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Insanity:

Headline in WaPo: Trump administration pushing to reopen much of the U.S. next month

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/trump-reopen-us-economy/2020/04/09/10d42b4a-7a7b-11ea-9bee-c5bf9d2e3288_story.html

I don't really expect this to happen, but who knows?

To be clear, I don't think that this idea is insane because I know that May 1 will be too early. I think it probably would be, but I don't know. I think it is insane because the administration doesn't know either, but some in the administration want to barrel ahead without knowing, anyway.

In 1918, cities that jumped ahead in easing restrictions too early had terrible results as the virus rebounded strongly, and were worse off economically speaking than those that did not, so the additional loss of life was for nothing.

Getting itchy is not a good reason to do anything during this crisis.

Hopefully, this will be a medical decision and not a political one, and will be done -- hopefully gradually, perhaps in phases -- when it is medically appropriate to do it. I really hope so.

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Edit: although it started slowly and late, at some point science did begin to prevail over politics in the government's response (without talking about any of the issues that have arisen), and I believe that is why things have not been way, way worse. So I hope it will work out that way again.

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"Someone infected by the coronavirus, can cough and walk away, but then leave behind extremely small aerosol particles carrying the coronavirus. These particles could then end up in the respiratory tract of others in the vicinity", Aalto University Assistant Professor Ville Vuorinen said.

They said the study proves the importance of washing hands and wearing face masks in public places because the virus can linger in the air attached to fine droplet particles.

(Gosh wow only 3 months late!! How many have died because you couldn't use your brain? How many front-line workers have died because of the unnecessary infections because masks weren't recommended from day one?)

Last month, a new report outlined how the virus could stay in the air for at least 30 minutes and travel up to 14 feet.
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/coronavirus-can-stay-air-30-minutes-travel-twice-safe-distance-according-study

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The length of time it lasts on the surface depends on factors such as temperature and the type of surface, for example at around 37C (98F), it can survive for two to three days on glass, fabric, metal, plastic or paper.



Their work was based on a local outbreak case on January 22 during the peak Lunar New Year travel season. A passenger, known as “A”, boarded a fully booked long-distance coach and settled down on the second row from the back.

The passenger already felt sick at that point but it was before China had declared the coronavirus outbreak a national crisis, so “A” did not wear a mask, nor did most of the other passengers or the driver on the 48-seat bus. -SCMP


Hu said the patient, who was not wearing a mask, was likely to have inhaled aerosols, or tiny particles, breathed out by the infected passengers from the previous group.

Aerosols are light-weighted particles that are formed from tiny droplets of bodily fluids

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I wonder if they will ever get around to
1. Everyone wear a mask
2. put air sterilzing machines in the workplaces
get people back to work
3. stop ideas about hi-tech tracking.

this is getting really dangerous - how they are using their Plan-demic to push total population control, movement control, cash control. We NEED to get back to the constitution.

People died in the revolutionary War of Independence to found the USA. It is supposed to have the right to bear arms - sufficient to overthrow a despot totalitarian govt., free speech, assembly, freedom of religion,

So could have been a severe flu (bio-engineered yes so not regular), but with
1. Everyone wearing a mask/face covering - right at the start
2. put air sterilzing machines in the workplaces

It did not need to be as stupid and foolish as this has become - with media govt fuel mass terror.

Breaking the supply chains is very serious.
13million govt mandated out of work and soon to be homeless is bad shit.

This whole thing reeks of govt/deep-state worldwide control endgame.

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April 10, 2020

does someone know if this (A & B)is true ?
video 4 April,2020

A. only 3 people on the US navy medical ship

B.
1:36
she went down on her bicycle and filmed Bellevue and Beth Israel, nobody there, emergency rooms empty, nobody is standing in line, nothing going on, the only thing dying at these hospitals was the cash flow.


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we've had a Plan-demenic every other year 2004, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016, 2018 and now 2020 its a remarkable co-incidence.

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well Covid-19 wont go anywere it is impossible to kill of so We need to protect the elderly and do some exercise and loose some weight my self included.

Terrible data for USA

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I'm not saying this is true or false just posting for your consideration.


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I'm not saying this is true or false just posting for your consideration.

He seems to be saying that the COVID stats are being faked by using ordinary seasonal flu death numbers. Sort of explaining the existence of the virus away.

I definitely don't want to get into those weeds. Something is killing people all over the world. This pretty much settles the question.

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On the treatment front, https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/10/gileads-experimental-drug-rem...up-coronavirus-patients/


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A majority of a small group of patients showed improvements after being treated with an experimental coronavirus drug made by Gilead Sciences, bolstering hopes for finding a treatment for the disease, according to a study published in the New England Journal of Medicine on Friday.

The group of patients received the antiviral drug remdesivir as part of a “compassionate use'' trial, not a double-blind, placebo-controlled trial that would offer more definitive evidence. Also, the cohort of patients was small, only 53 patients in the United States and around the world. Those limiting factors prevent scientists from declaring that the drug works.

Still, the improvements offered positive news about a drug seen by global health authorities as offering the best shot at becoming a treatment for the disease.

Thirty-six patients out of 53 — or about two-thirds — showed improvement in oxygen support, trial authors said. Seventeen of 30 patients who were on ventilators were able to be taken off the life-support machines.

“We cannot draw definitive conclusions from these data, but the observations from this group of hospitalized patients who received remdesivir are hopeful,” said Jonathan D. Grein, Hospital Epidemiology director at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles, and lead author of the journal article. “We look forward to the results of controlled clinical trials to potentially validate these findings.”

While 68 percent of the patients showed improvement in the level of oxygen support they needed, 13 percent died, the NEJM study said. That 13 percent compares favorably to mortality rates of 17 to 78 percent in China among severely ill patients, the authors wrote.

There still needs to be a controlled trial, which will be getting under way, apparently soon:


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“It’s still a promising drug, but it doesn’t definitively prove anything,” said Paul Goepfert, an infectious disease specialist at the University of Alabama at Birmingham who was not involved in the study but is enrolling patients locally in a 600-patient placebo-controlled clinical trial of remdesivir sponsored by the National Institutes of Health. “The main thing you can gather from this study is it doesn’t cause any untoward harm.”

The full article is worth reading.

It is not a known cure, and may never be. But this is how things are found out. There are a number of controlled trials, planned or actual, for a number of potential medications. Something will probably pan out.

