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Covid cases, hospitalizations, and deaths have seen a steep decline since the governor of Georgia began opening the state on April 21st

Maybe getting out in the fresh air and sunshine should not have been prohibited in the first place!

Shutting down the entire United States over a virus that looks to be less deadly than an average flu virus – – has resulted in mass unemployment and economic destruction.

It is becoming increasingly clear that the US states and the countries that locked down the tightest also suffered the highest death rates. Ultra locked-down Italy suffered 495 Covid deaths per million while relatively non-locked down South Korea suffered only five deaths per million. The same is true in the US, where non lockdown states like South Dakota were relatively untouched by the virus while authoritarian-led Michigan, New York, and California have been hardest hit.

So why not open everything? Because these petty tyrants cannot stand the idea of losing the ability to push people around.



More Americans may die from the wrong-headed efforts to fight the virus than from the virus itself.

Milbank, sees his job as pushing the mainstream narrative that we must remain in fear and never question what “experts” like Dr. Fauci tell us.

A nation of people who just do what they are told by the “experts” without question is a nation ripe for a descent into total tyranny.

The Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity : Listening to the Coronavirus 'Experts' Has Led to Death and Despair

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I think someone has been locked up to long. LoL.

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Im sure it is not meant to be a AAAAAAAAA Black to White thing

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This comparison between 1929 and the current period, it seems to me a bit...exaggerated...


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This whole "social distancing" is such a lame brain idea and it has never been done before, has no medical evidence of effectiveness but was mysteriously put in place. In Sweden there is no social distancing, restaurants and cafes are open and their infections/million is 3,288. In the USA it is 5,036. 1.5 times higher with social distancing and shutting restaurants and bars!

Why is this failure of social distancing and shelter-in-place not mentioned by the USA media? It is a total failure, it never had any medical basis, the evidence shows it is not helpful - why no discussion. Why no accountability for the Medical buffoons who engendered this foolishness?

It is as if they are deliberately sowing fear and control of the population, in the minds of the masses and no one questions it. (100,000 people die of infections they get from hospital visits every year in the USA and USA is just now at 98,000 and that is with the $13.000 incentive to report a death as Covid that the hospitals get paid.)

They could have done masks, air sterilization machines in workplaces and no visiting nursing homes and we would be over this.

I think there is another agenda here. Fear, don't wear masks! (they fuck up facial recognition you know), keep people from connecting and fearful of each other, overwhelm all media with "danger! danger! danger!" and "stay safe".

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I think someone has been locked up to long. LoL.

You mean congressman Ron Paul?
(he wrote the article posted as indicated BTW)

Send him an email - I'm sure he'll appreciate your insights.

No doubt being a congressman and long time advocate for less war and end the Fed he would love you here your well thought-out response.

You can find Ron Paul here:

The Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity : Listening to the Coronavirus 'Experts' Has Led to Death and Despair

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Sweden's per capita coronavirus death toll is among the highest in the world — a sign its decision to avoid a lockdown may not be working:

https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-coronavirus-per-capita-death-rate-among-highest-2020-5?IR=T

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The social distancing and shut down is for only one reason, and that is TO DESTROY OUR NATION

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In Italy we have found evidence that virus was circulating since early December at least. Infact local newspapers in that period say there was some unusual pneumonia.
Anyway It started to be real only on March when country has been locked down.

Now if we look at numbers we see that 40% of deaths has occured in retirement houses and on this point there is an investigation in process to determine the responsabilities.
Another 40% of death is again of people over 70 yrs. (I'm not saying it's acceptable they died)
the remaining 20% is mixed but most of the people are over 50yrs with previous deseases.
60% of people infected lives in only 3 regions of the country.

So, was it really worth to lockdown a country? Is anything really changed now? What is changed?

We are now out of lockdown, life is pretty much the same as it was before, so in two weeks we should see an increase in people infected or all this was a big bullshit and people who get infected would have been with or without lock down and so the people who died and people who instead have been well.

I think it's pretty clear what my opinion is.


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Now going back to MRNA, their wonder vaccine is being looked into by scientists and health professionals around the world, and some whistleblowers have come forward with some scary claims - that it will include human fetus cells which cause cancer:

The aborted human cells used in vaccines come from lung tissue and are considered “abnormal” cells because they keep dividing, spreading, multiplying in the human body after being injected, and that is the definition of cancer. You can find these cancer-causing, cannibal-style injections listed on the CDC vaccine website, and you might even recognize a few of them. These dangerous and dirty vaccines include the MMR (Measles, Mumps & Rubella), Hepatitis A & B, Chicken Pox (Varicella), Polio, and in the works now … wait for it … novel Coronavirus or “Covid-19.” The company cheered in mainstream headlines, Moderna, that’s claiming to be developing a Covid-19 vaccine, is using human abortion cells to do it. It’s just plain witchcraft, and the benefits (if any at all anymore) do NOT outweigh the risk. Doctors, nurses and pharmacists do not understand this, and even if a few do, they can never speak out without getting fired or forever labeled “anti-vax” and “anti-science.” This is population control and cancer breeding exposed by forensic medicine experts.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2020-05-25/mrna-moderna-using-unethical-and-untested-animal-and-human-genes-vaccine-social

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Sweden's per capita coronavirus death toll is among the highest in the world — a sign its decision to avoid a lockdown may not be working:

https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-coronavirus-per-capita-death-rate-among-highest-2020-5?IR=T

not really. You're mixing up MSM narrative with the actual evidence.
Social distancing or not social distancing relates to infections per million

Death rate per million cannot be directly compared between countries at different points in the infection cycle.

Sweden's open policy means pretty much everyone has been exposed and there is a delay between exposure and death and Sweden is at the end of the curve.

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100,000

I thought that someone ought to mention that the United States now has had over 100,000 deaths from the COVID-19 virus. We have a thread on the virus, but no one is marking this milestone, so I guess I will.

I understand that there are many points of view on this whole situation, and frankly I don't want to get too far into all of it. But 100,000 people is a pretty large number, and someone should notice it on a thread devoted to the subject.

The US now has over a million cases, and leads the world in the effect of the virus, leading in both total cases and total deaths. Since March. That's three months.

So, maybe this is really a big deal.

I do understand that there are many parts of the country that have not been seriously affected by the virus (I live in one, although there are parts of my state, the high-density areas such as Miami, Ft. Lauderdale and Palm Beach, that are high infection and high death areas.) I am very afraid that the regions that so far have been lightly affected will soon find that the virus has come to their door. This is starting in a lot of areas, and I am not happy with it.

I also understand that every single issue in modern life has become a political issue. I am sure that at some point, whether the sun rises in the East will be something that people believe or disbelieve based on their politics. God knows why this has happened, but it has.

So, whether this is well-received or not, I do want to pause and notice that 100,000 Americans are dead now from this virus, and this is more than all the US soldiers who died in every war beginning with Viet Nam and up to the present. That's a hell of a lot of people, folks.

No matter what you think about the subject, and no matter what your politics are, it's a lot. There will be more, and politics just won't matter.

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Now, since I have attempted to keep an objective, calm tone in this post, I shouldn't say that it is dismaying to see videos of about a million doofuses rushing out over Memorial Day trying to see whether they could get infected, but it is. A certain percentage of these people will be in ICU's in a few weeks, and after that some will be dead. So will some of their acquaintances and family members who get it from them. So will innocent people they give it to just in passing.

Will it take another three months to get to 200,000? We can't tell now, of course. But the history of this has been to exceed expectations.

Current numbers, from Johns Hopkins University, are here: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

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.... while relatively non-locked down South Korea suffered only five deaths per million. r[/url]

South Korea re-imposes some coronavirus restrictions after spike in new cases:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/28/south-korea-faces-return-to-coronavirus-restrictions-after-spike-in-new-cases

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https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/05/31/world/europe/31reuters-health-coronavirus-italy-virus.html

anyway things I will do after all this story ends.

1) Will not enter any place managed by a chinese(like bars or resturants)
2) will not import any product from China.
3) will not vote for the current government
4) will not travel to countries who closed or still closing borders with Italy
5) will never doubt that market can recover and build a better long position next time something similar happens.
6) I have a bad feeling about the future so I need a plan B.

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I regards to sweden there was some stats analyzed last week in regards to deaths related to the same investigation of highest death rate. It seems that on 5 occasions between 2000-2019 the death rate related to population size have been "higher" or similar from flue. Now there was a point made that at those occasions there was no social distancing implemented. But this shows that normal flue can be much worse then we might think or We never had the info made public before.

Swedish GDP increased 0.1% first quarter so economically up to date it was the right way to go.

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I regards to sweden there was some stats analyzed last week in regards to deaths related to the same investigation of highest death rate. It seems that on 5 occasions between 2000-2019 the death rate related to population size have been "higher" or similar from flue. Now there was a point made that at those occasions there was no social distancing implemented. But this shows that normal flue can be much worse then we might think or We never had the info made public before.

Swedish GDP increased 0.1% first quarter so economically up to date it was the right way to go.

I have to side with you on the Flu severity I don't think its ever been taken seriously

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Sweden update.

