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Just a personal note: I am really not sure that it serves any purpose any more for me to contribute to this thread and this topic, nor that this thread is actually adding anything new, from a trading perspective.

It's not that I have any doubt that the model of informed debate and give-and-take that is based on is a good thing -- it is an excellent thing. It's also definitely not that the little disagreement I have and have had with @lemons or anyone else means anything. @lemons is a friend, a good guy and an intelligent trader who has been here a long while and who has added to my understanding of trading, and to others' as well. I'm not worried if we don't agree on something. Disagreement is generally a good way to find what is better and what is closer to true.

But I have had to think about all of this, and my conclusion as of now is that opinions are pretty well fixed, on all sides of the issues, and that in fact there is not much trading-related information right now to be had here. Perhaps there will be at some time, but it will depend on whether the markets respond to covid news rather than what anyone thinks about the covid issues themselves.

Let me be clear that I personally think that the covid pandemic is a frigging world-wide disaster, and that not taking it as such is an incredible error, and one that people make at their personal peril, as it will affect everyone at many levels. But this is not directly a trading issue. I hope that all my many friends here will make good decisions about their personal health and survival, and I do think this is exactly how important the issues are. If someone thinks I'm wrong, or am overreacting or overstating the issue, well, it's not the first time. But these are my personal conclusions and I stand with them.

There is also obviously a huge economic impact of anything we do about the epidemic, whether we do nothing as a society or whether we do even more than we have done so far. But these are issues that can be addressed elsewhere, as and if they happen.

So I'll stop banging on the drum of the covid outbreak. I really hope that the people who disagree with me don't die or lose members of their families because of their beliefs, and of course, I don't want to either.

If something happens of a trading nature, which means basically anything relating to a market reaction, then I will be on it if I have anything to say. Otherwise, everyone stay safe and be well.


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... In the United States, there have been, as of today's date, 116,567 reported deaths from Covid-19 as counted by Johns Hopkins University, a major medical university in the US. There have been, in the United States, 2,127,745 total cases reported. These numbers are essentially only since March, a few months' time.

Again, I don't know anything about Estonia. The Johns Hopkins numbers for Estonia are in fact low: 1,975 cases, 69 deaths. Estonia apparently has been very fortunate, and I hope you continue to be. But other countries are not, for whatever reason, and simply saying that it is not a problem, anywhere, and that there is nothing to be concerned about, anywhere, is not supported by the numbers.


But lets take last look of number and the forget then covid

Can we trust US numbers ?
Whole US hospital system is private property ?
I heard if hospital report covid patient / death they get Government support xxx $ ?

US mortality rate to covid more than 6 x bigger than in Estonia.
Its not 20-30 % difference its 669 %. Something is smelling / what I don't know.

I don't think than US people have very bad health and Estonians have perfect health.

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As i understand there is no overdead in USA neither in Sweden since a good wile back. Also new studies in sweden from bloodgivers in April-may show that 2 times more people had Specific T-cells against Covid-19 then had Antibodies.

At the time about 30 % of tested individuals which is about the same result that You get after a vaccination.

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