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There is a new drug being tested in Sweden at some University hospital. It is originally a Canadian invention for Sars virus but seems to work on Covid-19. It fools the virus to instead of attaching it self to the cell it attaches it self to the drug. So the infection rate goes down 5000 fault.

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There is a new drug being tested in Sweden at some University hospital. It is originally a Canadian invention for Sars virus but seems to work on Covid-19. It fools the virus to instead of attaching it self to the cell it attaches it self to the drug. So the infection rate goes down 5000 fault.

Can you post a link to your source information?

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https://www.svt.se/nyheter/vetenskap/sars-lakemedel-mot-corona-ger-positiva-resultat


Sorry it is in swedish . There is also a short video

It already been tested in China with good result and will be tested on 200 patients in Europe and if good result it can be available within 2 months.

Here is a funny thing i can already buy it in China wierd !!

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Sorry it is in swedish . There is also a short video

It already been tested in China with good result and will be tested on 200 patients in Europe and if good result it can be available within 2 months.

Here is a funny thing i can already buy it in China wierd !!

https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/product/mm/530616?lang=zh&region=CN

I was able to read it using Google Translate. Thanks!

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8184023/amp/Medicine-prescribed-SCABIES-stops-coronavirus-replicating-cells-48-hours.html

Wounder if this is true.

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https://medium.com/@jbgeach/eight-reasons-to-end-the-lockdowns-as-soon-as-possible-b7bb0bc94f00

We have gone from predictions of millions of deaths, to hundreds of thousands and now we are predicting about 60 thousand deaths. This is with the likely over reporting of death. Dr. Birx admitted the attribution of death to COVID-19 has been liberal. If the death count were limited to deaths directly caused by COVID-19, it would likely be even lower than this.

The 16.5 million jobs lost thus far are only counting people who have filed jobless claims that were processed through April 8, 2020; it’s likely that the real number is quite a bit higher than this. In addition, there are millions of people not-technically-unemployed who have seen their incomes plummet. One example would be so-called gig workers, such as Uber and Lyft drivers. It’s almost certain that realtors are suffering the same fate.

In 2018, there were 48,344 recorded suicides. Economic ruin results in a wide range of health problems, suicide, mental health issues, loss of health insurance, reluctance to visit doctors in light of financial hardship, and increases in substance abuse.

The IHME model, as well as Dr. Fauci have recently decreased the likely deaths from this pandemic to around 60,000 from earlier estimates of 1–2 million

initial 3–4% case fatality rate too high
infection mortality rate (IFR) is better
There was a recent study out of Germany in the city of Gangelt where they tested 80% of the population, the IFR there was about 0.37%

Children are at almost no risk from this disease.

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April 09, 2020
Gates’ Globalist Vaccine Agenda: A Win-Win for Pharma and Mandatory Vaccination


Promising his share of $450 million of $1.2 billion to eradicate Polio, Gates took control of India’s National Technical Advisory Group on Immunization (NTAGI) which mandated up to 50 doses (Table 1) of polio vaccines through overlapping immunization programs to children before the age of five. Indian doctors blame the Gates campaign for a devastating non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP) epidemic that paralyzed 490,000 children beyond expected rates between 2000 and 2017. In 2017, the Indian government dialed back Gates’ vaccine regimen and asked Gates and his vaccine policies to leave India. NPAFP rates dropped precipitously.

In 2017, the World Health Organization (WHO) reluctantly admitted that the global explosion in polio is predominantly vaccine strain. The most frightening epidemics in Congo, Afghanistan, and the Philippines, are all linked to vaccines. In fact, by 2018, 70% of global polio cases were vaccine strain.

he CDC has a large financial interest in pushing untested vaccines on the public and WHO is even more under the control of Big Pharma. The organization is corrupt beyond the meaning of the word. “The WHO is a sock puppet for the pharmaceutical industry.” — Robert F. Kennedy Jr.]

Vaccines, for Bill Gates, are a strategic philanthropy that feed his many vaccine-related businesses (including Microsoft’s ambition to control a global vaccination ID enterprise) and give him dictatorial control of global health policy.

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Hoping to offer some moments of relief amid the current coronavirus epidemic, on Easter Sunday (April 12, 2020), by invitation of the City and of the Duomo cathedral of Milan, Italian global music icon Andrea Bocelli gave a solo performance representing a message of love, healing and hope to Italy and the world.

The event is promoted by the City of Milan and the Veneranda Fabbrica del Duomo, produced by Sugar Music and Universal Music Group, thanks to the generous contribution of YouTube.

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Notice how there have been no stories on Hong Kong and the China virus?

Wonder why? (of course not - silly question)

but if you did you would see that Hong Kong wore masks right from the outset and they have had practically no deaths. So the reason is that the
Fear AGENDA

of MSM and totalitarian control, martial law, arrests without warrants would not be well served.
This POLICE state fear agenda could only be foster with needless deaths caused by NHS director and others of no masks.

Social distancing is a farce to instill fear and division and economic suffering on the bottom half.

By destroying the economy and lower income, creating homelessness and fear and needless sick and dead the health authorities fulfill the deep state agenda at our expense.

SUE them into the ground. SUE them and sue them and prosecute them.

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And at Broward Health Medical Center in Florida, Dr. Jean-Jacques Rajter has already been using ivermectin in addition to hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin and zinc sulfate to treat his COVID-19 patients, according to NBC Miami.

“If we get to these people early, and what I mean by that is if their oxygen requirements are less than 50 percent, I’ve had nearly a 100 percent response rate, they all improve, if they’re on more oxygen than that, then it becomes a little more varied, some people, they don’t respond anymore because they are too far advanced,” Rajter told the outlet.

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Additionally, Trump accused the world body of "mismanaging" and "covering up" the coronavirus, and failing to obatin timely information on the virus, causing a 20-fold increase in deaths around the world:

"So much death was caused by the WHO mistakes..."

Trump criticized the international agency’s response to the outbreak, saying:

“one of the most dangerous and costly decisions from the WHO was its disastrous decision to oppose travel restrictions from China and other nations.”

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The World Health Organization, which has consistently carried water for Beijing during the coronavirus outbreak - insisting that the communist regime had the disease under control, while peddling Chinese propaganda about the transmissibility of the virus.

