the talking head experts?
MSM only posts fear and misleading information.

I offer a challenge to you to post a brief list of the items/supplements and activities to enhance the immune system.

I'm not going to invest the time here discussing all these things. What I want to call upon is that people do proper investigation. That is, look for data (google scholar) that is about double blinded, placebo controlled clinical studies done on larger scale with public results.

Yes there are 3, maybe 4 strains currently but for a virus that is nothing. A standard flu comes in dozens of mutations per year.
My heart still breaks a little when people say this is just a flu or a virus with a death rate of a flu. They are majorly underestimating both flu and this virus. It's also insulting I think to all IC care health workers turning patients all day with 4 people fully outfitted with protective clothing just so that a patient can get a little breath and they have been doing this since March.

HCL is not approved to be administered to COVID-patients in EU. Hydroxychloroquine can cause psychiatric and even Psychotic disorders and suicidal behavior. https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/covid-19-chloroquine-hydroxychloroquine-only-be-used-clinical-trials-emergency-use-programmes and https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/meeting-highlights-pharmacovigilance-risk-assessment-committee-prac-23-26-november-2020

On your major point, I do fully agree! An effective and healthy immune system is what people need cause obese and/or an unhealthy lifestyle majorly increases the chance of severe impact. An improved immune system however is not built up by taking HCL but an immune system is built up over months and years. That's done in the gym, the kitchen and in the outsides. I'd sincerely hope more people coming out of this pandemic take a critical look at their lifestyle, eating patterns and overall health. At least I did.

Unfortunately, I'm going to duck out of this discussion further. I'm extremely busy right now trading and working in the health care sector on this topic and don't feel I have to be the one defending science. I do wish you well @aquarian1. Stay safe out there.

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I am very much against censorship. Servicemen and women have fought and died to defend free speech and democracy. Free speech does not mean you are free to speak but only if what you say is in agreement with me.

In your first post you challenged a poster with "I question of your motives"- a slur against the person. A person does not need to explain their motives to post. Members are allowed to post and encouraged to do so. They certainly do not have to give a reason to post nor be attacked for doing so.

To try to intimidate a poster into not posting because you do not agree with them is a form of censorship. It also discourages others who are timid from posting when they see they can have vague slurs of “I questions you motives”.

In your post to me you claimed
-“many recent studies show there is only one strain” with no URL.
In contradiction to what I had posted of several strains. When I ask for 2 urls of the “many studies” you switched stance and then admitted there are several strains.

So you said I was wrong and then when I asked for some backing on it you backed away.

Earlier in this lengthy thread there I posted about hydroxychloroquine and it being legacy drug and about the false media report being debunked in detail by a doctor (it is in a video).

Now you claim hydroxychloroquine “is not approved in Europe”. Readers will notice the side-step from being an effective sure when used properly to “not approved”.
Whether it is CURRENTLY approved or not in Europe, after fat-head Fauci and USA MSM false reports (so He can make money off a Moderna vaccine) I cannot say - but it is beside the point and hints to politics and profit over helping people.

I asked for a list of everyday steps people can take to booster their general immune system. This request is not that I don’t know the steps but to highlight to the readers you are talking ”above your grade”.

To deflect your lack of knowledge you refer to double-bind placebo trails. These are the standard for showing efficacy of new drugs – now legacy drug of 80 year history. Double bind studies are not done for life threatening conditions. You cannot have people infected with a potentially deadly disease and half given the drug and half sugar water all patients there are being treated for their life threatening emergency care infection. If you had knowledge in these matters you would know this.

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Here are some clipping of interest.

The Media Sabotage of Hydroxychloroquine Use for COVID-19: Doctors Worldwide Protest the Disaster

Media and Big Pharma are in lockstep to suppress a cheap, life-saving Covid-19 therapy in order to reap pandemic-sized profits. The false news that 96,032 hospitalized patients on six continents were at risk for lethal heart rhythms sent shock waves throughout the world. Immediately, many randomized control trials (RCT’s) at the World Health Organization and elsewhere were suspended until the Lancet article was finally retracted two weeks later, June 5.

But the damage was done. The WHO had ordered countries to stop using it, and European Union countries had banned its use (outside clinical trials) for Covid-19 treatment. Clinical trials themselves, such as the NAID trial announced by the US National Institutes of Health on May 14,[iii] were cancelled. A hostile press frightened people from re-entering clinical trials that might have cleared it for use.

Worst of all, newly symptomatic people who had formerly benefitted from early outpatient treatment were now progressing to Phase 2 of the disease, during which the dangerous immune system “cytokine” storm[iv] often leads to hospitalization and death.

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  • Hydroxychloroquine has been used for Malaria for about 80 years
  • Hydroxychloroquine has been routinely prescribed in the California for many years even for arthritis
  • Hydroxychloroquine is used in Europe.


Half of Coronavirus Doctors Have used Hydroxychloroquine ...
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/coronavirus/half-coronavirus-doctors-have-used-hydroxychloroquine-survey -146162
Half of Coronavirus Doctors Have used Hydroxychloroquine: Survey The latest Sermo survey, which was taken between April 6 and April 9, found that of the 1,337 physicians surveyed who have treated ...