Sweden is an interesting case, because their much less restricted response to the Coronavirus was very different from the rest of Europe, and from the other Scandinavian countries. Like many people, I have been aware in a distant way of their policy, although not entirely clear about its basis, since I have been more concerned with the situation where I live.

It appears there is some reconsideration going on now in Sweden itself, although I am not sure what their next steps will be.

I came across this brief story in the Washington Post today, which I am quoting in its entirely here.


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The architect of Sweden’s controversial coronavirus strategy has acknowledged the country should have done more to control the spread of the virus.

In a Wednesday interview with Sveriges Radio, Anders Tegnell, the country’s top epidemiologist, said too many people had died and more aggressive measures were clearly needed. But he stopped short of saying Sweden should have implemented a strict lockdown, saying it was not yet clear what responses to the pandemic had paid off in other countries.

“If we were to encounter the same disease again, knowing exactly what we know about it today, I think we would settle on doing something in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done,” Tegnell said, according to the Local Sweden.

Sweden has reported upward of 38,000 coronavirus cases and 4,468 deaths, giving it a far higher per capita death rate than its Nordic neighbors, which all introduced mandatory lockdowns. While Sweden’s health officials banned group gatherings of more than 50 people and encouraged social distancing, they also took a more laissez-faire approach by allowing bars, restaurants, gyms and schools for children under 16 to remain open.

Criticism of Sweden’s model grew last week when Annika Linde, the country’s former head epidemiologist, publicly changed her stance on the anti-lockdown policy and said it had proved to be unsuccessful. Even a month of lockdown would have bought authorities time to find ways to protect Sweden’s most vulnerable residents, such as elderly people in nursing homes, she said.

Tegnell, typically a staunch defender of the Swedish model, has argued a more lenient approach will be more sustainable in the long run. But he acknowledged Wednesday that there was “clearly room for improvement” in Sweden’s response to the pandemic.

Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/03/coronavirus-live-updates-us/ Unfortunately, you'll have to scroll way down or use Ctl+F Search to get to this story. This link is to the beginning of a large collection of related stories, and the Sweden link they provide in the initial summary section takes you to a different page on world-wide cases, apparently by mistake.

I'll just say that the virus pandemic has been one more thing to divide people into opposing camps, and unfortunately there can be consequences to the choice of which camp we are in. This division is one more thing that I hope we can outgrow, and I certainly wish the best for the people of Sweden, and for all of us.

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Hi,
here in the UK people with life threatening illnesses very often haven't been getting the treatment they need and their deaths are being put into the covid 19 death statistics. We are told by the media the hospitals are overflowing and struggling to cope but we have been told by people who have been inside that they are quite empty. We have drove past the hospital near to us many times and we see lots of staff just sitting around with nothing to do and they don't look like they have been working hard.

It's all just another excuse to get us more under control and clamp down further on our freedoms. More people seem to be waking up to this now though, which is good.

Do any of you look at: https://www.infowars.com/
https://www.davidicke.com/
https://www.bitchute.com/ they give a good insight into what is going on.

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Genius.... why didn't I think of it myself?


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Genius.... why didn't I think of it myself?

Hard to say if this is simply hilarious or a cause for despair for all humankind. I sort of felt both.

I guess I'll just take it as a case of human foibles and move along.... I have made equally dumb moves in trading, but it wasn't caught on tape, thankfully.

I would like to be kind, but it's so hard not to laugh.

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False claim: In 2015, Trump tweeted that if “Dow Joans” plunges, US president should be shot out of a cannon...

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-trump-dowjones-tweet/false-claim-in-2015-trump-tweeted-that-if-dow-joans-plunges-us-president-should-be-shot-out-of-a-cannon-idUSKBN20P340





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@Shaban what's the relevance of Trump's fake tweet in the Covid-19 thread?

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Among the causes that the newspapers have indicated to justify the strong correction of Thursday, June 11: BLACK THURSDAY: WALL STREET CRASH!, are as follows:

https://valueline.com/Markets/Daily_Updates/Stock_Market_Today__June_11,_2020.aspx

Several factors appear responsible. First, there are new disease fears, with total U.S. deaths from COVID-19, which now stand at 113,000, estimated by one prominent doctor to perhaps reach 200,000 by September, as the reopening of America threatens to bring on new infections.

Some claim that Donald Trump's tweet is authentic, others that it's fake...(the fact remains that it's...exaggerated)

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cystic fibrosis inhaler improves very sick covid-19 patients breathing greatly by desolving the DNA net that is created by immune system and at the same time lowers the inflamation. Info from Swedish insterweiv of at hospital in south Sweden.

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/skane/cystisk-fibros-medicin-testas-pa-covid-19-patienter

Above all swedish .. shit anyway below have some english
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/skane/forskare-i-lund-forsoker-knacka-covid-19-gatan


FYI , Was just told by my Chinese girl fried that Bejing and another city suddenly have alot of new Covid 19 cases.

Seems it is this med.
https://www.drugs.com/mtm/tobramycin-inhalation.html

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10: Going to a political rally where thousands of people are yelling their lungs out in an indoor space, shoulder to shoulder, spewing clouds of aerosol droplets and inhaling them, especially when most of the participants are in their 60's or above.

Even worse if it's a political convention that goes on for days.

What could possibly go wrong?

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An effective drug treatment for the worst cases is announced

A drug proven in a large trial to help reduce deaths from the coronavirus has been announced by scientists in Oxford, England.

It's not a sure-cure. It reduces the number of deaths among the most severely ill patients, those who are either on a ventilator or using oxygen. Unfortunately, it does not help those who are not ill enough to need a ventilator or oxygen, but they are less at risk also:


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Scientists at the University of Oxford said on Tuesday that they have identified what they called the first drug proven to reduce coronavirus-related deaths, after a 6,000-patient trial of the drug in Britain showed that a low-cost steroid could reduce deaths significantly for hospitalized patients.

The steroid, dexamethasone, reduced deaths by a third in patients receiving ventilation, and by a fifth in patients receiving only oxygen treatment, the scientists said. They found no benefit from the drug in patients who did not need respiratory support.

Matt Hancock, Britain’s health secretary, said National Health Service doctors would begin treating patients with the drug on Tuesday afternoon.

The government started stockpiling dexamethasone several months ago because it was hopeful about the potential of the drug, Mr. Hancock said, and now has 200,000 doses on hand.

“Dexamethasone is the first drug to be shown to improve survival in Covid-19,” said Peter Horby, professor of emerging infectious diseases at the University of Oxford, and one of the chief investigators for the trial, said in a statement. “The survival benefit is clear and large in those patients who are sick enough to require oxygen treatment.”

Professor Horby said that dexamethasone should now become the “standard of care in these patients,” noting that it is inexpensive, widely available and can be used immediately.

Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/16/world/coronavirus-live-updates.html

It is a commonly-used anti-inflammatory drug that is usually used for a variety of inflammatory conditions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dexamethasone

This is very good news.

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10: Going to a political rally where thousands of people are yelling their lungs out in an indoor space, shoulder to shoulder, spewing clouds of aerosol droplets and inhaling them, especially when most of the participants are in their 60's or above.

Even worse if it's a political convention that goes on for days.

What could possibly go wrong?

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Nothing, absolutely nothing.

In Estonia, city Tallinn 250 000 journeys in public transport daily.
Most of them in rush hour. In recommended space 2+2 shoud be 1 person
but in public transport on space 2+2 apporx 8-9 persons and no spread of covid.

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I wanted to know why people die in Estonia and looked Estonian official stats.

" Covid " deaths 69

But in every year deaths due ( average of last 18 years ) :
suicide 236
alcohol 406
freezing to death 74 ( and main reason alcohol )
drowning 62 ( main reason alcohol )

We will win covid but these deaths continue from year to year forever.

I don't see people go crazy and burning down the bars and nightclubs.
I don't see people push over alcohol shelf in supermarkets.

If human life is important then alcohol shoud banned.
I know we are lost generation but children who will born tomorrow
for them alcohol shoud be banned for life.

No parent want their child to start drinking and smoking.

And don't start to tell that its free choice.
Freedom restrictions due covid are consider normal but if alcohol is banned
then people go crazy you can't take away our free will...

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Nothing, absolutely nothing.

I hope you are right. There will soon be major US political campaigning for the coming election, and I am concerned for the people who attend large campaign rallies under these circumstances.


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I wanted to know why people die in Estonia and looked Estonian official stats.

" Covid " deaths 69

But in every year deaths due ( average of last 18 years ) :
suicide 236
alcohol 406
freezing to death 74 ( and main reason alcohol )
drowning 62 ( main reason alcohol )

I do not know anything about Estonia. In the United States, there have been, as of today's date, 116,567 reported deaths from Covid-19 as counted by Johns Hopkins University, a major medical university in the US. There have been, in the United States, 2,127,745 total cases reported. These numbers are essentially only since March, a few months' time.

World-wide, the number of reported cases is 8,092,109, the number of deaths is 438,806. These are not small numbers.