WHO Director-General Tedros Ahanom Ghebreyesus also opposed Trump's late-January travel ban, saying "We reiterate our call to all countries not to impose restrictions that unnecessarily interfere with international travel and trade.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/president-trump-halts-us-funding-world-health-organization

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yes, How, Why & When !

finally (!) there are also on the "official" TV news increasing statements from politicians asking questions about the origin and the early (mis)management of the epidemic

interesting video, I noticed last week on Zero Hedge blog, "Tracking Down the Origin of the Wuhan Coronavirus"

https://www.theepochtimes.com/who-created-the-ccp-virus-documentary-exposes-pandemic-origins_3305798.html

anything to be noticed regarding the bodylanguage at time 44:38 of the video .... ie attached image
"Hi buddy, stay at appropriate distance.jpg"



soon also the "Coronavirus" denomination, given by WHO, will have to be changed

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This Coronavirus sample was acquired by Scientific Director Dr. Frank Plummer of Canada’s National Microbiology Laboratory (NML) in Winnipeg directly from Fouchier, who received it from Zaki. This virus was reportedly stolen from the Canadian lab by Chinese agents.

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Coronavirus arrived at Canada’s NML Winnipeg facility on May 4, 2013 from the Dutch lab. The Canadian lab grew up stocks of the virus and used it to assess diagnostic tests being used in Canada. Winnipeg scientists worked to see which animal species can be infected with the new virus.

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While mainstream scientists continue to perform mental gymnastics to insist that the new coronavirus wasn't man-made, new research from scientists in China and Europe reveal that the disease happens to have an 'HIV-like mutation' which allows it to bind with human cells up to 1,000 times stronger than the Sars virus, according to SCMP.

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It is understood that Zhou Peng is the pioneer of global bat immune system research. "Bats carry viruses but do not get sick. They have not been researched by scientists before, and certainly have specificity different from other species, but this is like you know the beginning and Ending without knowing how the story happened. " After more than 10 years of research, Zhou Peng discovered that an antiviral immune channel called "interferon gene-stimulating protein-interferon" in the bat's body was inhibited, so that the bat could just resist the disease without triggering a strong immune response. The results were published in Cells, Hosts and Microorganisms, which aroused the attention of the academic community.

One of China's top virology and immunology experts was and still works at China's top-rated biohazard lab, the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which some have affectionately called the real Umbrella Corp.
Since 2009, Peng has been the leading Chinese scientist researching the immune mechanism of bats carrying and transmitting lethal viruses in the world.
His primary field of study is researching how and why bats can be infected with some of the most nightmarish viruses in the world including Ebola, SARS and Coronavirus, and not get sick.
He was genetically engineering various immune pathways (such as the STING pathway in bats) to make the bats more or less susceptible to infection, in the process potentially creating a highly resistant mutant superbug.
As part of his studies, Peng also researched mutant Coronavirus strains that overcame the natural immunity of some bats; these are "superbug" Coronavirus strains, which are not resistant to any natural immune pathway, and now appear to be out in the wild.
As of mid-November, his lab was actively hiring inexperienced post-docs to help conduct his research into super-Coronaviruses and bat infections.

Peng's work on virology and bat immunology has received support from the National "You Qing" Fund, the pilot project of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, and the major project of the Ministry of Science and Technology.

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Now, a respected epidemiologist who recently caught flack for claiming in a twitter threat that the virus appeared to be much more contagious than initially believed is pointing out irregularities in the virus's genome that suggests it might have been genetically engineered for the purposes of a weapon, and not just any weapon but the deadliest one of all.

In "Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag", Indian researchers are baffled by segments of the virus's RNA that have no relation to other coronaviruses like SARS, and instead appear to be closer to HIV. The virus even responds to treatment by HIV medications.

Why do the authors think the virus may be man-made? Because when looking at the above insertions which are not present in any of the closest coronavirus families, "it is quite unlikely for a virus to have acquired such unique insertions naturally in a short duration of time." Instead, they can be found in cell identification and membrane binding proteins located in the HIV genome.
A good recap of the findings was provided by Dr. Feigl-Ding, who started his explanatory thread by pointing out that the transmission rate outside China has surpassed the rate inside China.

A graph is worth a thousand letters. #coronavirus. Source: NYTimes https://t.co/M1K9e6Kgz6 pic.twitter.com/evgM2UHf3U
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Game Changer?

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I don't think so. First off, these tests were done on 'given up' patients which needs special approval. Next step would be to go into phase 2 and 3 clinical trials wich is long and cumbersome. You need to prove both the efficacy (that might look good) and the safety of the product (side-effects, etc). Everything can be done quicker of course but still many months away.

The bigger thing though, a treatment is not a vaccin. With a treatment, you're still stressing the healthcare system cause patients need to get sick, then really sick before the treatment can be given. This all doesn't help closed businesses, social distancing, airlines, restaurants and shop floors from reopening anytime soon.

Thirdly, the damage has already been done. Furloughs, closures, job losses. A reopening of any kind will not suddenly bring back money to those who lost it. So great news for human health if it's true, but we'll have to see about the rest. A vaccin, if one can be found at all is really what is needed.

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I don't think so. First off, these tests were done on 'given up' patients which needs special approval. Next step would be to go into phase 2 and 3 clinical trials wich is long and cumbersome. You need to prove both the efficacy (that might look good) and the safety of the product (side-effects, etc). Everything can be done quicker of course but still many months away.

The bigger thing though, a treatment is not a vaccin. With a treatment, you're still stressing the healthcare system cause patients need to get sick, then really sick before the treatment can be given. This all doesn't help closed businesses, social distancing, airlines, restaurants and shop floors from reopening anytime soon.

Thirdly, the damage has already been done. Furloughs, closures, job losses. A reopening of any kind will not suddenly bring back money to those who lost it. So great news for human health if it's true, but we'll have to see about the rest. A vaccin, if one can be found at all is really what is needed.

Re-read the article.

These results are coming from Phase III trials already in progress. This drug is an FDA approved Ebola drug being re-purposed so its already undergone a lot of testing and can move through the system quickly.

Yes, a vaccine is the perfect solution but who knows when that will happen if ever. If this drug is effective, the main question becomes how long it takes to scale up. If it works as well as is described in the article, it will make a significant difference imho.

Gilead says results of the trial will be released end of April, and until then, everything is anecdotal.


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Re-read the article.

These results are coming from Phase III trials already in progress. This drug is an FDA approved Ebola drug being re-purposed so its already undergone a lot of testing and can move through the system quickly.

Yes, a vaccine is the perfect solution but who knows when that will happen if ever. If this drug is effective, the main question becomes how long it takes to scale up. If it works as well as is described in the article, it will make a significant difference imho.