The Media Sabotage of Hydroxychloroquine Use for COVID-19 ...
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An April 2020 survey of 6200 doctors in 30 countries showed that globally, half of the doctors polled said they had used hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19. [xxvi] On April 6, wider access to the drug was urged in a petition signed by nearly 500,000 French doctors and citizens. [xxvii]

Hydroxychloroquine-Number Of Prescriptions Explodes In France
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexledsom/2020/05/10/hydroxychloroquinenumber-of-prescriptions-explode-in-france/
May 10, 2020Hydroxychloroquine is an anti-malarial drug also used to treat people suffering from lupus. It is sold under its trader name of Plaquénil in France. Shortly afterwards, President Trump, tweeted the...

Spain will not stop use of HCQ to treat COVID-19 patients ...
https://www.wionews.com/world/spain-will-not-stop-use-of-hcq-to-treat-covid-19-patients-unlike-other-european-nations-301593
Spain has said it sees no reason to stop the use of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) to treat COVID-19 patients even as European governments moved on Wednesday to halt the use of the anti-malaria drug.

Countries that use Hydroxychloroquine may have 80% lower ...
https://wentworthreport.com/2020/08/08/countries-that-use-hydroxychloroquine-may-have-80-lower-covid-death-rates/
Hydroxychloroquine is a 60 year old drug used by millions of people around the world. The wholesale cost is about $5US for a whole month of treatment in Africa. In the US HCQ was approved in 1955, and there are about 5 million prescriptions for it every year for things like Malaria, Rheumatoid Arthritis and Lupus.



Turkey claims success treating COVID-19 with broad use of ...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-covid-19-treatment-turkey/
Turkey using hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19 02:13 Istanbul — Turkey has the biggest coronavirus outbreak in the Middle East, with more than 117,000 confirmed infections. More than 3,000 people ...


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Summary:


  • You have “jumped in” part way through the thread evidently not reading what has gone before (including the information on successful use of hydroxychloroquine).
  • You have slurred a poster with a spurious “I question your motives”
  • If you cared about people’s health and this disease you would have listed the items people can do to protect and blooster their immune systems – which is of course my key point.
  • You have switched ground when asked for support of “many recent studies”
  • You have not posted anything about the Invermicim video above.
  • As Mike said – most people come into the forum to try and prove the other person wrong instead of fruitful discussion.


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and blooster their immune systems – which is of course my key point.

I would love to blooster my immune system, can you post a YouTube link teaching me how to do this?

Just kidding. Everything you said is well said.

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  • If you cared about people’s health and this disease you would have listed the items people can do to protect and blooster their immune systems – which is of course my key point.


All the best with trading.

Saying he "doesn't care" seems like a bit of a "slur" (your word).

BTW he did list some items on how to "blooster" your immune system.

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Saying he "doesn't care" seems like a bit of a "slur" (your word).

BTW he did list some items on how to "blooster" your immune system.

I must of missed what he listed. What were they?
I thought he said he didn't have the time and wanted to disengage from the discussion.

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I would love to blooster my immune system, can you post a YouTube link teaching me how to do this?

Just kidding. Everything you said is well said.

Thanks.

Kidding or not yes I will make a list.

(I don't have a Google account and can't make and post a video but if you are willing to post it on your channel, I could make one. Which software is best for making it?)

I am very worried about those living in fear without access the the information. (I am thinking of two examples of elderly couples, neighbors, who have been pushed to fear by the media and stuck terrified in their homes.

I am very depressed that there does not seem to be any positive replies about the doctor (Kory) pleading for Ivermectim. video. I guess people are so closed minded that they wont even watch a short video.

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Don't mean to hijack this topic since a few replies above me, but since a proven vaccine is not yet widely available, why not try to fight this the other way which is proven to work by my close friends and their families and so on?

So what is it? Increase your immunity through Ayurvedic methods. Make fresh homemade immunity booster drinks, take them everyday, follow all local precautions / measures and you're good to go! Yeah read the last one again - FOLLOW YOUR LOCAL PRECAUTIONS OF STAYING APART AND WEARING MASKS IN PUBLIC PLACES. This drink does not make you invincible, but it does help in defending against unwanted nonsense entering your body.

I will not post YouTube links here unless I am allowed to for this though. Let me know if you want to or not, otherwise I will stay as a silent spectator here. Thank you.

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I am a firm believer of Indian medicice.My wife has all the books and videos of Deepk Chopra. Please send the ingredients of the natural Ayurvedic drink
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Start with your own immune system. Get your blood checked for vitamin and mineral deficiencies by a NATUROPATH not an MD.

MD's are trained and mostly abide in the camp of the AMA which is a distribution arm of the pharmaceutical cabal. Go see the MD's when you have broken your arm, shot in the foot or suffered an aneurism. Do not see them for well being.

Stop using hand sanitizers. Wash your hands with soap and water. Stop using chemical based soaps and deodorants. Filter your water. Use Monkfruit sweetener instead of sugar.

Consume Ascorbic Acid (vit. c) every day.

If you get sick, do an Organic coffee enema and rid the bowels of stored up waste inside your colon. The colon is the HEALTH CENTER of the body.