Again, I don't know anything about Estonia. The Johns Hopkins numbers for Estonia are in fact low: 1,975 cases, 69 deaths. Estonia apparently has been very fortunate, and I hope you continue to be. But other countries are not, for whatever reason, and simply saying that it is not a problem, anywhere, and that there is nothing to be concerned about, anywhere, is not supported by the numbers.

It is possible for reasonable people to have different ideas about how to deal with this situation. But the facts on the ground are what they are.

I hope Estonia continues to be safe and I hope for the fewest cases everywhere. I do not think this is a trivial issue that will just go away and that does not need to have any attention given to it. It also clearly is not over yet. These numbers are only growing.

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Just a personal note: I am really not sure that it serves any purpose any more for me to contribute to this thread and this topic, nor that this thread is actually adding anything new, from a trading perspective.

It's not that I have any doubt that the model of informed debate and give-and-take that futures.io is based on is a good thing -- it is an excellent thing. It's also definitely not that the little disagreement I have and have had with @lemons or anyone else means anything. @lemons is a friend, a good guy and an intelligent trader who has been here a long while and who has added to my understanding of trading, and to others' as well. I'm not worried if we don't agree on something. Disagreement is generally a good way to find what is better and what is closer to true.

But I have had to think about all of this, and my conclusion as of now is that opinions are pretty well fixed, on all sides of the issues, and that in fact there is not much trading-related information right now to be had here. Perhaps there will be at some time, but it will depend on whether the markets respond to covid news rather than what anyone thinks about the covid issues themselves.

Let me be clear that I personally think that the covid pandemic is a frigging world-wide disaster, and that not taking it as such is an incredible error, and one that people make at their personal peril, as it will affect everyone at many levels. But this is not directly a trading issue. I hope that all my many friends here will make good decisions about their personal health and survival, and I do think this is exactly how important the issues are. If someone thinks I'm wrong, or am overreacting or overstating the issue, well, it's not the first time. But these are my personal conclusions and I stand with them.

There is also obviously a huge economic impact of anything we do about the epidemic, whether we do nothing as a society or whether we do even more than we have done so far. But these are issues that can be addressed elsewhere, as and if they happen.

So I'll stop banging on the drum of the covid outbreak. I really hope that the people who disagree with me don't die or lose members of their families because of their beliefs, and of course, I don't want to either.

If something happens of a trading nature, which means basically anything relating to a market reaction, then I will be on it if I have anything to say. Otherwise, everyone stay safe and be well.

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... In the United States, there have been, as of today's date, 116,567 reported deaths from Covid-19 as counted by Johns Hopkins University, a major medical university in the US. There have been, in the United States, 2,127,745 total cases reported. These numbers are essentially only since March, a few months' time.

Again, I don't know anything about Estonia. The Johns Hopkins numbers for Estonia are in fact low: 1,975 cases, 69 deaths. Estonia apparently has been very fortunate, and I hope you continue to be. But other countries are not, for whatever reason, and simply saying that it is not a problem, anywhere, and that there is nothing to be concerned about, anywhere, is not supported by the numbers.


Bob.

But lets take last look of number and the forget then covid

Can we trust US numbers ?
Whole US hospital system is private property ?
I heard if hospital report covid patient / death they get Government support xxx $ ?

US mortality rate to covid more than 6 x bigger than in Estonia.
Its not 20-30 % difference its 669 %. Something is smelling / what I don't know.

I don't think than US people have very bad health and Estonians have perfect health.


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As i understand there is no overdead in USA neither in Sweden since a good wile back. Also new studies in sweden from bloodgivers in April-may show that 2 times more people had Specific T-cells against Covid-19 then had Antibodies.

At the time about 30 % of tested individuals which is about the same result that You get after a vaccination.

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The gene insertion method used is called “reverse genetics system 2.” Using this method, she inserted an HIV segment into a coronavirus discovered in horseshoe bats to make it more infectious and lethal.

major grants from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease. This is, of course, Dr. Anthony Fauci’s shop. Fauci was a big proponent of “gain of function” research

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in Sweden deaths have slowed to virtually zero.
They are over the Covid.
Never did lock-downs
no social distancing silliness

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... But I have had to think about all of this, and my conclusion as of now is that opinions are pretty well fixed, on all sides of the issues, and that in fact there is not much trading-related information right now to be had here. Perhaps there will be at some time, but it will depend on whether the markets respond to covid news rather than what anyone thinks about the covid issues themselves. ...

Bob.

Hello Bob
Thank you very much for your input - appreciate it much. However, in one point I have to say as an economist:

Objection, Your Honor!
The pandemic not only has an impact on the global economy, but has been affecting it for almost 9 months in the worst way:
-> Closed borders, no more flights, no more trade in goods means a disaster for the highly interconnected world of supply chains. This situation is economically fatal. Especially the killed trade contracts internationally:
-> Trade wars are now being fought unrestrained and largely misused for political purposes (USA / China). Poor countries become poorer and rich countries become richer.
-> As @montanajtt explained earlier, Wuhan is not the center of the corona eruption. He mentioned Italy in December 2019, but now more unknown pneumonia have appeared in Eastern France in October 2019, most likely based on Covid19 (very close to where I live, by the way).
-> From a global economic point of view, billions of new money have been pumped into the markets in recent months and for the past 3 years (fiat money), which should support stock prices. To some extent this has been achieved. The question now is, what happens to the oversupply afterwards? Recession is already here, depression is another consequence.
-> It is plausible that this international action to close borders, paralysis of international trade routes and assert national interests could have a financial policy background (currency reforms). This would have even more influence on the markets and especially on the trader - namely us!
-> As a trader, we have been seeing extreme price fluctuations for the last 9 months, which are a sign of what is yet to come. Analogous to seismic activity before the volcanic eruption.
In order to make it clear that I am not painting a black picture here, but rather presenting some objective correlations, I think it is important that this thread is central and every trader should form his own opinion.
In this sense, I wish an open thread for all opinions - everyone can get deeper information thanks to the input.
Conclusion - the thread is recommended to every trader so that he doesn't live in a bubble, but remains open and vigilant across borders in order not to suffer (foreseeable) losses.
Covid19 HAS a strong impact for every trader - every day. Be aware!

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just saw this:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-to-reveal-coronavirus-breakthrough-therapeutic-wh-press-secretary-says

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Just a personal note: I am really not sure that it serves any purpose any more for me to contribute to this thread and this topic, nor that this thread is actually adding anything new, from a trading perspective.

...

So I'll stop banging on the drum of the covid outbreak. I really hope that the people who disagree with me don't die or lose members of their families because of their beliefs, and of course, I don't want to either.

If something happens of a trading nature, which means basically anything relating to a market reaction, then I will be on it if I have anything to say. Otherwise, everyone stay safe and be well.

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Thank you very much for your input - appreciate it much. However, in one point I have to say as an economist:
...
Covid19 HAS a strong impact for every trader - every day. Be aware!

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My reference here was to the question, which I regard as beyond remarkable, of whether there is in fact a covid-19 pandemic, or whether there is anything we should do about it, or whether anyone has actually died of it, or whether it's just the flu, or whether it is all a political hoax, or any of the many variations on these that seek to minimize it. The question has simply become whether -- at least in the United States -- you support one political point of view or the other. And there is no yielding on the issue. It seems to be somewhat the same elsewhere, although not so intense.

In fact, I think nothing has had as big an impact on the entire world as this pandemic. But I do not think there is any possibility of a non-political, non-ideological discussion on any of the issues.

So I have absented myself, as someone who has better things to do than debate politics on the internet.

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Fatality rate of 2019-nCoV compared to other viruses

Given the fact that actual numbers of infected Covid cases and the counted deaths are not very good based by confirmed statistics** - we need to compare the threat to the world in comparison with other viruses from the past:
Comparison Deaths Corona

source & more: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/

Looking at the numbers only - we can see that there are some much more potent viruses in world than the actual CoVid19 one.
If we then see the massive lockdown 2020 that never happened before in this way we just have to think about for ourselves...
It is to point out here that at the beginning many infected people were 60+. So the mortality in the beginning was quite high. After the first wave the mortality came down to nearly zero. But the younger people (20-30y.) are now the large group being infected. They do not have a high mortality rate and are quickly back on the feet - not using treatment in hospital etc. So the effect of the first wave is not even in sight. Therefore a second lockdown seems not necessary.

** A very good article (viewpoint) on death cases by Manuel Battegay - University Basel/Switzerland here:
https://smw.ch/article/doi/smw.2020.20203
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2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV): estimating the case fatality rate – a word of caution
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The gene insertion method used is called “reverse genetics system 2.” Using this method, she inserted an HIV segment into a coronavirus discovered in horseshoe bats to make it more infectious and lethal.

major grants from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease. This is, of course, Dr. Anthony Fauci’s shop. Fauci was a big proponent of “gain of function” research

I keep reading this over on reddit (r/Wuhan_Flu but also other subs); both aspects:
a) that the virus contains HIV gene sequences and
b) that Fauci is responsible for funding this research over there because doing it here is illegal.
It appears that these truths are undisputed and obvious (the virus genome has been sequenced and academic papers published saying it contains HIV gene sequences), but of course it sounds like pure "crazy person" nonsense.