Gilead says results of the trial will be released end of April, and until then, everything is anecdotal.


Sorry, but Remdesivir is not an FDA approved drug. The article itself states: Remdesivir is not yet licensed or approved anywhere globally and has not been demonstrated to be safe or effective for any use.

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Sorry, but Remdesivir is not an FDA approved drug. The article itself states: Remdesivir is not yet licensed or approved anywhere globally and has not been demonstrated to be safe or effective for any use.

Yes, you are correct, it is not yet FDA approved. Nevertheless, these are Phase III trials and the FDA stands ready to fast-track this if the results are good.

Update:

Now I know why I was confused. It did have 'Orphan Drug' status, but gave that up for business reasons I guess. Still, it shows the FDA is ready to go on this if the results are good:

https://www.biopharmadive.com/news/coronavirus-gilead-remdesivir-orphan-drug/574882/

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Interesting illustration of droplet spread with/without a mask:

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... the damage has already been done. Furloughs, closures, job losses. A reopening of any kind will not suddenly bring back money to those who lost it. So great news for human health if it's true, but we'll have to see about the rest. A vaccin, if one can be found at all is really what is needed.


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Yes, a vaccine is the perfect solution but who knows when that will happen if ever. If this drug is effective, the main question becomes how long it takes to scale up. If it works as well as is described in the article, it will make a significant difference imho.

Gilead says results of the trial will be released end of April, and until then, everything is anecdotal.

Will this be a game changer? None of us can know right now, one way or another.

But this, and all other drug therapies, will be objectively evaluated by professionals who understand what they are doing, unlike the internet rumors that have excited some.

So, although I am in the dark on this, I know that there are people working on this who are not. My only comments on the merits -- and my comments are of very limited value -- are that it is in Phase 3, which means that the professionals are fine with the criteria of phases 1 (safety) and 2 (efficacy), and are evaluating for the phase 3 criteria (efficiency -- don't ask me how "efficiency" is different from "efficacy," but I assume that they know .)

Given that, FDA can expedite approval, depending on the results.

So, would an approved drug treatment be a game changer? Yes, but not as big a changer as a vaccine. But now there is no treatment at all, except to use ventilators to help the patients breathe if they develop pneumonia -- which means, it is up to your body to recover, and doctors can help a little if you are at the extreme level that is near death due to respiratory failure, but that's all, and it often doesn't work. A drug treatment that makes it a treatable disease, reduces death rates and gets patients out of the hospital sooner would alter the game in a huge way.

It would not solve the problem, nor make everything safe, nor restore normality, but it would reduce the impact considerably, and if it turns out that having the virus conveys any immunity (which is not yet certain, but it is thought to be likely) then the ability for people to get well after getting the illness will in fact change things profoundly, as the number of immune ex-patients will rise quickly and blunt the spread of the virus to new people.

Again, I don't know, but the professionals will, and they will do the job that needs to be done to answer the questions. Personally, I am hopeful, but my hope won't change anything. It's up to science, and it always was.

One thing I am sure of is that all these medical and scientific questions have to get out of the hands of political people and partisans of one sort or another, and into the hands of medical and scientific people who deal with facts, not political power or self-interest or winning. It's a big mistake to make every question a political question, which quite a few people basically have done, to their own eventual detriment as well as everyone else's. (Short rant, now over. )

So my non-ranting comment is that I hope this works, and we will have to wait until we know.

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Interesting illustration of droplet spread with/without a mask:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2007800?query=featured_home

This is extremely interesting, but they used a "slightly damp washcloth" rather than a mask, which slightly disappointed me -- the reason being that (a) your mask probably won't be slightly damp in the same way that the washcloth was, and (b) I think it is likely that the water on the washcloth would capture the wet droplets more efficiently than a dry material.

Even so, it does say something about not exposing other people to the output of your unfiltered speech, and about the need for masking in public to slow the spread of the disease.

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Yes, you are correct, it is not yet FDA approved. Nevertheless, these are Phase III trials and the FDA stands ready to fast-track this if the results are good.

Update:

Now I know why I was confused. It did have 'Orphan Drug' status, but gave that up for business reasons I guess. Still, it shows the FDA is ready to go on this if the results are good:

https://www.biopharmadive.com/news/coronavirus-gilead-remdesivir-orphan-drug/574882/

That's true but you should expect that more than 1 Phase III trial should be needed. If there's one thing bio or pharma companies like to do it is to report that study results look promising. Truth is that it's much more complex. For example, you can have 90 out of a 100 patients recovering but if only 1 of them dies unexpectedly, the results are still good yet it might take many months to investigate the reason for the lost live and that will hinder study completion. I've lived and breathed in the pharma world for a very long time and I've seen the most promising clinical trials go bust.

Again, all good news, but you said game changer and I think we're far from. This is more likely to be a seasonal thing that'll come back every now and then and it might well be that the 6 feet world is here to stay for a while and that we'll move between localized outbreaks and local shelter-at-home measures until there's a more permanent solution...

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Again, all good news, but you said game changer and I think we're far from.

To be fair (and may be semantics) but there was a question mark after "game changer"

Hopefully a useful solution will turn up soon for people in need. Until then, we know what we have to do to keep this thing at bay and slow it from spreading further.

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Re-read the article.

These results are coming from Phase III trials already in progress. This drug is an FDA approved Ebola drug being re-purposed so its already undergone a lot of testing and can move through the system quickly.

Yes, a vaccine is the perfect solution but who knows when that will happen if ever. If this drug is effective, the main question becomes how long it takes to scale up. If it works as well as is described in the article, it will make a significant difference imho.

Gilead says results of the trial will be released end of April, and until then, everything is anecdotal.


My daughters best friend is a Doctor in Washington State working the Corona intensive care wards. The anecdotal info is maybe 1 in 6 are unhooked from a respirator to go home, 5 in 6 are put in bags. If this drug changes the equation it makes it much much easier for governors to open things back up.

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The Pandemic Is Only Just Getting Started

People are understandably looking for good news. But the truth is, we’re nowhere near controlling coronavirus

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With Broad, Random Test For Antibodies, Germany Seeks Path Out Of Lockdown -- NYT

In general, in dealing with Covid-19, Germany has put the rest of the West to shame.