If your lungs start getting congested, DO NOT stop moving. Go outside and pace yourself with a good walk. Do basic exercises. Take a steam bath. Have a shot of brandy while your at it.

Your Lymph system needs movement for it to function properly . Idleness is injurious to your body. When you move, it acts like a pump for the Lymph system

Take a hot shower then cool off as cool as you can bear it til you feel you have had enough.

Check out Wim Hof on youtube. Think outside the box. Do not rely on a doctor to heal you. Learn by reading and researching and compare remedies. Be a citizen scientist.

Remember that MD's practice at medicine.

They are not all bad nor all good. Twenty years ago, my then doctor, told me that Chiropractic was voodoo. He has since changed his tune.

Why do I believe the above? Well, for 40 years I worked outside in the sub-zero weather and the above 100 deg. F. pounding nails and pouring concrete. Rarely washed my hands. Never after using the porta-potty. Etc. etc. The men that worked for me also had the same habits and still enjoy good health.

Key thing is.... It to keep in motion, get the rest needed and then get moving again!

I learned to employ the things above. Have had no need to see a MD in many decades. Take no meds and have no intention to. I take liquid trace minerals, magnesium, vit D and b12 each and everyday.

Just one man's story. Best to all!

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Don't mean to hijack this topic since a few replies above me, but since a proven vaccine is not yet widely available, why not try to fight this the other way which is proven to work by my close friends and their families and so on?

So what is it? Increase your immunity through Ayurvedic methods. Make fresh homemade immunity booster drinks, take them everyday, follow all local precautions / measures and you're good to go! Yeah read the last one again - FOLLOW YOUR LOCAL PRECAUTIONS OF STAYING APART AND WEARING MASKS IN PUBLIC PLACES. This drink does not make you invincible, but it does help in defending against unwanted nonsense entering your body.

I will not post YouTube links here unless I am allowed to for this though. Let me know if you want to or not, otherwise I will stay as a silent spectator here. Thank you.

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Previously I posted a video about a fellow from Europe who exposed the fallacy of the PRC tests.
1. They weren't meant for diagnosis.
2. Cycles above 25 are meaningless (the article below says above 35+)

He has launched a lawsuit.

The key is the Nobel prize winner who developed the test Dr Kary Mullis, says PCR is not for diagnostic testing.


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"Dr Kary Mullis, who won the Nobel Prize for inventing the PCR process, was clear that it wasn’t meant as a diagnostic tool,


This has all been public knowledge since the beginning of the lockdown. The Australian government’s own website admitted the tests were flawed, and a court in Portugal ruled they were not fit for purpose.

Portuguese Court Rules PCR Tests “Unreliable” & Quarantines “Unlawful” Important legal decision faces total media blackout in Western world. (2)

The WHO finally decided to say this [PRC testing] is wrong. What reason could they have for finally choosing to recognise this simple reality?

[We needed a high false positive tests for lockdowns.=my additions]

We have a vaccine now. We don’t need false positives anymore.

After months of flooding the data pool with false positives, miscounting deaths “by accident”, adding “Covid19 related death” to every other death certificate…they can stop. The create-a-pandemic machine can be turned down to zero again.

After everyone has been vaccinated, all the PCR tests being done will be done “under the new WHO guidelines”, and running only 25-30 cycles instead of 35-50+.

The number of “positive cases” will plummet, and we’ll have "confirmation" that our miracle vaccine "works".


…as long as we all do as we’re told. Any signs of dissent – masses of people refusing the vaccine, for example – and the CT value can start to climb again, and they bring back their magical disease."

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Sars-Cov-2 tests are based on polymerase chain reaction (PCR). PCR works by taking nucleotides – tiny fragments of DNA or RNA – and replicating them until they become something large enough to identify. The replication is done in cycles, with each cycle doubling the amount of genetic material. The number of cycles it takes to produce something identifiable is known as the “cycle threshold” or “CT value”. The higher the CT value, the less likely you are to be detecting anything significant.


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I must of missed what he listed. What were they?
I thought he said he didn't have the time and wanted to disengage from the discussion.


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An appeals court in Portugal has ruled that the PCR process is not a reliable test for Sars-Cov-2, and therefore any enforced quarantine based on those test results is unlawful.

Further, the ruling suggested that any forced quarantine applied to healthy people could be a violation of their fundamental right to liberty.

Most importantly, the judges ruled that a single positive PCR test cannot be used as an effective diagnosis of infection.

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In their ruling, judges Margarida Ramos de Almeida and Ana Paramés referred to several scientific studies. Most notably this study by Jaafar et al., which found that – when running PCR tests with 35 cycles or more – the accuracy dropped to 3%, meaning up to 97% of positive results could be false positives.

The ruling goes on to conclude that, based on the science they read, any PCR test using over 25 cycles is totally unreliable. Governments and private labs have been very tight-lipped about the exact number of cycles they run when PCR testing, but it is known to sometimes be as high as 45.
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I am a firm believer of Indian medicice.My wife has all the books and videos of Deepk Chopra. Please send the ingredients of the natural Ayurvedic drink
Thank you
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Ok, since I got the confirmation from OP, here you go:

https://youtu.be/axQJALayWqI

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Note: This is a post in regards with the info in the post quoted specifically, this is not corona related info and is not claiming to be useful or scientifically factual.