My question is, if theses truths are actually true, why is not one single western mainstream news source even talking about it?? No North American, no European, no Australian, no Israeli, no South African.

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I keep reading this over on reddit (r/Wuhan_Flu but also other subs); both aspects:
a) that the virus contains HIV gene sequences and
b) that Fauci is responsible for funding this research over there because doing it here is illegal.
It appears that these truths are undisputed and obvious (the virus genome has been sequenced and academic papers published saying it contains HIV gene sequences), but of course it sounds like pure "crazy person" nonsense.

My question is, if theses truths are actually true, why is not one single western mainstream news source even talking about it?? No North American, no European, no Australian, no Israeli, no South African.

The information - gene splicing - has been known since January
The illegality of GAINS research - since March

Fauci is a bad person with strong political connections
MSM is controlled by MS money who controls politics

Money does evil things for more money and more power

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Your question should not be
"If these things were actually true....

Rather
"Why is the truth concealed ....

The implied assumption in the first is that you are getting the truth and the motivation of MSM is the truth and that if it isn't in MSM then it can't be true.

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One positive step at a time, by one team of scientists, one of numerous teams around the world.

"University of Queensland researchers spearheading the development of a COVID-19 vaccine have presented the final results from their animal model tests, showing their vaccine is safe and produces a good immune response, and can be manufactured in large quantities once finalised......."

I hope the link works:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/queensland/uq-vaccine-safe-effective-and-can-be-mass-produced-researchers-say-20200825-p55p8u.html

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@guidoisot I have just deleted the post containing a link pointing to a rogue website.

This is not EliteTrader or another one of those online communities where the weaponization of fake news for political purposes is welcome.

I don't mind that people have different opinions about anything but when it comes to health issues I am not going to be a silent participant while people (whether unwittingly or not) contribute to the spread of misleading information.

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I'm not a scientist, but a quick scan of these pages suggests that many folks don't even understand how science gets done.

In layperson's terms, it's with the following process:

1- have a theory
2- test the theory
3- write up your results
4- share your results in what's called a 'preprint'
5- they will be checked by other scientists in what's called the 'peer review' process
6- if it passes 'peer review' your results are published in a journal
7- your results are then assumed to be fact, until and unless anyone else comes along later and somehow (this is rare) either finds a mistake that everyone missed, or builds on your conclusion(s).

Science is objective, and has relied on crowdsourcing for centuries before that was even a word. Although the crowdsourcing that science uses is one of an extremely accomplished crowd.... you have to be a scientist to be part of the peer review process. And scientists love nothing more than finding mistakes and holes in their peers' work because it makes them look good.

You just make yourself look silly if you link to a forum, a social media post, or a .pdf, that claims to contain facts, if they have not been through the accepted peer review process.

Like any process, it is not perfect, but it's VERY close to perfect and it's the basis to pretty much everything in our world; the technology we use, the healthcare we depend on, the food we eat, what we know to be true and untrue. So please don't now link me to the very odd occasion where it's gone wrong; outliers are called that for a reason.

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Interesting numbers from the CDC. Only 6% of the deaths were caused by COVID-19 by itself. The other 94% had underlying health issues or were older Americans.


Here is the link to the CDC statement: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities



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Interesting numbers from the CDC. Only 6% of the deaths were caused by COVID-19 by itself. The other 94% had underlying health issues or were older Americans.


Here is the link to the CDC statement: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

...And here's the link to today's counter statement of Dr. Anthony Fauci:

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2020/09/02/dr-fauci-debunks-theory-of-low-cdc-coronavirus-death-tollsays-us-has-over-183000-covid-19-deaths.html?utm_campaign=cityfalcon&utm_medium=cityfalcon&utm_source=cityfalcon

So, IMO it's really getting harder and harder to recognize what is right and what is wrong...

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...And here's the link to today's counter statement of Dr. Anthony Fauci:

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2020/09/02/dr-fauci-debunks-theory-of-low-cdc-coronavirus-death-tollsays-us-has-over-183000-covid-19-deaths.html?utm_campaign=cityfalcon&utm_medium=cityfalcon&utm_source=cityfalcon

So, IMO it's really getting harder and harder to recognize what is right and what is wrong...

This statement is very misleading.


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White House coronavirus advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci confirmed on Tuesday that more than 180,000 people in the U.S. have died from Covid-19. Fauci’s comments come after some have claimed a new CDC update indicates only 6 percent of the nation’s total reported Covid-19 deaths were actually from the virus, and the remaining percent died of “other serious illnesses.”

Not surprising though coming from the MSM. The actual report says 6% of the people had COVID-19 listed as the cause of death on their death certificates and nothing else. The other 94% of the people COVID-19 and another, sometimes multiple, causes of death listed on their death certificate. If you look at the causes of deaths listed you realize the vast majority of these people had underlying health conditions which combined with COVID-19 caused them to succumb to the virus or the virus just happened to be present in their system at the time of death. Think heart attack or drug overdose.

As a numbers guy, you realize the chances of dying from COVID-19 by itself is not likely if you are healthy just as the dying from the flu is not likely if you are healthy. Not to say it will not happen, case and point the 6% who did die, but it is highly unlikely.

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This statement is very misleading.



Not surprising though coming from the MSM. The actual report says 6% of the people had COVID-19 listed as the cause of death on their death certificates and nothing else. The other 94% of the people COVID-19 and another, sometimes multiple, causes of death listed on their death certificate. If you look at the causes of deaths listed you realize the vast majority of these people had underlying health conditions which combined with COVID-19 caused them to succumb to the virus or the virus just happened to be present in their system at the time of death. Think heart attack or drug overdose.

As a numbers guy, you realize the chances of dying from COVID-19 by itself is not likely if you are healthy just as the dying from the flu is not likely if you are healthy. Not to say it will not happen, case and point the 6% who did die, but it is highly unlikely.

Robert

Well....to be honest, I can't agree nor contradict your thesis just because I haven't the complete insight into all necessary statistical data as well as all the hard facts...and I honestly think NO ONE around here has, while too many different authorities and experts outbid each other with theories and 'truths', not only in the US but in other countries as well.

So I wouldn't dare to state that my knowledge of ALL facts and data is even almost 'complete'...therefore I try to extract the available information as best I can in order to form my opinion.

And IMHO this is the right of everyone as well as drawing his own conclusions in this confusing (and sometimes misleading) mass of 'information', which sometimes appears more than difficult...

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The receptor-binding motif of SARS-CoV-2 Spike cannot be born from nature and should have been created through genetic engineering.

The Spike proteins decorate the exterior of the coronavirus particles. They play an important role in infection as they mediate the interaction with host cell receptors and thereby help determine the host range and tissue tropism of the virus. The Spike protein is split into two halves (Figure 3). The front or N-terminal half is named S1, which is fully responsible for binding the host receptor. In both SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2 infections, the host cell receptor is hACE2. Within S1, a segment of around 70 amino acids makes direct contacts with hACE2 and is correspondingly named the receptor-binding motif (RBM) (Figure 3C). In SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2, the RBM fully determines the interaction with hACE2. The C-terminal half of the Spike protein is named S2. The main function of S2 includes maintaining trimer formation and, upon successive protease cleavages at the S1/S2 junction and a downstream S2’ position, mediating membrane fusion to enable cellular entry of the virus.
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https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/rogue-chinese-virologist-joins-twitter-publishes-evidence-covid-19-created-lab

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^There is an interview with that person in the news. Not sure if that is posted here, so here it is:

https://youtu.be/7Lq3_rsBJ9w

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the real reason for lockdowns and social distancing is the feardemic.
At first the talk was "flattened the curve" to avoid a rush of cases at the hospitals.
It was not about preventing infections just flattening the curve.

When they found that deaths were no more than a regular flu (Canada 8k vs 8k) the
anti was upped. We didn't close work places and do social distancing (not medical studies for this prior to its implementation) .

CWPASD= close work places and social distancing

in 2019 no CWPASD
in 2018 no CWPASD
in 2017 no CWPASD
in 2016 no CWPASD
in 2015 no CWPASD
in 2014 no CWPASD
in 2013 no CWPASD
in 2012 no CWPASD
in 2011 no CWPASD
etc...

The damaging economic effects are not from the wuhan flu but from the govts response, CWPASD.

The feardemic must continue so now the war cry is
"prevent infections"
and
"vaccine, vaccine, vaccine"

There is a lot of stupidity going on.
The flu vaccine (shot) must be change each 6 months and increases you odds of getting the flu
by 38%.
getting the flu no vaccine = 2%
getting the flu with vaccine = 2.46%

Australia has onll 837 deaths yet draconian measures are being implemented.

"In a glimpse of what is ahead, authorities have already arrested a Melbourne woman for allegedly writing pro-anti lockdown posts on social media."