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The Pandemic Is Only Just Getting Started

People are understandably looking for good news. But the truth is, we’re nowhere near controlling coronavirus

This is an opinion piece and it is quite pessimistic, but unfortunately it is by a Harvard epidemiologist, who just might understand what he is talking about.

I understand completely why well-intentioned people do not want any more of this virus lockdown, and I do not either. The reasons are varied, and some may be more solid than others, but the fact is that it sucks.

I am of the view that the virus has been under-reacted to, rather than over-reacted to, although I would be very happy if I turn out to be wrong.

Unfortunately, we will not know until we see how it goes, longer-term, and probably not until after the restrictions have been loosened and we see how that goes. This is sort of like playing Russian roulette -- you don't know if there was a bullet in the chamber until you've blown your brains out.

There will be, at some point, one or more treatments, and at a later point, one or more vaccines. So it's not forever.

I know that the subject brings out strong reactions for people, and it does for me too. But I am settled in for the long haul.

I hope everyone stays safe, and I would love to be wrong.

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Singapore Seemed to Have Coronavirus Under Control, Until Cases Doubled

The spread suggests that it is unrealistic for the United States, Europe and the rest of the world to return to the way they were anytime soon, even if viral curves appear to flatten.

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According to Montagnier, the coronavirus was manipulated for an AIDS vaccine:

https://www.corvelva.it/en/approfondimenti/notizie/covid19/secondo-montagnier-il-coronavirus-e-stato-manipolato-per-un-vaccino-anti-aids.html

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I'm not sure that an article from an anti-vax site is a reliable source of information. Just sayin'.

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Claim-By-Nobel-Laureate-Luc-Montagnier-That-The-Novel-Coronavirus-Is-Man-Made-And-Contains-Genetic-Material-From-HIV-Is-Inaccurate

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There are now over 33 strains of Covid-19:



https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global

Clearly, creating a successful vaccine is not going to be so simple.

More:

https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/Coronavirus-has-mutated-into-at-least-30-different-strains-new-study-finds-625333

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1. Sweden virologist se clear signs of flock immunity in poplulation. 2. Antibody tests from 250 retirement homes in diffrent locations shows that 33% already have anti bodies, 20 % are infected with and without antibodies . The remaing are negtive. 99% of the infected have none or minor symtoms .

If this is so Covid-19 death rate in sweden should be less the 0.01% in reality.

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Putting this here purely fwiw, in a forum open to varied perspectives. I've no interest in debating. Don't shoot the messenger. Tired of the whole topic, as I try to keep up to date minimally. By that I mean it's too easy to be consumed by the enormity of it all and neglect focusing on things in our control. Better things to do in the few hours we have each day.
I gather this has developed quite an audience in the few days it's been out. Some of the Comments are of value as well. Better than the Subheading read I think is to listen to this man for a spell and make up your own mind about him and his words.

Youtube title: ''Why lockdowns are the wrong policy - Swedish expert Prof. Johan Giesecke''

Subheading: “That was one of the more extraordinary interviews we have done here at UnHerd. Professor Johan Giesecke, one of the world’s most senior epidemiologists, advisor to the Swedish Government (he hired Anders Tegnell who is currently directing Swedish strategy), the first Chief Scientist of the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, and an advisor to the director general of the WHO, lays out with typically Swedish bluntness why he thinks: - UK policy on lockdown and other European countries are not evidence-based -
The correct policy is to protect the old and the frail only -
This will eventually lead to herd immunity as a “by-product” -
The initial UK response, before the “180 degree U-turn”, was better -
The Imperial College paper was “not very good” and he has never seen an unpublished paper have so much policy impact - The paper was very much too pessimistic - Any such models are a dubious basis for public policy anyway -
The flattening of the curve is due to the most vulnerable dying first as much as the lockdown - The results will eventually be similar for all countries -
Covid-19 is a “mild disease” and similar to the flu, and it was the novelty of the disease that scared people. -
The actual fatality rate of Covid-19 is the region of 0.1% - At least 50% of the population of both the UK and Sweden will be shown to have already had the disease when mass antibody testing becomes available”

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German shoppers not rushing back as stores reopen

You can build it but they may not come, at least not so quickly.

Fortunately, people are rational when their own survival is at stake. When it's politics, or other peoples' survival, maybe not so much. But few will rush in to situations that may not be safe for them, just in case. We will have to see if the instinct for self-preservation continues to function or not.

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Not so fast:

Coronavirus Kills More Americans in One Month Than the Flu Kills in One Year

The seasonal flu kills 0.1 percent of people infected, but the new coronavirus has already killed 0.1 percent of the entire population of the state of New York. That may seem like a small percentage. But imagine the entire country getting hit as badly as New York state: 0.1 percent of the U.S. population is 330,000 people. And there’s no reason to believe that New York’s current death toll marks the upper limit of the virus’s lethality.

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Putting this here purely fwiw, in a forum open to varied perspectives. I've no interest in debating. Don't shoot the messenger. Tired of the whole topic, as I try to keep up to date minimally. By that I mean it's too easy to be consumed by the enormity of it all and neglect focusing on things in our control. Better things to do in the few hours we have each day.

I totally agree, and agree also with both the "forum being open to varied perspectives" and with being "Tired of the whole topic."

Although tired of all this, I'll just add this statistic:

As of tonight, Johns Hopkins University is reporting that the US has had a total of 839,675 confirmed cases, and 46,853 definite covid-related deaths. That works out to 5.58% actual real mortality rate for infected people in the US to date. It is being found that quite a few deaths that were attributed to pneumonia or heart disease or other causes were really due to covid, but this is not included in these numbers. The flu has a mortality rate of about 0.1%.

(Source for Johns Hopkins: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html )

By the way, the rate of increase in the US is going up at an insane rate. Also from Johns Hopkins, here is the whole picture (US only), including the rate of new infections:



This is really not some kind of minor thing that is being exaggerated by the media or by the villain or your choice. It's actually happening.

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I totally agree, and agree also with both the "forum being open to varied perspectives" and with being "Tired of the whole topic."

Although tired of all this, I'll just add this statistic:

As of tonight, Johns Hopkins University is reporting that the US has had a total of 839,675 confirmed cases, and 46,853 definite covid-related deaths. That works out to 5.58% actual real mortality rate for infected people in the US to date. It is being found that quite a few deaths that were attributed to pneumonia or heart disease or other causes were really due to covid, but this is not included in these numbers. The flu has a mortality rate of about 0.1%.