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Ok, since I got the confirmation from OP, here you go:

https://youtu.be/axQJALayWqI

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Please don't drink this if you have or anyone who plans to drink this has an acidity/gas issues. Also, frequency of this should not be on daily basis, otherwise you might start experiencing acidity problems

In my not so educated "opinion", you will be much better served with teaspoon of honey every day
(Assuming you can get good honey from honeybea keepers directly and not the processed company product who add rice syrups or other things n large quantity in it to avoid crystallization).

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^Sorry no flame wars here, but these are all household ingredients. If you want to, try it once a week. This is a very good immunity booster. And this was the reason I was hesitating to post here because of ignorance of Ayurveda works. Thanks.

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^Sorry no flame wars here, but these are all household ingredients. If you want to, try it once a week. This is a very good immunity booster. And this was the reason I was hesitating to post here because of ignorance of Ayurveda works. Thanks.

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Just for fyi, you just called a born and brought up in Indian household "ignorant of Ayurvedic works".

Anyways, you have completely missed the point. So I'll leave it at that.

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Just for fyi, you just called a born and brought up in Indian household "ignorant of Ayurvedic works".

Anyways, you have completely missed the point. So I'll leave it at that.

I wonder if you missed his point? I did not read that he believes you are ignorant but said that other people may be ignorant (unfamiliar) with Ayurvedic Medicine.

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Ok, since I got the confirmation from OP, here you go:

https://youtu.be/axQJALayWqI

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I do something similar and add most/many of these to my tea. Will see about adding some of the others that are mentioned.

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I wonder if you missed his point? I did not read that he believes you are ignorant but said that other people may be ignorant (unfamiliar) with Ayurvedic Medicine.

Thanks for clarifying.

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Just for fyi, you just called a born and brought up in Indian household "ignorant of Ayurvedic works".

Anyways, you have completely missed the point. So I'll leave it at that.

I encouraged him to post his recipe as I am ignorant (that is knowledgeable) of the system of Ayurveda medicine.

"ignorant of Ayurvedic works".

He is talking of the general lack of knowledge of Ayurveda in the general public.
Please do not make people feel on edge about posting.

Whether or not you are brought up in an Indian household is not the point, certainly not all are Indians are deeply knowledgeable of this ancient medicine system.

Please use your knowledge of Ayurveda, find another Ayurveda recipe and then we will have two.


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Co-vid lockdowns are not based in science.
Even the WHO recommends NOT using them as a first resort.

There is a reason for the lockdowns however..

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As anxiety over new, reportedly more contagious, strains of COVID builds around the world - and with it the spread of travel blockades for British travelers - Japan just went to '11' on the "better safe than sorry" scale by banning all new entries by non-Japanese nationals through the end of January.

The “new” strain was in Brazil as far back as eight months ago and is already circulating the world.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/japan-issues-complete-ban-non-nationals-entry-battle-super-covid-strain

The bill was lambasted by political figures across the spectrum, with conservative MP Fabien Di Filippo labelling it “vaccine blackmail.”

RN leader Marine Le Pen branded the vaccine measure “essentially totalitarian.”

“In a backhanded way, this bill does not aim to make vaccinations mandatory, but will prevent anybody who doesn’t comply from having a social life,” she said.

RN party spokesman Sebastien Chenu called the plan a “health dictatorship,” while centrist senator Nathalie Goulet said the draft was “an attack on public freedoms.”

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/france-forced-postpone-health-dictatorship-vaccine-legislation

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"The science is clear," the letter continued, "that more lockdowns lead to much more non COVID morbidity and mortality... Public policy is being based on erroneous assumptions," it added.

A doctor in Northern California has been fired from his job after he co-authored a letter that questioned the science behind his county’s lockdown order.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/california-doctor-fired-after-writing-letter-criticizing-lockdown-orders

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I don't want to downplay covid-19. Although most cases are relatively mild, it's still incredibly unpleasant for those who suffer moderate cases, and can have lingering, longer term effects that none of us would want. So like most of us I'm being careful and doing my best to stay healthy.

But, some perspective is helpful, especially when discussing the merits of lockdowns and other preventative measures.

For example, in the US we now have over 300,000 covid deaths, the vast majority of which are among the very old and those with severe co-morbidities. Yet this number is still significantly below the estimated annual tobacco-related deaths in the U.S.

Per the CDC, "cigarette smoking is estimated to cause ... more than 480,000 deaths annually"
(Source: https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/health_effects/tobacco_related_mortality/)

Worldwide, the death toll now stands at nearly 1.7 million. That's slightly ahead of the number of people who die each year of diarrhea.
(Source: https://ourworldindata.org/causes-of-death)

These numbers would certainly be higher if it were not for the measures being take to prevent the spread. How much higher is obviously very difficult to say. I'm not trying to stoke debate; I just think it's important to keep things in perspective. Somewhere between the alarmists and the deniers we'll find our reality.

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But, some perspective is helpful, especially when discussing the merits of lockdowns and other preventative measures.

Well stated post. Regarding perspective:

Determining how "deadly" one condition is to another is one aspect, but I think the controlling aspect is Medical resource capacities.

The public is generally not being educated about this via the media.

