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1. Science is what has brought our society to the level it's currently at. It's why we're not dying from the simplest deceases anymore and right now, science has developed a vaccin for one of the most deadliest pandemics in recent history in record time.

These companies have been researching and investing in RNA technologies so that the foundational work was already done.

2. Combine that with the greatest minds figuring out how to do clinical research not sequentially but in parallel whilst also starting manufacturing work and opening more sites to produce vaccine an you end up with what's possible the largest scientific effort ever done on global scale.

Full disclosure: I hold a grade in Computer Science and I've worked decades in the Clinical Pharmaceutical Industry. For me that means I think I understand what the virus is, does, and how it affects the human body. For you it means I'm one of 'them'

That you " worked decades in the Clinical Pharmaceutical Industry." really speaks volumes. though not positively, I'm afraid. It shows where you money thoughts are.
Fat head Fauci, the WHO and so on who has caused such damage and misinformation, have their allegiances to money and profiting off this/

Re 1. Science has allowed the bio-engineering and GAINS of the basic SARs at the Wuhan lab. (the whole story is detail in this thread)
GAINS research - augmenting a virus to make it more deadly is illegal and is part of bio-warfare. When it was found that Wuhan lab was doing this the USA govtcancelled its financial support for the lab as it is illegal to fund this under US law. Fauci worked to get the funding restored. He can't make money off his Moderna vaccine without deaths! Hence is consistent misinformation dissemination. (When masks where important in the early stages (like March) he came out against them.) He is an evil person.

re2. Lots of money in this.
Covid death rate is about the same as the flu and pneumonia each year in most countires
(perhaps with the fudged exception of US data -see prior post about the $13,000 bonus pay for labelling)

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On the hydroxychloroquone post, I believe you are wrong. Over the course of the last few months, many studies have shown that hydroxychloroquone has an adverse effect on the early antibodies in the human body thereby worsening the person's natural response to the virus.

I think you should post at least 2 of the "many studies" you have claimed.

Most doctors use it in the early stages once a person is determined to have it (covid) and have used it with great effectiveness to cure the person.

note: hcl+ treatment is not recommend for a person with arrhythmia (irregular heartbeat)

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It all about the money.
-----------------------from the video ---

"I am NOT a politician
Our group specialists in the field have our 2,000 peer review studies between us
peer review of existing and proven safe medicine.
The nobel winning Ivermectim has worked miraculous healing
People are needlessly dying..

I am deeply troubled
Everything has been about novel and expensive pharmaceutically engineered [drugs]"
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When you watch the video you can see the pain of this doctor watching people die that he could have saved.


This video is an excellent example of the evil of the pharmaceutical industry FOCUS ON PROFIT and MONEY and killing people because of their contempt for life and health.
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I have the same contempt for those who pray to them and puff their chests "I know I am a pharmacist - you are but a worm." Pay up and bow down an pray to us.

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1. There are already 3 main strains of Covid
2. 9500 doctors (mostly in Europe) already use HCL+.
There was an earlier post in this thread showing debunking the"study" that claimed HCl didn't work. You should read that post and the Dr review of the media trash (I don't know how to find post easily or I would link to it.

3. My key point is that the the MS media NEVER has posted a list of items for improving/enhancing the immune system. Where are all the talking head experts?
MSM only posts fear and misleading information.

I offer a challenge to you to post a brief list of the items/supplements and activities to enhance the immune system.

I'm not going to invest the time here discussing all these things. What I want to call upon is that people do proper investigation. That is, look for data (google scholar) that is about double blinded, placebo controlled clinical studies done on larger scale with public results.

Yes there are 3, maybe 4 strains currently but for a virus that is nothing. A standard flu comes in dozens of mutations per year.
My heart still breaks a little when people say this is just a flu or a virus with a death rate of a flu. They are majorly underestimating both flu and this virus. It's also insulting I think to all IC care health workers turning patients all day with 4 people fully outfitted with protective clothing just so that a patient can get a little breath and they have been doing this since March.

HCL is not approved to be administered to COVID-patients in EU. Hydroxychloroquine can cause psychiatric and even Psychotic disorders and suicidal behavior. https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/covid-19-chloroquine-hydroxychloroquine-only-be-used-clinical-trials-emergency-use-programmes and https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/meeting-highlights-pharmacovigilance-risk-assessment-committee-prac-23-26-november-2020

On your major point, I do fully agree! An effective and healthy immune system is what people need cause obese and/or an unhealthy lifestyle majorly increases the chance of severe impact. An improved immune system however is not built up by taking HCL but an immune system is built up over months and years. That's done in the gym, the kitchen and in the outsides. I'd sincerely hope more people coming out of this pandemic take a critical look at their lifestyle, eating patterns and overall health. At least I did.

Unfortunately, I'm going to duck out of this discussion further. I'm extremely busy right now trading and working in the health care sector on this topic and don't feel I have to be the one defending science. I do wish you well @aquarian1. Stay safe out there.

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I am very much against censorship. Servicemen and women have fought and died to defend free speech and democracy. Free speech does not mean you are free to speak but only if what you say is in agreement with me.

In your first post you challenged a poster with "I question of your motives"- a slur against the person. A person does not need to explain their motives to post. Members are allowed to post and encouraged to do so. They certainly do not have to give a reason to post nor be attacked for doing so.

To try to intimidate a poster into not posting because you do not agree with them is a form of censorship. It also discourages others who are timid from posting when they see they can have vague slurs of “I questions you motives”.

In your post to me you claimed
-“many recent studies show there is only one strain” with no URL.
In contradiction to what I had posted of several strains. When I ask for 2 urls of the “many studies” you switched stance and then admitted there are several strains.