(Source for Johns Hopkins: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html )

By the way, the rate of increase in the US is going up at an insane rate. Also from Johns Hopkins, here is the whole picture (US only), including the rate of new infections:



This is really not some kind of minor thing that is being exaggerated by the media or by the villain or your choice. It's actually happening.

And I am deathly tired of talking about this, just as if there were some reason to doubt it....

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I totally agree, Bob.

I am not interested in inflating the issue, nor deflating it. At this point I am only interested in rendering an increasingly accurate picture of this phenomenon based on the science alone. But its tiresome to hear constant assertions that in fact basically nothing happened out of the ordinary. If so, why were hospitals around the globe completely over-run? That doesn't happen every year during the seasonal flu. Something is going on and we need to figure out what exactly. People may feel like there was an initial over-reaction, and that might turn out to be the case, but if so, it is only because we were horribly under-prepared and had to react blindly.

We can leave the political blame game as to why that was the case till after we get things back to 'normal'. Right now I'm more interested in understanding what 'normal' looks like and how we get there. I suspect normal will mean different things to different people depending, in part, on their age and health.

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We can leave the political blame game as to why that was the case till after we get things back to 'normal'. Right now I'm more interested in understanding what 'normal' looks like and how we get there.

I had a good discussion with my neighbor the other day, who supports Trump (he doesn't like him, but he supports his policies; I don't like him either, and I don't support his policies ). He and I completely agreed about the virus and about what we should be doing about it (he owns a company that is shut down due to the restrictions, so he has serious skin in the game.) We also agreed that it is a damn shame that everything is partisan now, and that politicians on opposite sides don't trust each other and can't work with each other except under unusual conditions. He said that they used to be able to find some mutual ground and get things done, and I absolutely agreed.

He said that in the daily briefings, they should cut the political talk in the beginning and let the doctors come on and tell us what we need to know. How could anyone disagree?

Not everything is political. Not everything is about what side you are on. Not everything is about your side winning. (This is meant as a general comment on politics, not toward anyone on this forum. Members are both diverse in their opinions and mutually respectful, on the whole, although often argumentative, which is totally fine.)

As on this forum, there needs to be a tolerance and acceptance of other points of view, civility toward others and a willingness to accept that others have an equal right to what they believe, but that we still need to find common ground when it matters.

Somehow, this has dropped out of public discourse.

Fortunately, I think that most regular people still think this way. It is said that Tip O'Neill and Ronald Reagan (I hope people reading this will still know who these guys were ) could argue and fight all day and then have a drink together that night. Probably this is just a story, but it's what we should aim for.

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If so, why were hospitals around the globe completely over-run? That doesn't happen every year during the seasonal flu.

i wouldnt say hospitals around the globe were completely over-run, here in europe there were some areas which had problems like bergamo and madrid, but overral its wasnt like the mainstream media would like it to be, in germany most of the hospitals were most of the time empty, bracause they wouldnt allow other patients than covid, and the covid patients didnt really showed up. yet, all they show in the media is a constant stream of fear...

if you check the mortality data for germany, you will see that the last few months less people died than in the years before.


in other eu countrys there are increased spikes this year.

https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

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This just now....


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12:54 (US) NY doctors find hydroxychloroquine did not help severe COVID-19 patients - press - Based on a review of records from 600 patients at 22 hospitals Related () - Source TradeTheNews.com

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This from a bit earlier today....


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11:13 (US) Pres Trump: stimulus legislation will provide vital relief for families - signing ceremony comments
- Just spoke to Apple CEO Cook; Apple is bringing jobs back to the US; Tim Cook said he thinks we'll have a V-shaped recovery
- US virus deaths will be far below 100K
- My question about disinfectants was sarcastic
- Strategic Petroleum Reserve will be filled for the first time in a long while
- Raises idea of buying fuel for the US in advance as well as airline tickets in advance
- Banks should not discriminate against energy companies
- Disinfectant on hands could have very good effect
- Want a review of sun and heat effects on the virus within the human body
- I am not encouraging people to ingest disinfectant
- VP Pence: 5.1M in US have been tested as of today

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https://summit.news/2020/04/28/youtube-censors-viral-video-of-doctors-criticizing-stay-at-home-order/


Doctors who question official party line receive 5M views on youtube had their video deleted by YouTube Censorship Board (YCB)


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ICU are empty

Volume down medical staff are being laid off

People with cancer, heart disease and serious diseases are not coming in for treatment for fear of contracting CoVId

Govt use of fear killing more than Covid

never seen quarantine the healthy - doesn't make scientific sense

5213 and 340 positive = 6.5% => widespread in population similar to the flu

12% of California positive

initial models woefully inaccurate - predicted millons of deaths = not happening

39.5 million and 1275 deaths California

Sweden with no lock-down no stay at home have developed herd immunity
deaths per million same as USA


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I was interested to see how we're doing on containing the virus.

Here is a rendering of the John Hopkins COVID-19 numbers for reported deaths for a number of Western countries, including the United States, as of yesterday, 4/28/20. The data is smoothed by a 7-day moving average.

Encouragingly, all the curves look like they have rolled over or are in the process of rolling over. Sweden, due to reporting lags, is shown with both the Johns Hopkins data and delayed official Swedish data; in both cases they also look to be rolling over.

This is pretty good news overall. I can't make any projections or predictions for the future, but it is looking better than I have thought.

European countries:



United States:



These charts are from a liberal blogger on a liberal website, but I'm making no statement on any political matter, just using the charts. ( )

Source: https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/04/coronavirus-growth-in-western-countries-april-28-update/

Original Data Sources:

Johns Hopkins: https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19/blob/master/csse_covid_19_data/csse_c...ovid19_deaths_global.csv

Public Health Agency of Sweden: https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/bekraftade-fall-i-sverige/

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US Government Report Concludes Wuhan Lab 'Most Likely Source' Of COVID-19 Outbreak



• In 2013, scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology collected horseshoe bats at a cave 1,000 miles away infected with the virus that causes COVID-19.
Stored away and forgotten until January this year, the sample from the horseshoe bat contains the virus that causes Covid-19. -WSJ

• Peng Zhou, WIV's head of Bat Virus Infection and Immunization, was researching "the molecular mechanism that allows Ebola and SARS-associated coronaviruses to lie dormant for a long time without causing diseases," while a press release from his lab was titled "How bats carry viruses without getting sick."