In order to prevent hospitals from filling up with covid patients, and thus preventing victims of other emergencies from receiving prompt and competent medical attention (as well as additional covid patients),

Preventive measures are advised/mandated. To what degree is a different question; one that I did not address here.

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Covid is more about social engineering than it is about a virus which in FACT has a 99.99 percent survival rate. That rate changes with age group as per the data. So I do encourage my 92 year old mother to stay healthy.

One has to ask oneself, if there is a 99.99 percent survival rate, why are people for the first time in history bowing to the fear of covid. Willing to agree with the politicians use of covid to decimate their cities?

The numbers don't add up. Why the fear? It's called propaganda. It's via television and other media.

We all should be asking why is this happening. I've been told by one man, "I believe we should just do what we are asked to do as the government has our best interest at heart".

That sounds just like what some have said to me, " i just do what my doctor advises".

Both can be dangerous and deadly in the long term.

We should use only one metric... The percentage of deaths per 100,000 and the total death percentage.

As of the other day, the death rate in Washington State where Seattle is located, the death rate was 41 per 100,000. That is the same as 1 death per 2439.

So to really understand this perspective, read the following analogy:

" A warrior named Covid was sent out to fight the enemy. When he arrived at the battlefield much to his amazement, he was confronted with not one or two to fight but 2439 warriors. Being the staunch warrior he was, he purposed to do his job. Yes, he did kill one of his enemy, but he was killed in the process. When the battle was over for that day, there were 2438 of his enemy still standing."

So the question is: How fearful do you think those 2439 warriors were when they encountered their enemy. Did they resort to locking down in their homes? Did the commander tell them to stay home and not do their jobs?

While we all pussyfoot around this subject, the following is happening:
Because of a slowdown in commerce because of shutdowns, lockdowns etc. people are going broke, put out of their homes, losing livelihoods and even sense of sanity.

I find that many don't care as long as it is not happening to them.

I could provide all the data there is on the efficacy of masks, they they are ineffective for viruses, but people will just submit to wearing them even to their own peril.

When I go to town maskless, I want to vomit when I enter a store or walk down the sidewalk and see all the masked people. We are now living in an insane asylum.

"Oh but wait, the hospitals are overfilled! The doctors and nurses are exhausted!"
If that be the case, then the need is for more facility not KILLING the economy which keeps us all alive. But mostly this is fearmongering. Seattle built a temp facility for all the cases that they were going to encounter. They ended up closing it down as the patients never came.

Doctors and politicians should dedicate themselves to their perspective careers. Unfortunately, they have successfully taken over the economy and WE are now having to pay for their mistakes.

Each and every one of us are going to pay the price for their actions. You personally may not feel the effects at this time, but it will change society as we know it.

Don't believe any of the above, then go ahead and take your vaccine. See how it makes your life better.

I won't pollute my body with a foreign substance when the current survival rate is 99.99%

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Ps. to parents of children,

Please do not vaccinate your children with the new vaccine. Deaths of children from covid are almost non-existent.

Do as our parents did back in the 50's. They sent the kids out to play in the dirt. Get your kids out of the house. Don't have them use disinfecting hand cleaners.

Expose them to germs. Expose them to nature. Help build their own immune systems.

Stop helicopter parenting. By doing so, you create a weak generation.

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I'm glad you found the video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyrI4iLFUtk) interesting.

These two channels :
https://www.youtube.com/c/ChinainFocusNTD/videos
https://www.youtube.com/c/ChinaUncensored/videos
are interesting to watch on a daily basis.

If you do so you see the VAST difference between CCP state media and truth.

One also needs to listen closely in the sense of parsing the words.

For example to your quote:
In the video (min. 3,10) they say that the Liaoning region is under lockdown because the situation is escalating, the reporter says "China reported 80 new cases"

So the key here is "China reported..." The makers of the video are quoting what state controlled media says, but they (the makers of the channel) and anyone who follows the vast difference between the lies of the CCP narrative and reality, understand these people (CCP) are venerate
(long-term habitual) liars.

During January they only reported a fraction of the bio-lab flu deaths. During January they only reported a fraction of the Pooh-bear flu deaths.

They were running crematoriums day and night with over-running the capacity with lines of stacked corpses.

They knew in late Dec that it was contagious and deadly and when a Chinese doctor in ECU reported the problem they arrested and killed him.

Then they told the world it was not transmitted from person to person and the WHO (and their bought and paid for mouthpiece Tetros) said it was racist to ban from China.

China knew it was deadly and had lock-down the entire Wuhan province and stopped travel in china for the lunar New Year (people travel to their hometowns). Their is a large Chinese population in the textile region of Italy. They were allowed to travel to Wuhan during the lunar lockdown and then return home, to Italy. This is the reason Italy was hit so hard and so early.

We don't have the ability to create table of contents in threads on the first page as before - but all of this - and much more - in posted in this thread.

If you have the time (and interest) you can go to the beginning of the thread and read through all my posts to gain insight into this story as it unfolded.

So back to the 80 cases.

It could be 80,000 It could be anything. The real information isn't out. and CCP state media won't ever tell it.

There is a university where they have been lock-in residence for 9 months. The students are going crazy and some ready to commit suicide.