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/pregnant-australian-mother-arrested-her-home-over-facebook-lockdown-protest-post

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It is natural to fear a pandemic produced by a virus which is only 10 months old. Numbers do not lie. I use the following sites: John Hopkins University, Washington University and Domo coronavirus tracker. The statistics are horrible. The fact of the matter is that people keep dying and going to hospitals. I have lost 10 family members and friends. I do not want to join the statistics. The reasons why USA ststistics are depressing is for not using mask,keeping social distance and washing hands. If people do not have discipline they will end up joining the statistics.
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It is natural to fear a pandemic produced by a virus which is only 10 months old. Numbers do not lie. I use the following sites: John Hopkins University, Washington University and Domo coronavirus tracker. The statistics are horrible. The fact of the matter is that people keep dying and going to hospitals. I have lost 10 family members and friends. I do not want to join the statistics. The reasons why USA ststistics are depressing is for not using mask,keeping social distance and washing hands. If people do not have discipline they will end up joining the statistics.
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I must respectfully disagree with some of your last posted opinions on Covid19. As an Australian living in Victoria/Melbourne which has the highest rate of infections and deaths, let me provide local context:

On your "Australia has onll 837 deaths yet draconian measures are being implemented".
This should read (as many many of us in Australia are directly aware: Australia has 'only' 837 deaths, BECAUSE we implemented strict public health measures, from the very start.

We did not want to end up like China, Italy, etc (Brazil, UK and the US were still in their infancy on this, in spite of the carnage in other countries, with their populist leaders ridiculing the idea that Covid was dangerous...I generalize, on the degree of ridicule which was doled out....some more bizarre than others )

We have currently implemented a 2nd lock down in my state of Victoria, because one of the first quarantine centres in Melbourne was badly managed leading to a rapid spike in infections in the general community. This was due to unprofessional (criminally negligent) behaviour of contractors managing the quarantine area and a government stuff-up, locally. These fatality numbers have now fallen to between 3-8 per day, with daily new infections around 32 - 45 per day. Yes it has a radical impact on livelihoods and almost everyone is reeling. However, we prefer to have temporary shut down, rather than deaths in the tens of thousands...Let me repeat...we'd rather do this, than have deaths in the tens of thousands.

As to the Covid being created deliberately. That falsehood has been debunked numerous times. I find it amazing that the extremely biased Tucker Carlson - with a Talking Head - saying they have evidence and then some photos of a Chinese facility, is taken as constituting evidence. Tucker Carlson basically runs infomercials for Trump (Like Pravda for Putin) and will host conspiratory theories by the bucket-load, if they support various unsubstantiated baitings by Donald Trump.

Maybe others can add to the debunking of misinformation, but here are just a few sources.

https://www.bu.edu/neidl/2020/03/coronavirus-did-not-come-from-a-lab-experts-debunk-myths-that-chinese-or-american-military-engineered-covid-19-as-a-bio-weapon/
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/nine-covid-19-myths-that-just-wont-go-away/
https://www.wired.com/story/opinion-how-one-particular-coronavirus-myth-went-viral/
https://theconversation.com/pasha-66-coronavirus-conspiracy-theories-and-myths-139590

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this interview speaks for itself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFlqXPl_hZQ


Yep, pretty much any interview by Tucker Carlson, who is part of politicizing a disease, speaks for itself. He's never met a fact he couldn't mangle, and rarely meets a conservative conspiracy he can't embrace.

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Yep, pretty much any interview by Tucker Carlson, who is part of politicizing a disease, speaks for itself. He's never met a fact he couldn't mangle, and rarely meets a conservative conspiracy he can't embrace.

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I'm afraid I don't follow MSM enough to speak to Tucker.
I posted the interview clip because Twitter censored the Chinese Dr.

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Aquarian1,

I must respectfully disagree with some of your last posted opinions on Covid19. As an Australian living in Victoria/Melbourne which has the highest rate of infections and deaths, let me provide local context:

On your "Australia has onll 837 deaths yet draconian measures are being implemented".
This should read (as many many of us in Australia are directly aware: Australia has 'only' 837 deaths, BECAUSE we implemented strict public health measures, from the very start.

We did not want to end up like China, Italy, etc (Brazil, UK and the US were still in their infancy on this, in spite of the carnage in other countries, with their populist leaders ridiculing the idea that Covid was dangerous...I generalize, on the degree of ridicule which was doled out....some more bizarre than others )

We have currently implemented a 2nd lock down in my state of Victoria, because one of the first quarantine centres in Melbourne was badly managed leading to a rapid spike in infections in the general community. This was due to unprofessional (criminally negligent) behaviour of contractors managing the quarantine area and a government stuff-up, locally. These fatality numbers have now fallen to between 3-8 per day, with daily new infections around 32 - 45 per day. Yes it has a radical impact on livelihoods and almost everyone is reeling. However, we prefer to have temporary shut down, rather than deaths in the tens of thousands...Let me repeat...we'd rather do this, than have deaths in the tens of thousands.

As to the Covid being created deliberately. That falsehood has been debunked numerous times. I find it amazing that the extremely biased Tucker Carlson - with a Talking Head - saying they have evidence and then some photos of a Chinese facility, is taken as constituting evidence. Tucker Carlson basically runs infomercials for Trump (Like Pravda for Putin) and will host conspiratory theories by the bucket-load, if they support various unsubstantiated baitings by Donald Trump.

Maybe others can add to the debunking of misinformation, but here are just a few sources.

https://www.bu.edu/neidl/2020/03/coronavirus-did-not-come-from-a-lab-experts-debunk-myths-that-chinese-or-american-military-engineered-covid-19-as-a-bio-weapon/
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/nine-covid-19-myths-that-just-wont-go-away/
https://www.wired.com/story/opinion-how-one-particular-coronavirus-myth-went-viral/
https://theconversation.com/pasha-66-coronavirus-conspiracy-theories-and-myths-139590

Cheers

Thanks.

I am reminded of the joke:
A fellow is out walking and sees a neighbour scattering peanut shells on his lawn.
"Excuse me friend why are you scattering peanut shells on your lawn?"
- To keep away elephants.
"But there are no elephants here."
-See- it works!

The is a logical fallacy between result and casaulity. Sweden is done. new deaths are a trickle.
The deaths in Australia from homelessness, fear and loss of income would probably be a substantial amount.

However, you can look up the number who have died each year in Australia from the "regular" flu and pneumonia. No doubt you will see that it is same as Yuhan manufactured flu.

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The receptor-binding motif of SARS-CoV-2 Spike cannot be born from nature and should have been created through genetic engineering.

The Spike proteins decorate the exterior of the coronavirus particles. They play an important role in infection as they mediate the interaction with host cell receptors and thereby help determine the host range and tissue tropism of the virus. The Spike protein is split into two halves (Figure 3). The front or N-terminal half is named S1, which is fully responsible for binding the host receptor. In both SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2 infections, the host cell receptor is hACE2. Within S1, a segment of around 70 amino acids makes direct contacts with hACE2 and is correspondingly named the receptor-binding motif (RBM) (Figure 3C). In SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2, the RBM fully determines the interaction with hACE2. The C-terminal half of the Spike protein is named S2. The main function of S2 includes maintaining trimer formation and, upon successive protease cleavages at the S1/S2 junction and a downstream S2’ position, mediating membrane fusion to enable cellular entry of the virus.
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Let me remind all participants that politics, political theories and any other theories are out of place in futures.io, which is a trading forum.

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Let me remind all participants that politics, political theories and any other theories are out of place in futures.io, which is a trading forum.

There is a relevance to the covid situation in relation to economics and to the markets, but let us keep the discussion focused primarily on trading issues that arise from the topic.

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Bob, I agree regarding politics. However, if we're going to have people posting false and misleading information that is not subsequently taken down, I feel like said information ought to be countered. Fact is, people ought not post BS information. That said, I will stand aside.

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Covid affect on traders?

Should not be too much. We trade from home anyway.

On a personal level, we (my trading wife and I) have to wonder what has happened to the critical thinking abilities of our fellow Americans and Australians (as my trading wife is Aussie).

This fiasco is reminiscent of 9/11. With the deaths of 4500 ish folks, our society was affected in that commerce came almost to a standstill. I call it overreacting.

I believe it is completely bizarre to alter the lives of over 300 million residents because a tragedy occurred to a very small percentage of the population.

Here is a sane response to covid:

That "dangerous governor of South Dakota" did not lock down the state. No masks mandated.

Here are the stats from today taken from Google:

200 deaths (of course that number is probably untruthful)
18,444 cases.
Population: 858,469

Just using the larger number that of the cases:

18,444 divided by 858,469 equals: .02148.

.02148-100(percent) equal: 99.97852.

So.... In South Dakota, the governor believes that she does not want to punish the 99.97852 percent of the residents by altering their daily working lives and wreak havoc on their citizenry for the microscopic amount of folks affected by covid. She has a critical thinking mind!

So, take any city, any region and yes even Victoria QLD. or Melbourne Victoria. Do the math. You will come up with the same stats. Right around 99.99 percent unaffected.

So the argument that lockdowns are the reason for curbing the infection rate does not hold water. See South Dakota. See Sweden.

When the news says: "cases double this week" can mean that cases went from 2 up to 4.