• Zhou's colleague, Shi Zhengli, has been involved in bioengineering bat coronaviruses - co-authoring a controversial 2015 paper which described the creation of a new virus by combining a coronavirus found in Chinese horseshoe bats with another that causes human-like severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in mice.

• In 2015, Nature magazine expressed concern over Zhengli's experiments with bat coronavirus. The same year, the US government suspended funding to the lab due to their concern over risks of experimenting with bat coronavirus.

• Meanwhile, the US State Department warned over safety standards at the Wuhan lab in a series of cables beginning in 2015, according to the Washington Post's Josh Rogin.

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Feeling a little whipsawed on the remdesivir story, which a few days ago seemed a flop. It seems that there were a number of studies, and NIH is announcing a partial success in theirs:


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The F.D.A. plans to announce as early as Wednesday an emergency use authorization for remdesivir, an experimental antiviral drug that is being tested in treating patients with Covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, according to a senior administration official.

Ahead of the announcement President Trump and Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the federal government’s leading infectious diseases scientist, on Wednesday hailed early trial results of the drug, holding out hope that it could help stem the rising death toll.

Meeting with reporters at the White House, Dr. Fauci cautioned that the results of the study overseen by his agency, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, still need to be properly peer reviewed but expressed optimism that it could make a difference in speeding up the recovery of some patients infected with the virus.

Another study, conducted in China and published in the Lancet, questioned the value of the drug for treatment of severely ill patients but left open the possibility that it might be useful for others. The research was incomplete, however, because not enough participants could be enrolled.

Dr. Fauci said the federal trial indicated that the drug remdesivir could shorten the time to recovery by about a third. “Although a 31 percent improvement doesn’t seem like a knockout 100 percent, it is a very important proof of concept because what it has proven is that a drug can block this virus,” Dr. Fauci said. “This is very optimistic.”

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/29/us/coronavirus-usa-cases-deaths.html

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And the bullshit and lies continue.
Perhpas we should charge the WHO with war crimes and mass genocide?
or
sue them for damages?

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The World Health Organization (WHO) says healthy people don’t need to wear face masks to prevent the spread of the coronavirus, and masks should only be for those who are sick, their caretakers and health care workers.

In guidance released by WHO Monday [27 Apr 2020], the United Nations public health agency said “there is currently no evidence that wearing a mask (whether medical or other types) by healthy persons in the wider community setting, including universal community masking, can prevent them from infection with respiratory viruses, including COVID-19.”

Even though......
The CDC recently recommended the public wear homemade masks or face coverings, as people who unknowingly have the virus could pass it to others.

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/491725-who-no-evidence-wearing-a-mask-can-protect
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So Hong Kong with the worlds most densely packed population of 7.5 million has had only 4 deaths -- yes that's right 4!!!! (and perhaps some of those are the infected arrivals from Wuhan in January???).

Everyone in Hong Kong wears masks and they have completely conquered this.
NO EVIDENCE??? What better evidence could there be??


Actually the TRUTH is that there is NO EVIDENCE that social distancing is effective. So stick that WHO!

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Maybe this is something regarding coronavirus PPE that not everybody already knows.
It looks as an interesting, quick, simple, low-cost, useful idea:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=w4Csqdxkrfw&feature=emb_logo

https://www.corriere.it/tecnologia/20_marzo_23/coronavirus-l-azienda-bresciana-che-ha-trasformato-maschera-snorkeling-un-respiratore-cdf7d0e2-6d14-11ea-ba71-0c6303b9bf2d.shtml

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Buffett's paying Covid off and admitting a big mistake. In April, the Wall Street shark gives the signal to retreat...

Worst quarter ever for Berkshire Hathaway. Warren Buffett's conglomerate reported nearly $50 billion in losses in the first quarter of the year, paying dearly for the collapse of markets in the second half of the quarter.

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November 1955-April 1975, ~20 years

~58,318 dead Americans in the Vietnam War

January 15 2020(1st US COVID-19 case)-May 5 2020 (today), 111 days

~70,000 dead Americans from COVID-19

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Hospitals paid $13,000 if they agree to record a death as COVID 19
Hospitals paid $43,000 if they agree to use ventilator

2,300 doctors in 30 Countries rank HCQS as the best treatment for Wuhan virus

Hydroxicholiquine - anti malaria drug has been on the international list of essential medicines for 70 years
Doctors will loss their license if they prescribe HCQS

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the president of Tanzania talks about the WHO Corona Testing. Papaya, goats positive:


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6:28: "... we should not put fear on each other and politicians should stop using this as an agenda" , this is how a leader should talk and not like the western politicians & media who were contantly spreading fear.

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According to the attached rigorous scientific analysis, carried out in the Codogno area near Milan, the first infected red zone in Italy, it appears that also a high percentage of all asymptomatic patients will have (for ever! ...) in their lungs the scars of an undetected Covid pneumonia.


the article is the following: https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/10.1148/radiol.2020201102

The source of this info/study is Gruppo San Donato, the major Italian health care group privately held, which recently has acquired control also of Ospedale San Raffaele, which as far as I can tell by direct experience is by far the best health care university/research institution and hospital in Italy (https://www.hsr.it/strutture/ospedale-san-raffaele)

I find this an additional horrific consequence of this chinese virus.

This morning, first time since 2.5 months, I have been going out to the food supermarket. It has been like getting out to the light from a cave. Clearly most people (myself included) are different, silent, scared, highly anxious, grabbing food quick and then go back home .... all this is very sad and worrying.

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The market bottom is in, and 2021 could be a boom year for stocks, Wharton Professor Jeremy Siegel says

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Every year in the US 2million people who go to hospitals get infections from going to the hospital. Of these 2million 100,000 die.

So - 100,000 Americans are killed each year by hospital visits.

As of today, 14 May 2020:
83,211 Americans are reported to have died from Covid. This number may be inflated by hospitals $13,000/death incentive to report the death as Covid - not CPD, reg flu, reg pneumonia, diabetes (6th biggest killer) etc


100,000 by hospital caused infections each year
83,000 by Covid

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the annual US death rate of around 3 million.

This means that we are expecting around 150,000 US deaths caused by the virus, if the latest estimates hold up.

Authored by Kevin Ryan via Off-Guardian.org

we are at 83,000 so far.