In a country that imprisons people for following a mediation practice and then cuts them up alive and sells their organs to foreigners, tortures and jails, etc. and has a history of lying about every flu they had, pig, bird, SARS etc to expect the truth from the CCP on C-vid is not realistic.

They are masters of propaganda, playing western media, lying, and co-opting influence in countries around the world, in media, in govt in universities etc.

This C-vid never needed to be this bad and spread around the world and if the CCP had told the truth it could have been limited right at the beginning. Part of the CCP -unrestricted warfare- includes death and destruction in western countries including deliberately spreading the virus to damage western economies and lives.

Watch the channels for a while and you will gain more understanding, deeper understanding of the depth of evil and lying of the CCP.

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Here in this video
govt lying about number of cases
the doctor who was killed for sounding the alarm
Taiwan telling the world about the virus and its ability to spread person to person -3 weeks before CCP
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Of course, preventing hospitals filling up is important, (the initial "flatten the curve" thesis when the R rate was suspected to be 4% in the early days - though now found to be less than 1%) and perhaps you saw what happened to the doctor who wrote a letter questioning lockdowns.

In his letter he highlighted the number of non-cvid deaths caused by hospitals turning away patients due to political prioritization of Cvid.

Earlier in the thread you saw the doctors who were complaining of lack of business at their medical clinic due to the MSM mis-eprestations. There is capacity.

You may have also caught the news of a female mayor who claimed there were corpses lined up only to be later caught out that what she had said was a total lie.

Also you may have noted that there is no science behind lockdowns. The whole concept has never been done before. In pandemics you quarantine the sick (and for Cvid stop visits to old folks homes in the early days until more is known of the disease.

Earlier in the thread you also noted the post showing the number of deaths every year due to hospital visits.

Clearly a logical system interested in safeguarding health and stop the spread would have set up Cvid treatment centers separate facilities. You don't mix in known infected people with those that don't have the disease.

Also you will have noted in the thread that Fauci had the WHO stopped the public wearing masks in the early stages when masks to stop the spread, would have been helpful. Then later when they are not helpful they implement masks and "social distancing".

There was a post on this in this thread with a doctor do a review of mask wearing.

As you know there was no science on social distancing. It is rather farcical that an airborne virus that lingers 30 minutes in the air (indoors), known since earlier January, would be defeated my people standing 6 feet apart, following each other around the store.

Now even the WHO has come out and recommended against lockdowns (except in extreme situations for a very limited time. The number of deaths and illness caused by lockdowns is not spoken of by MSM. Lockdowns hit the poor the hardest and GDP drop of 1% causes (100,000?) additional deaths.


The Governor of California issued lockdowns based on ICU capacity. The 15% capacity he quoted as justification for lockdowns is the norm for ICUs in California.

The doctor who wrote the letter was terminated from his position the next day. This is not a scientific approach it is censorship.

Sciences doesn't support lockdowns, the law does not (constitution and other).

Actually when one looks at all these factors one can see that health authorities are not working to reduce the impact of Cvid. There is no logic to their approach and science and evidence does not support their actions.

Certainly I agree for some who catch it there can be serious health consequences (especially since the war on HLC and other effect treatments have been suppressed). It is important for everyone to put on their thinking caps use their minds (instead of letting MSM pablum regurgitation govern their thinking.

Proper management on this infectious disease has been thwarted at every turn, and the situation has been made worse.

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Florida, where there is no lockdown or mask mandate you can barely see an increase in the hospitalization level in the Sunshine State from previous years, and the current level appears to be on par with the 2018 flu season, which was more of a pandemic flu than other flus in recent years.

Although the hospital numbers for the fourth quarter of 2020 were about 6%-8% higher than in the fourth quarter of the previous two years, it was barely higher than the first quarters of every year. The reason it is fair to compare to the worst months of previous years is because it has become clear that the flu is gone for this year and that COVID-19 is this year's version of the flu. Thus, with flu cases down 98.8%, it is reasonable to assume that the January census will not grow as it typically does during peak flu season.


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In video

new virus strain more contagious and caused blood clots sudden death 2:11

some elderly dying after taking new Pzier vaccine (Sweden, Israel, Switzerland) 7:45

elderly and those with health problems not being vaccinated in China

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Despite scientists' insistence that mutated strains of the original SARS-CoV-2 virus had little significance, so-called "variants" discovered in the UK and South Africa have been found to be more infectious than the original. And while vaccine makers insist that their jabs will be just as effective against these hyper-infectious strains, the reality is there isn't much data to comfortably back up these assertions.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/new-hyper-infectious-mutant-covid-strain-may-already-be-spreading-us

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James T. Mulder wrote Saturday at syracuse.com that until December 29 there had been no coronavirus deaths at The Commons.

Over a period of less than two weeks since December 29, Mulder relates that 24 coronavirus-infected residents at the 300-bed nursing home have died.

There had been no nursing home Covid-19 deaths in Cayuga County until the first three deaths at the Commons were reported Dec. 29. The three other nursing homes in Cayuga have not reported any Covid-19 deaths.

Auburn, N.Y. – A Covid-19 outbreak at a Cayuga County nursing home that began two weeks ago has infected 137 residents, 24 of whom have died.