Fellow traders, we trade by probabilities. Pick any location on the planet and the probability is that there is a 99.9% chance that I won't or you won't get covid yet alone die from it.

If I see a trade that has a 99.9% chance of a good outcome, boy you better believe I will take it.

There is a higher chance that I will get hit by a rogue bullet from my distant neighbor target practicing or killing that grizzly in his yard than me getting covid.

If you want to see Orwell's "1984" in action, just youtube Melbourne Australia news. You will see the unmasked police carrying away peaceful protestors protesting the unending lockdown decimating the lives of workers, small business and employees.

That's why here in Montana, we like a well armed community. Unfortunately for Australia, self protection is limited to a 1.5 inch pocket knife and a pitchfork.

Unfortunately, my former home of 59 years (Seattle 20, Leavenworth 39) is a few steps behind Australia. Ya'all enjoy your serfdom.

To our friend in Point Roberts, I trust that you will be able to navigate being isolated up there. Very irritating for all the kids too that play sports there. If you get sick of it, Montana has lots of room for people who love their freedom.

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There is a relevance to the covid situation in relation to economics and to the markets, but let us keep the discussion focused primarily on trading issues that arise from the topic.

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I think you can add coronavirus to the laundy list of Things That Divide People. Everyone has the data to support what they want to be true...errrrrrrr...what they think is true. () And everyone seems pretty certain that the other side is populated by unreasonable actors. Maybe this is anecdotal, I suspect it isn't, but it seems like a common phenomenon that people are letting their political biases shape the way they view the pandemic. Which is...un-rigorous. So it becomes silly when people get excited about this stuff in that way. (Or maybe I'm a jerk. )

But I think this ties into trading. I think the coronavirus pandemic, in a way, exposes our proclivity to allow our biases to shape our projections. We naturally want to think that those taking the other side of the trade are ludicrous. It's easier to allow some data to have greater weight than other data if it supports what we want to be true...errrr, think is true...errrrr, is true? We welcome confirmation bias because it is nurturing and nice and indulgent. . I think the reasons most people fail at trading are all behavioral. While we are trading these idiotic behaviors make our accounts go bye-bye. In real life we get away with being idiots. .

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Most probably not since blodgivers already 2015 have been found being immune at the time of giving blod. It has been around for along time chopping around until it finally made a breakout to add some trading terms.

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Most probably not since blodgivers already 2015 have been found being immune at the time of giving blod. It has been around for along time chopping around until it finally made a breakout to add some trading terms.

Ah, now we know where those Minnesota Swedes get their great sense of humor!

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Hi @aquarian1,

While this clip features a political figure, and there are parts of it that are about his political views on other matters, the covid-19 portion is more about the question of when herd immunity is reached and is not overtly political (one could argue otherwise, but not at least on the face of it.) For that reason, it has been allowed to stand, even though it skirts the edges of politics, including in the covid-19 section.

I just want to caution everyone again about politics as opposed to trading information. The covid situation inspires strong feelings and strong views, but this forum is dedlicated to trading, and political issues do not have a place here. Since politics and the effects of the virus will impact the markets, there is a place for discussion of the possible impact it may have on markets, but not to express political opinions on either side.

With the election approaching and with covid having emerged as an important election issue, the no-politics stance of futures.io is doubly important.

Pure political expressions will be deleted as inappropriate. Posts that skirt politics will be assessed on a case-by-case basis, but adding to the political controversy is not the mission of this forum, and whether it does or not will be the basis for any decision.

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Hi @aquarian1,

While this clip features a political figure, and there are parts of it that are about his political views on other matters, the covid-19 portion is more about the question of when herd immunity is reached and is not overtly political (one could argue otherwise, but not at least on the face of it.) For that reason, it has been allowed to stand, even though it skirts the edges of politics, including in the covid-19 section.

I just want to caution everyone again about politics as opposed to trading information. The covid situation inspires strong feelings and strong views, but this forum is dedlicated to trading, and political issues do not have a place here. Since politics and the effects of the virus will impact the markets, there is a place for discussion of the possible impact it may have on markets, but not to express political opinions on either side.

With the election approaching and with covid having emerged as an important election issue, the no-politics stance of futures.io is doubly important.

Pure political expressions will be deleted as inappropriate. Posts that skirt politics will be assessed on a case-by-case basis, but adding to the political controversy is not the mission of this forum, and whether it does or not will be the basis for any decision.

There are plenty of places on the internet for politics, but this is not one of them. I hope everyone takes this to heart going forward.

Thanks.

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Hi Bob,
This video was posted about herd immunity in NY and the gentleman quotes John Hopkins university and Journal of Science with new information on the mathematics of herd immunity in New York - "if there are not a significant number of new deaths in New York in the next few weeks herd immunity has been reached."

Fauci has invested interests in making the Yuhan flu worst than it should be so as to promote his vaccine interests.

I am not aware of what part is political but I have no way or time to edit youtube clips. (I have no interest in USA politics and its circle of absurdities).

This is in off-topic which is for non-trading issues "Anything not to do with trading."

Beware of the corruption of power, censorship and the destruction of the constitution amendment for free speech. I am dismayed at your post.

Please provide the specific link to the futures.io policy you are citing so I may more fully informed of the Draconian edict.



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  • The virus started in Wuhan
  • It probably came from a bio-lab where a scientist was trying to make a flu so strong even bats would die from it
  • It may have spread from the bio-warfare alb to the live market only a few 300m away
  • Suppressing the info the flu until the first death (~8 Jan)
  • reports are in that the Chinese are cremating the bodies and lying about the body count.
  • quarantines are stringent and too little to late
  • jail-time 7yrs awaits those that non-govt approved info
  • The WHO director receives large amounts of money from the Chinese govt downplays the virus
  • CDC has been refused entry into China until a couple of days ago.
  • 1/2 of the Chinese pop is now under quarantine
  • the Chinese workers have been ordered to return to work
  • Hong Kong closes schools and many ex-pats are leaving to continuing their childrens school studies abroad
  • food hording is adding to Hong Kong pressures
  • The flu can be asymptotic for 14 days and those people infecting others may show no systems making screening by temperature not effective in this period
  • the virus can live many days (9+) on surfaces both hard and soft surfaces - CCP is reported burning currency in heavily infected areas
  • the flu spreads though the air and a sneeze or cough can fill the air with tiny droplets
  • both mask and eye protection are needed
  • The US flies home 14 Americans off the Japanese quarantined ship on a plane with 300 others.
  • Tokyo cancels its enormous annual marathon
  • In Spain a large annual hi-tech conference is cancelled
  • Apple announces delays in iPhone production from Chinese plant
  • Some investment houses forecast GDP slow-downs

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I have generated 473 posts, 37,149 views for futures.io
with this thread located in Traders Hideout

37,000 views is not insignificant traffic for the site - generating add revenue and hits to increase the value of the site.

The site is for traders.

In off-topic we have things like joke of the day - health - exercise - and so on.
Off-topic is for traders to relax in and NOT FOR TRADING topics.

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@aquarian1, your questions raise legitimate points.

Let me respond as I see it, and I hope with fairness.

The forum is meant as a place for traders to discuss any issue freely, without the personal conflict that is common on the internet. The moderators sometimes have to intervene, but we want to be fair and to keep the right balance. This can be a difficult job, and we may not always succeed. It is actually not in my nature to tell people what to do, and I may not do it well.

Reading over the recent posts, I think I did not manage the correct balance, so let me try it again.

The issue that I was addressing was the potential for political disagreement to spiral out of hand. We have seen this recently in other cases in other threads, where current issues that are currently contentious politically also set members at odds over things that have nothing to do with trading. It was with this in mind that I made my comments on the video clip you posted, which featured a prominent and vocal member of one of the political parties.

Note that I said that "the covid-19 portion is more about the question of when herd immunity is reached and is not overtly political." I understand that you could not edit out the non-covid-19 sections, and have no problem with that, since the other parts were not why you had included the clip. The herd immunity question is important and relevant.

Your post itself did not have a political motivation, nor was it in violation of any rules about member conduct. My concern was about the polarizing effect when political arguments arise, and I wanted to call attention to that. I stated it wrongly with regard to your post, and somewhat overdid it overall, and I apologize.

I envy you when you say you have no interest in USA politics, and wish I could not either. But the political parties have made the coronavirus one of the major issues -- specifically, whether it's serious or not, or false or not, and which party is at fault and which party is telling the truth about it or not.

There is no desire to censor your posts. If you or anyone posts something that is simply stating a position and citing sources and evidence, which is what you have done, there is no problem. If someone else disagrees with that position and provides counter-evidence, there is also no problem, even if the disagreements get passionate. This is called debate, and is fine.

But if someone, anyone, starts to repeat campaign slogans and political rhetoric, and moves things in a divisive direction, that will be another matter, and will be a problem. This is what I should have said at the time. I also should have been clear it was a general warning, not aimed at you, and why I thought it was necessary.

I hope I am making it clear now what I'm trying to say. I am certainly not perfect, and may get things wrong, and may be wrong now. But this is done out of wanting the forum to succeed in providing a place for traders to have discussions on an amicable and mutually respectful basis. This view on politics, that it has no place in the forum, is also the settled position of the entire moderation team and @Big Mike, and we have had extensive discussions about it well before this latest issue arose.