So you said I was wrong and then when I asked for some backing on it you backed away.

Earlier in this lengthy thread there I posted about hydroxychloroquine and it being legacy drug and about the false media report being debunked in detail by a doctor (it is in a video).

Now you claim hydroxychloroquine “is not approved in Europe”. Readers will notice the side-step from being an effective sure when used properly to “not approved”.
Whether it is CURRENTLY approved or not in Europe, after fat-head Fauci and USA MSM false reports (so He can make money off a Moderna vaccine) I cannot say - but it is beside the point and hints to politics and profit over helping people.

I asked for a list of everyday steps people can take to booster their general immune system. This request is not that I don’t know the steps but to highlight to the readers you are talking ”above your grade”.

To deflect your lack of knowledge you refer to double-bind placebo trails. These are the standard for showing efficacy of new drugs – now legacy drug of 80 year history. Double bind studies are not done for life threatening conditions. You cannot have people infected with a potentially deadly disease and half given the drug and half sugar water all patients there are being treated for their life threatening emergency care infection. If you had knowledge in these matters you would know this.

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Here are some clipping of interest.

The Media Sabotage of Hydroxychloroquine Use for COVID-19: Doctors Worldwide Protest the Disaster

Media and Big Pharma are in lockstep to suppress a cheap, life-saving Covid-19 therapy in order to reap pandemic-sized profits. The false news that 96,032 hospitalized patients on six continents were at risk for lethal heart rhythms sent shock waves throughout the world. Immediately, many randomized control trials (RCT’s) at the World Health Organization and elsewhere were suspended until the Lancet article was finally retracted two weeks later, June 5.

But the damage was done. The WHO had ordered countries to stop using it, and European Union countries had banned its use (outside clinical trials) for Covid-19 treatment. Clinical trials themselves, such as the NAID trial announced by the US National Institutes of Health on May 14,[iii] were cancelled. A hostile press frightened people from re-entering clinical trials that might have cleared it for use.

Worst of all, newly symptomatic people who had formerly benefitted from early outpatient treatment were now progressing to Phase 2 of the disease, during which the dangerous immune system “cytokine” storm[iv] often leads to hospitalization and death.

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  • Hydroxychloroquine has been used for Malaria for about 80 years
  • Hydroxychloroquine has been routinely prescribed in the California for many years even for arthritis
  • Hydroxychloroquine is used in Europe.


Half of Coronavirus Doctors Have used Hydroxychloroquine ...
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/coronavirus/half-coronavirus-doctors-have-used-hydroxychloroquine-survey -146162
Half of Coronavirus Doctors Have used Hydroxychloroquine: Survey The latest Sermo survey, which was taken between April 6 and April 9, found that of the 1,337 physicians surveyed who have treated ...

The Media Sabotage of Hydroxychloroquine Use for COVID-19 ...
https://www.globalresearch.ca/media-sabotage-hydroxychloroquine-covid-19-doctors-worldwide-protest-disaster/5717382
An April 2020 survey of 6200 doctors in 30 countries showed that globally, half of the doctors polled said they had used hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19. [xxvi] On April 6, wider access to the drug was urged in a petition signed by nearly 500,000 French doctors and citizens. [xxvii]

Hydroxychloroquine-Number Of Prescriptions Explodes In France
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexledsom/2020/05/10/hydroxychloroquinenumber-of-prescriptions-explode-in-france/
May 10, 2020Hydroxychloroquine is an anti-malarial drug also used to treat people suffering from lupus. It is sold under its trader name of Plaquénil in France. Shortly afterwards, President Trump, tweeted the...

Spain will not stop use of HCQ to treat COVID-19 patients ...
https://www.wionews.com/world/spain-will-not-stop-use-of-hcq-to-treat-covid-19-patients-unlike-other-european-nations-301593
Spain has said it sees no reason to stop the use of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) to treat COVID-19 patients even as European governments moved on Wednesday to halt the use of the anti-malaria drug.

Countries that use Hydroxychloroquine may have 80% lower ...
https://wentworthreport.com/2020/08/08/countries-that-use-hydroxychloroquine-may-have-80-lower-covid-death-rates/
Hydroxychloroquine is a 60 year old drug used by millions of people around the world. The wholesale cost is about $5US for a whole month of treatment in Africa. In the US HCQ was approved in 1955, and there are about 5 million prescriptions for it every year for things like Malaria, Rheumatoid Arthritis and Lupus.



Turkey claims success treating COVID-19 with broad use of ...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-covid-19-treatment-turkey/
Turkey using hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19 02:13 Istanbul — Turkey has the biggest coronavirus outbreak in the Middle East, with more than 117,000 confirmed infections. More than 3,000 people ...


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Summary:


  • You have “jumped in” part way through the thread evidently not reading what has gone before (including the information on successful use of hydroxychloroquine).
  • You have slurred a poster with a spurious “I question your motives”
  • If you cared about people’s health and this disease you would have listed the items people can do to protect and blooster their immune systems – which is of course my key point.
  • You have switched ground when asked for support of “many recent studies”
  • You have not posted anything about the Invermicim video above.
  • As Mike said – most people come into the forum to try and prove the other person wrong instead of fruitful discussion.


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and blooster their immune systems – which is of course my key point.

I would love to blooster my immune system, can you post a YouTube link teaching me how to do this?

Just kidding. Everything you said is well said.

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  • If you cared about people’s health and this disease you would have listed the items people can do to protect and blooster their immune systems – which is of course my key point.


All the best with trading.

Saying he "doesn't care" seems like a bit of a "slur" (your word).

BTW he did list some items on how to "blooster" your immune system.

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