The state Health Department inspected the nursing home’s infection control practices Wednesday and found no deficiencies.

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CVID after effects

min 3:38
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1700 patient study 6 month after discharge

after effects:
  • impaired lung function
  • impaired kidney function
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Hi everyone!

As we all know, COVID-19 has been a huge issue for all of us. Our way of life has drastically changed, putting unnecessary stress on us.

If anyone is interested and if the moderator allows me, I have information about a treatment based on policlonal antibodies, interferons and glycopeptides. The treatment is safe to use, it boosts inmune response and it may be used as “cure” as well as a profilaxis. There are studies all over the world showing the potential use of these products as antivirals agents targeting COVID-19.

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As public health experts around the world issue warnings about new mutant strains of SARS-CoV-2, it appears a new variant has been isolated in Ohio, likely originating from somewhere in the Midwest.

One of these variants, dubbed the "Columbus strain," has three gene mutations that haven't previously been seen in other SARS-CoV-2 strains - the virus that causes COVID-19, according to a statement from The Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center. These mutations occur in the so-called spike protein of the virus, which enables the virus to bind to human cells more quickly.

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Prior to the Covid-19 pandemic, mainstream epidemiology and public health entities doubted – or even rejected – the efficacy of lockdowns and mass quarantines because they were considered ineffective. This all changed in March 2020, when sentiment flipped in support of lockdown measures. Still, there is a vast body of evidence explaining their original stance and why these mandates do not work.

Fauci said that shutting down the country does not work. (January 24, 2020)
"historically when you shut things down it doesn’t have a major effect.”

study in the Bulletin of Mathematical Biology regarding the 1918 influenza pandemic in Canada:
“quarantine measures limiting intercommunity travel ... simulation results suggest that such a situation may actually make things worse, especially in the absence of strong efforts to keep infectious individuals isolated from the rest of the population.”

American Journal of Epidemiology
should mass quarantine be used it would “inflict significant social, psychological, and economic costs without resulting in the detection of many infected individuals.”


Johns Hopkins scholars say quarantines don’t work but are pursued for political reasons. (September 2019)
"implementation of some NPIs, such as travel restrictions and quarantine, might be pursued for social or political purposes by political leaders, rather than pursued because of public health evidence.”

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A massive Danish study on mask usage found no statistically significant difference in coronavirus infection rates between mask-wearers and non-mask-wearers. In fact, according to the data, mask usage may actually increase the likelihood of infection. https://t.co/ijUy8hfNTY pic.twitter.com/gYDtA8ac0p

And the same goes for lockdowns, as the balance between the high cost and time-limited efficacy are still not well understood.

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Doctors Warn Side Effects From COVID-19 Vaccine "Won't Be A Walk In The Park"

Fevers, sweats, migraines and muscle aches that last for days - these are just some of the symptoms reported by various 'Phase 3' trial participants who volunteered for the vaccine trials run by Pfizer, Moderna and others

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With reports this morning of another otherwise-healthy patient dying suddenly after receiving her first dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, many skeptics in both Europe and the US still have serious reservations about the jabs

First, Gundlach pointed to the ~95% effective number: "I'm just not buying it," Gundlach said, arguing that the sample size of infected patients (that is, trial participants who actually contracted the virus) is too small to be reliable.

"I would take this news more credibly if they came up with a vaccine and they said it worked, like, 53% of the time. There's something about that 94.5% that just looks fishy to me. You go from zero to 94.5...um...I got a feeling that it's a very small sample, I got a feeling that it's relative to one strain."

these things mutate like crazy. That's the problem with vaccines on coronaviruses, is they mutate like crazy. We can't get a durable vaccine on the regular influenza, we have failure rates of over 50% in some years."


"Apparently, the ones they've tested with these high rates, apparently it's super unpleasant to take the vaccine. You have to take it twice, it's painful...you have to deal with really painful side effects...this is what I'm hearing from people who know more about this than I do."

it hurts like hell...and you might be sick for 3 days."

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the elderly and those with chronic health conditions: sick patients over 80 are particularly at risk for devastating side effects.

Thus for this vulnerable demographic which is currently first in line in North America, the "cure" could be worse than the disease. Bloomberg notes that it's "the most cautious statement yet from a European health authority" regarding potential adverse vaccine health risks.

"For those with the most severe frailty, even relatively mild vaccine side effects can have serious consequences," the Norwegian Institute of Public Health said.

This comes after a handful of global cases, including an elderly patient in France, where a recipient died within hours of receiving their first-round of the vaccine.

Thus far Norway says it has administered doses to up to 33,000 people, including the elderly, but are already finding it "too risky" for the terminally ill and people over 80 that are in frail condition. Given only 33,000 injected so far, the reported death count is already staggering and is causing officials to sound the alarm:

Norwegian officials said 23 people had died in the country a short time after receiving their first dose of the vaccine. Of those deaths, 13 have so far been autopsied, with the results suggesting that common side effects may have contributed to severe reactions in frail, elderly people, according to the Norwegian Medicines Agency.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/norway-sounds-alarm-over-vaccine-risks-elderly-frail-after-23-deaths

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Ivermectin is Now a Therapeutic Option for Doctors & Prescribers.