So, this is my expanded explanation of what I was driving at, and I hope it clarifies matters.

Bob.

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Lets get real for real

Covid deaths in Estonia 64
Deaths directly caused alcohol 299*
Deaths by alcohol poisoning 105* ( included in 299 )

What is alcohol poisoning ? You drink too much and you are dead in couple of hours !

* on same period of covid deahts.

Covid is nothing compared what really kills people !

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Bob thank-you for your post above.
I appreciate it.
I think that perhaps breaking the post into two posts may have been better.
The general warning in a second.
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In researching the harmful effects of 5G on the human body I went to a youtube of the FCC head being grilled in congress about the fact they still hadn't done the study congress requested over 3 years ago. Now to be grilled in congress it is almost always by a congressman/woman.

That does not make the G5 youtube a politcal video because a congress person is doing the grilling.

Ditto the grilling a Fauci.

I think the phrasing used bothered me and I responded to it as an "attack".

I do feel strongly about free speech.
  • Skirting the edge = imlication +> I was trying to sneak something by. Wrong.
  • "Featured" a politician = wrong it "contained" a congressman grilling Fauci
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Bob thank-you for your post above.
I appreciate it.
I think that perhaps breaking the post into two posts may have been better.
The general warning in a second.
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In researching the harmful effects of 5G on the human body I went to a youtube of the FCC head being grilled in congress about the fact they still hadn't done the study congress requested over 3 years ago. Now to be grilled in congress it is almost always by a congressman/woman.

That does not make the G5 youtube a politcal video because a congress person is doing the grilling.

Ditto the grilling a Fauci.

I think the phrasing used bothered me and I responded to it as an "attack".

I do feel strongly about free speech.
  • Skirting the edge = imlication +> I was trying to sneak something by. Wrong.
  • "Featured" a politician = wrong it "contained" a congressman grilling Fauci
Should you find a video about the studies on herd immunity and I'm find with deleting my post of the video.

The video's not a problem, and I think that by now enough has been said (by me at least) to make the points I had in mind.

I do see how the phrasing would sound as it did, and that was my mistake in word choice. As well as my not seeing how another person would take something, which I usually am more alert to.

So I think I'm done, at least.

Thanks for the response. I did want to be sure I cleaned things up.

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This article is very interesting:

https://intermarketandmore.finanza.com/covid-19-e-le-grandi-pandemie-del-passato-90183.html

COVID-19 and the great pandemics of the past:

If we listen to television, if we read the newspapers, we seem to be living in the nightmare of the Covid-19, a pandemic disaster never seen before.



However, we must be realistic. It is true that the number of deaths and about 24 million infected makes an impression, but if we try to look back, making the necessary proportions (since today there are 6 billion on planet Earth), how devastating is this Covid-19 percentage?

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Shaban, your thoughts are appreciated. When I was in grade/primary school in the 60's, there was a TV show called "The Twilight Zone". The cast would find themselves in strange, weird and bizarre situations.

When I walk into a store with most of the shoppers wearing masks, I remember that show. People look like drones. And the stares, folks wondering why I DON'T wear a mask. If they believe masks work, then they should be "safe" huh?

Very sad times. I understand the perversity of government edicts, but the most frightening part is the blind allegiance that the "not vulnerable" folks pay to the government so they will stay "safe".

No smiling at passerby's. I feel sorry for the young men and women who hope to see a pretty face and get a date.

I wonder what Pavorotti, Carreras and Domingo would sound like singing with masks on?

My late father told me when I was just a lad, "son, the most important thing to have in this life is COMMON SENSE!".

I glad that you are of the few that seem to have it.

Thanks for your post!

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This article is very interesting:

https://intermarketandmore.finanza.com/covid-19-e-le-grandi-pandemie-del-passato-90183.html

COVID-19 and the great pandemics of the past:

If we listen to television, if we read the newspapers, we seem to be living in the nightmare of the Covid-19, a pandemic disaster never seen before.



However, we must be realistic. It is true that the number of deaths and about 24 million infected makes an impression, but if we try to look back, making the necessary proportions (since today there are 6 billion on planet Earth), how devastating is this Covid-19 percentage?

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Shaban,

Those stats are incomplete. We are in the middle of a Pandemic, not the end. In fact we have no idea how long this will play out, for a wide variety of reasons. One example (just one example): There have been patients who have had it, been 'cured and get reinfected. So statistical comparisons are inaccurate at this point.....the bus is still going over the cliff.In fact the rate of new infections in Europe: 41% of all new infections are amongst 20 -25 year olds, who think that they are invulnerable, or take other risks. (Epidemologists at Universiy of NSW / Sydney)

Then there are the effects on some of those (not all) who were infected, get well but endure what is now being called 'Long Covid', by epidemologists. That is, months and months of serious ill health with wide ranging symptoms which may mirror anything from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, to inflamed brains, to persistent headaches for months and months. Epidemologists are trying to figure out to what extent this will show up as weakened immune system for years to come and the long term risk for other diseases, including infertility.What kind of a hit to personal and public resorces will that be?

Mask wearing and social distancing as prescribed by medical experts (not by common sense), plus contract tracing: This has been implemented in Australia, New Zealand and other countries, to drive the spikes and infection and death rates down to almost zero. Absolutely it works. We have poven it in Melbourne, where I live, as have many other places.

On so called "Common Sense": It used to tell us that the earth was flat, that there are pinpiricks in the dome over the earth, called stars...and when scientists / experts in the field object with reasoned data, they are ridiculed....or worse.

These stats hide immense complexities and tragedies and I'll note just one out of many many layers: Globally (because many have chosen to ignore the best of science), doctors and nurses have lost their lives in the thousands, trying to protect those who have been infected.

When it comes to technolgy (i-phone, broker's platform etc) we trust science, when we shoot for the moon, or mars, we trust science. When we take that flight from city to city, we trust science. When it comes to this pandemic....what do so many do?

I will stop posting on this issue, which has and is (unfortunately) one of life and death.

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POTUS tested positive, will be interesting to see how markets react.

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G'day Sienna,

I'm sure that you are confident in trusting the experts. I'm glad that you can trust efforts are being made to keep you safe.

In closing, it comes down to choice and world view. You have clearly laid out your stance.

With that said, there are those of us who base our reasoning on a different foundation.

Here are the basics of that thinking:

1. Sickness and death are part of life. We are not going to get out of this world alive.
2. With the minuscule number of deaths globally due to Covid being less that .01% of the population, it CRIMINAL to alter the SUPER MAJORITIE'S life, income stream and pursuit of happiness (as guaranteed in our Constitution). Normalcy as we have know it for decade upon decade has taken an ugly turn.
3. Businesses have shut their doors for good as they cannot operate without customers. Debt is rapidly increasing personally and governmentally. Bailouts for corps. Helicopter money (small amounts) for individuals. Money printing to cover said practices debases the current currencies and screws up the economy for us and future generaions.
4. Suicide is on the rise.
5. People are not free to move about in many areas.

So lockdown if you wish. Wear a mask if you wish. You are free to do so.

I know that it is not worth it. It is sinister in nature. Abortion, car accidents, drug deaths etc. etc. far outweigh Covid deaths. Yet, we are not forced to lockdown over these statistics.

I am amused with the "left". The way that they have banged on about overpopulation over the decades, one would think that they would be overjoyed that some Covid loss of life will aid their cause and make the planet more sustainable.

Trade your liberties, income (of course governors/employees still get paid) and pursuit of everyday life if you wish. That is your choice.

This is just the start of it. Due to the sinful nature of man, more and more constraints and restraints will be forced on mankind.

Oh, and governors believe they are doing us a favor and people buy it and love it!

Fortunately, places like South Dakota, Sweden and Denmark can have their folks mover around like NORMAL.

While you personally are lockdowned (except for your close visit for groceries), many of us move around in our communities un-tethered. It's great. No mask. No hand sanitizing. Freedom is sweet. Lockdown, masks and social distancing make me sick and want to vomit. For 40 years, I did not wash my hands after using the Port-a-loo on the job. Even when we all sat down to eat. No hand sanitizers. Nope. Yet all of us carpenters never got sick, but carried on in a normal fashion. I just gag when I see people salivating over using their sanitizers. What a joke.

The beauty is this: you can live the way you want and I can live the way I want (essentially).

Do I worry about the 218 deaths in our state from Covid? No. No. No. More people here die of car accidents. I concern myself more with how people drive.

So, I choose liberty to be free. I disdain your police force in their inappropriate behavior toward Covid dissidents.

If they forced their way into homes here in our state, they would regret it.

In America, we have a great rule book, the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Go ahead and defend your tyranny and we will defend our freedom.

In a nutshell, my common sense tells me that the lives of 99.99 of people should not be altered because of what happens to the other .01 percent of individuals. Even if it were 5 percent, I would still believe your life should not be altered because of my death.

Best regards to my in-laws there in Aussie land.
Ps. Besides these differences, enjoy the day! I have to get back the NQ.

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No smiling at passerby's. I feel sorry for the young men and women who hope to see a pretty face and get a date.



My late father told me when I was just a lad, "son, the most important thing to have in this life is COMMON SENSE!".

Right on dude! I agree

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i was reading about an article about planned financial reset and the c-vidda connection

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"We used biological evidence and in-depth analyses to show that SARS-CoV-2 must be a laboratory product, which was created by using a template virus (ZC45/ZXC21) owned by military research laboratories under the control of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) government," reads the paper.

SARS-CoV2 is a product of laboratory modification, which can be created in approximately six months using a template virus owned by a laboratory of the People's Liberation Army (PLA). The fact that data fabrications were used to cover up the true origin of SARS-CoV 2 further implicates that the laboratory modification here is beyond simple gain-of-function research.

The scale and the coordinated nature of this scientific fraud signifies the degree of corruption in the fields of academic research and public health. As a result of such corruption, damages have been made both tot he reputation of the scientific community and to the well-being of the global community.

The report also claims that the RaTG13 virus which Wuhan "Batwoman" Dr. Zhengli Shi and colleagues say they obtained in bat feces in 2013 (and which is 96% identical to SARS-CoV-2), is fraudulent and also man made.

Since its publication, the RaTG13 virus has served as the founding evidence for the theory that SARS-CoV-2 must have a natural origin. However, no live virus or an intact genome of RaTG13 have ever been isolated or recovered. Therefore, the only proof for the “existence” of RaTG13 in nature is its genomic sequence published on GenBank.

The report goes on to say that the RaTG13 genome could easily be fabricated, and that "an entry on GenBank, which in this case is equivalent to the existence of an assembled viral genomic sequence and its associated sequencing reads, is not a definitive proof that this viral genome is correct or real," and that the process for sequencing DNA itself "leaves room for potential fraud."

If one intends to fabricate an RNA viral genome on GenBank, he or she could do so by following these steps: create its genomic sequence on a computer, have segments of the genome synthesized based on the sequence, amplify each DNA segment through PCR, and then send the PCR products (may also be mixed with genetic material derived from the alleged host of the virus to mimic an authentic sequencing sample) for sequencing.The resulted raw sequencing reads would be used, together with the created genomic sequence, for establishing an entry on GenBank. Once accomplished, this entry would be accepted as the evidence for the natural existence of the corresponding virus. Clearly, a viral genomic sequence and its GenBank entry can be fabricated if well-planned.

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World Health Organization is coming out against lockdowns. Dr David Nabarro, the WHO’s special envoy on COVID-19, says:

" We really do appeal to all world leaders: stop using lockdown as your primary control method… We in the World Health Organization do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus. The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganize, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted, but by and large, we’d rather not do it."

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https://intermarketandmore.finanza.com/covid-19-e-le-grandi-pandemie-del-passato-90183.html

COVID-19 and the great pandemics of the past:

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https://summit.news/2020/09/08/sweden-close-to-victory-over-coronavirus-never-had-a-lockdown-or-mask-mandate/

As the rest of Europe and the world remains under the grip of draconian rules and the threat of new lockdowns, Sweden, which allowed its citizens to remain free throughout the entire pandemic, has pretty much declared victory over the coronavirus.
The country now has one of the lowest infection rates on the planet, and it’s difficult not to admire how it has handled the past year, with no strict lockdown or compulsory face mask rules. All businesses, schools and public places remained open in Sweden for the duration.

“Sweden has gone from being the country with the most infections in Europe to the safest one,” Sweden’s senior epidemiologist Dr. Anders Tegnell commented to Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera.

“What we see now is that the sustainable policy might be slower in getting results, but it will get results eventually,” Tegnell clarified.

“And then we also hope that the result will be more stable,” he added.

Tegnell previously warned that encouraging people to wear face masks is “very dangerous” because it gives a false sense of security but does not effectively stem the spread of the virus.

“The findings that have been produced through face masks are astonishingly weak, even though so many people around the world wear them,” Tengell has urged.

Last week, the European Center for Disease Prevention and Control confirmed Sweden’s drop in infection rate, with only 12 cases per million, compared to 18 in neighbouring Denmark and 14 in nearby Norway.

At the peak of the Sweden’s outbreak, it was seeing 108 new infections per million people, as it pursued a “herd immunity” strategy.

The figures also show that out of 2500 randomly selected and tested people in Sweden, none tested positive, compared to 0.9 percent positive in April, and 0.3 percent in May.
“We interpret this as meaning there is not currently a widespread infection among people who do not have symptoms,” said Karin Tegmark, deputy head of the Public Health Agency of Sweden.

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The World Health Organization’s special envoy on COVID-19 has urged world leaders to stop using lockdowns as the primary way to halt the spread of the coronavirus.

“We in the World Health Organization do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus,” David Nabarro said.

“The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganize, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted, but by and large, we’d rather not do it.”

Zerohedge.com reports: Nabarro pointed to the collateral damage that lockdowns are having worldwide, especially among poorer populations.

“Just look at what’s happened to the tourism industry, for example in the Caribbean or in the Pacific, because people aren’t taking their holidays. Look what’s happened to smallholder farmers all over the world because their markets have got dented. Look what’s happening to poverty levels. It seems that we may well have a doubling of world poverty by next year. Seems that we may well have at least a doubling of child malnutrition because children are not getting meals at school and their parents, in poor families, are not able to afford it,” Nabarro said.

“This is a terrible, ghastly global catastrophe actually,” he added. “And so we really do appeal to all world leaders: Stop using lockdown as your primary control method, develop better systems for doing it, work together and learn from each other, but remember – lockdowns just have one consequence that you must never ever belittle, and that is making poor people an awful lot poorer.”

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https://nypost.com/2020/10/11/who-warns-against-covid-19-lockdowns-due-to-economic-damage/

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You are using two months old information. Please read this article:
The Swedish COVID-19 Response Is a Disaster. It Shouldn’t Be a Model for the Rest of the World
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjX6tT0vf7sAhUOq1kKHZZAAkQQFjAAegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Ftime.com%2F5899432%2Fsweden-coronovirus-disaster%2F&usg=AOvVaw2exqAoCaf36Y9RFl_U13GO
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The elites love the power of their bad data lockdowns - while ignoring the death and destruction they cause. They love pushing around and impoverishing the poor - it make them feel good in their Hamptons mansions. The Fiat Extraction Devil and Main Stream has caused this and bottom suffer.

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"While the virus-induced downturn may be over for the rich, as stocks and real estate prices catapult higher, working-poor folks have been financially ruined in the last eight-month.

Huge demand for food banks nationwide could result in a "meal shortage" within the next 12 months. "

According to CBS News, the North Texas Food Bank (NTFB) handed out more than 600,000 pounds of food this past weekend to 25,000 hungry people.

Thousands of cars lined up to collect food in Dallas, Texas, over the weekend, stretching as far as the eye can see. pic.twitter.com/xLFGOcBkPK



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In this video the author tells how even the inventor of the swab test - who won a Noble prize- says that it is not to be used as a diagnostic test and that amplification of over 25 gives meaningless results.

Currently swab tests are amplified 50 times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpOzHHJmy7g


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The lawyer successfully sued Deutche Bank and also Volkswagen.

The test is meaningless and the agenda is fear. (and hence control)

Fed coin, homeland police lockdowns/takedowns and mass homelessness is in their cards
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Professor Richard Wolff: Coming Economic Crash Will be WORSE Than Great Depression

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I only see expensive cars lined up Do poor people drive expensive cars?
Outside of USA it is difficult to explain why the largest economy in the world and most technologically advanced has managed so poorly the pandemic. USA has less than 5% of world population and contributes with 20% of world total covid19 death.
There are many cities in the world with less than 100.000 people and USA daily new cases are 125.000 and above. It is beyond comprehension
Something is terribly wrong. Who is to blame? The people? the goverment? the life style?
What is the answer?

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"In France, for instance, one now “need[s] a certificate to move around,” yet in spite of long maintaining some of the continent’s most stringent lockdown and social distancing measures, total deaths per million are rapidly accelerating, to the point that France is likely to soon join other countries with harsh lockdowns in having among the worst rates of deaths per million in the world. Moreover, eastern Europe, which was once lauded for locking down strictly and early, is quickly finding that lockdowns aren’t likely to suppress total deaths there, either. The Czech Republic is seeing some of the worst growth in covid deaths worldwide, while the rest of the region is seeing similar growth, albeit to a less dramatic extent (so far)."


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We find, not surprisingly, that excess mortality in Sweden has been lower this year compared to many other western European countries with harsh lockdowns. For example, through October the average number of deaths for 2015–19 in Sweden was 72,972. In 2020, the total deaths for the same period was 76,375. That’s an increase of 4.6 percent.

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Dr. Berdine writes:

It seems likely that one will not have to even compare economic deprivation with loss of life, as the final death toll following authoritarian lockdowns will most likely exceed the deaths from letting people choose how to manage their own risk. After taking the unprecedented economic depression into account, history will likely judge these lockdowns to be the greatest policy error of this generation.

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