"...the NIH has upgraded their recommen*da*tion and now considers Ivermectin an option for use in COVID-19."

https://covid19criticalcare.com/

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Ivermectin is Now a Therapeutic Option for Doctors & Prescribers.

"...the NIH has upgraded their recommen*da*tion and now considers Ivermectin an option for use in COVID-19."

https://covid19criticalcare.com/

https://covid19criticalcare.com/i-mask-prophylaxis-treatment-protocol/i-mask-protocol-translations/

Just to add a different insight along the same line as your link, my neighbor who grew up on a ranch in Wyoming, would go see his veterinary if he had a medical issue!

Doctors are good for trauma care. I don't go to them for HEALTH care.

I can just go out to the barn now and get my Ivermectin off the shelf..... Seriously!

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I can just go out to the barn now and get my Ivermectin off the shelf..... Seriously!

Did you convert the dosage to see how much of the paste you'd have to take, how often, and for how long?

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When you have more than 125k members in a community, you are going to have many different opinions and it will be impossible to make everyone happy. However, I have to follow my gut and do what I believe is right, and what I think will help the majority of members in our community.

To that end, I want you to know that I have asked @aquarian1 to stop posting in this thread. I have also asked him to stop posting about COVID entirely on the forum. He is welcome to continue posting in his other threads.

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Staying true with the original topic.

India has kicked off its phase one of rolling out 30cr vaccines. (300 Million).

This phase is started with the front line workers and will likely take couple of months to get over with. While I don't have specifics atm, its vaccine in multiple dosages, so it will likely be long term plan.

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I always believe in full transparency.

When you have more than 125k members in a community, you are going to have many different opinions and it will be impossible to make everyone happy. However, I have to follow my gut and do what I believe is right, and what I think will help the majority of members in our community.

To that end, I want you to know that I have asked @aquarian1 to stop posting in this thread. I have also asked him to stop posting about COVID entirely on the forum. He is welcome to continue posting in his other threads.

This decision was not made lightly. I hope he, and everyone else, respects the decision -- even if they do not agree with it. I ask for respect because everyone is here at my invitation. My house, my rules. That said, I created the house to help everyone as much as possible. I cannot stand by and allow something to continue when it goes against what I believe in and what I believe the majority of members believe in, especially in the case where it could cause harm. So please take that to heart whenever you are forming your opinion about my decision.

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Hi Mike,

It's your forum. I respect that.

I will not post any more on CVid


I am not clear what fringe "remedies" you are referring to but if it is Ivermectin then perhaps you have not watched the video of the doctor who represented a team of pulmonary specialists (over 80 experts) citing 2,000 peer review papers, published by pulmonary specialists.


He lamented the needless deaths. He requested to congress that NIH review the literature and an I understand that NIH has and approved it.


This is your place and I have only presented (I hope) info that medical doctors have presented.

As you said I have posted to help people.

As these posts are taking a lot of time and you feel that people are not being helped then it will save me time to discontimue posting on CVid.

Once again I respect your decision as this is your place.

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To bring this back to trading (I trade the ES), what are the scenarios looking ahead?
It appears that the UK and the US will be on course to have vaccinated over 50% of their populations by June (approximate figures and dates).
I would assume the West in general will be about the same.

So considering what Biden is planning to do for spending, what are people thinking will happen to markets in the next year or so assuming the threat of Covid subsides? Will they keep going up (don't fight the Fed) or will something else come into play?

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Did you convert the dosage to see how much of the paste you'd have to take, how often, and for how long?

Hi, thanks for the question.

To answer you directly, I have not. The intention was to shed something a little more light hearted on this issue.

Personally, the chances of me having to take a remedy is as likely of me winning the Mega Millions Jackpot.

Seriously, when 99.99 percent of all people (not counting the infirm and the at risk elderly) are unaffected by this flu, I don't give it a second thought.

I just love the fact that the numbers are on my side.

If I knew even 1 person in my town of 30k, I might dig into the dosage if they were interested.

Happy Trails!

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Hi, thanks for the question.

To answer you directly, I have not. The intention was to shed something a little more light hearted on this issue.

Personally, the chances of me having to take a remedy is as likely of me winning the Mega Millions Jackpot.

Seriously, when 99.99 percent of all people (not counting the infirm and the at risk elderly) are unaffected by this flu, I don't give it a second thought.

I just love the fact that the numbers are on my side.

If I knew even 1 person in my town of 30k, I might dig into the dosage if they were interested.

Happy Trails!



Thanks, I wasn't sure if you were being serious or not. I asked those questions to give you something to think about if you were. I could say more, but someone was censored in this thread for "problematic" posts--without those exact posts and infractions being identified; so I'll try to follow the new "my house" rules, even though I don't know what they are, and just stop abruptly, right here.

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Covid and Trading:

Win rate for futures: 30%, 50%, 70%? We are all looking for that good win rate.

I'm glad that the the win rate (not getting Covid) is 99.99%

I'm happy that my fellow traders are on the winning side!

Over and out on this subject!!!

Best regards to all and Enjoy the life that now is!

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Swedish official deaths per 100 k for 2020 . Deaths per 100K seems simular to 2015. Average 2020 is 92 against 91 2015. So pandemic had no impact on average death rate at least not 2020.




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