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In the video there is a refence to Italy and the hospitals becoing agents of nfection

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November 1955-April 1975, ~20 years

~58,318 dead Americans in the Vietnam War

January 15 2020(1st US COVID-19 case)-May 5 2020 (today), 111 days

~70,000 dead Americans from COVID-19

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Aha - but you forgot about what THAT war really ended in:
from Encyclopedia Britannica

The deaths of as many as
• 2 million Vietnamese civilians
• 1.1 million North Vietnamese soldiers
• 250,000 South Vietnamese soldiers
• 58,000 U.S. servicemen
means more than 3.4 million dead people - of which US troops just took part with 1,7%!

Not mentioned here the millions of refugees.

Thinking of the big picture - which counts - not only from some undefined pieces of an action caused by US military / intelligence backed by the White House.

It is a distortion of statistics to take parts of war dead to compare with dead by pandemies.

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How do I have to interpret this graphic (source of occurence?) to see that the Covid 19 carrier is always black and the healthy is always white? Any explanation?

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November 1955-April 1975, ~20 years

~58,318 dead Americans in the Vietnam War

January 15 2020(1st US COVID-19 case)-May 5 2020 (today), 111 days

~70,000 dead Americans from COVID-19

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Aha - but you forgot about what THAT war really ended in:
from Encyclopedia Britannica

The deaths of as many as
• 2 million Vietnamese civilians
• 1.1 million North Vietnamese soldiers
• 250,000 South Vietnamese soldiers
• 58,000 U.S. servicemen
means more than 3.4 million dead people - of which US troops just took part with 1,7%!

Not mentioned here the millions of refugees.

Thinking of the big picture - which counts - not only from some undefined pieces of an action caused by US military / intelligence backed by the White House.

It is a distortion of statistics to take parts of war dead to compare with dead by pandemies.

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I can assure you with conviction measured in the firmament, I did not forget....I was just comparing two similar points of current interest. Trust you me ...I'm fully aware of the loss of life.

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GFI, Im sure it is not meant to be a Black to White thing....just and example.....and actually it looks more like a black to black....but Im sure its just a example.....LOL.....the thing that really bothers me....is that Im being told not to relate to anyone not wearing a mask....Hmmm sounds like Big Brother telling you what you can and can not do......next thing..... they are going to want you to report someone not wearing a mask.....Hmmmm...sounds like Germany back in the 1940's

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How do I have to interpret this graphic (source of occurence?) to see that the Covid 19 carrier is always black and the healthy is always white? Any explanation?

GFIs1

Well GFIs I personally wouldn't read to much into the graphic other than a pushback against Fauci fraud team that doesn't want to reduce deaths but increase them.

1. The key thing is to watch the Chris martenson video on masks. -posted several pages back.
(I hate wasting time repeating stuff so watch it and tell me the key points)

2. I don't know the source of the graph but it looks like both young ladies are black. (or of color or whatever the PC term is) I would guess the graphic was made by a black American for/to both black American and to/for everyone.

The graphic doesn't suggest that only blacks have wuhan flu, or only females or only white, only Asian, only black, have it. or only young people, or only affluent people or only poor people, or only Jews Only Muslims or only Christians, or only Hindus or only Buddhists or only whatever.......

The message is clear ask everyone to wear a mask in close contact.

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GFI, Im sure it is not meant to be a Black to White thing....just and example.....and actually it looks more like a black to black....but Im sure its just a example.....LOL.....the thing that really bothers me....is that Im being told not to relate to anyone not wearing a mask....Hmmm sounds like Big Brother telling you what you can and can not do......next thing..... they are going to want you to report someone not wearing a mask.....Hmmmm...sounds like Germany back in the 1940's

I agree with you.
Also I agree that:
"not relate closely anyone" is a bad choice. perhaps they were meaning "keep your distance from" ?

Or it could have been - please explain to others the important of wearing a face covering to reduce the flu.
..........But I didn't make the graphic.

The key is Fauci is killing a lot of people and is a very bad person.

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You read my post about more people die EVERY Year from infections that the hospitals give them than the winnie-the-pooh-flu.


The media is overplaying the fear thing and this is NOT ABOUT "keeping us Safe" whatever than means. There is an agenda, a dark agenda here.

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Yes, and the Earth is flat, Elvis is alive, ...

Sure Elvis,

no doubt facts are confusing the MSM narrative:

Here is the link you'll need for question 1 and 2. (3. already given - thrice)
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Questions of reality:
1. How many deaths in USA?
2. How many deaths in Hong Kong (eveyone wears a mask) ?
3. How many deaths from infections given by hospitals?

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This is an amazingly positive result from the State of Kerala in India.The state has a population of about 35 million

Wikipedia states: As of 12 May 2020, there have been 524 confirmed cases with 489 (88.04%) recoveries and 3 deaths in the state

Guardian States: Kerala has reported only 524 cases of Covid-19, four deaths and – according to its health minister Shailaja – no community transmission.

Read all about it: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/14/the-coronavirus-slayer-how-keralas-rock-star-health-minister-helped-save-it-from-covid-19

The criminal incompetence lies with those leaders (so-called) in the west, who have the highest stats in infections and deaths, for the simple fact that they saw what happened in China and Italy...and failed utterly to rise to their leadership responsibilities. Blaming WHO or China is all very well and yes they (at the start) stuffed up, then threw averything at it, to contain. BUT France, UK, USA had advanced warning..... and some are still in denial.....we truly are "the third Chimpanzee"

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Yes, and the Earth is flat, Elvis is alive, ...

yesterdays speech of Italian MP Sara Cunial, with english subtitle.


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yesterdays speech of Italian MP Sara Cunial, with english subtitle.


So true.
I think people is worrying about economic consequences of this virus while they should rather worry about their freedom.

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There seems to be two narratives surrounding the Covid-19 virus. One can be found on broadcast such as NBC, ABC, CBS, MSN, CNN, etc... The other can be found through alternative media. The question is who do you choose to believe? The main stream media will put out the narrative the sky is falling, so its best to stay home, the economy be damned and no questions asked. The alternative media discusses issues surrounding the who, what and where of the Covid-19, letting the reader decide. For me what main stream media wants you to believe doesn't add up. With alternative media things do add up, which gives me a much better understanding of whats really going on. I think we should all be very concerned where this is all going!

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Battle for Corona vaccine - A Swiss company shall produce vaccine exclusive for USA

The Swiss pharmaceutical supplier Lonza will not only produce the corona vaccine of the US company Moderna. Lonza Board member Moncef Slaoui will also head Donald Trump's US vaccine operation. Moncef Slaoui is now leaving Lonza after a short time.

Moncef Slaoui (60), the new head of Donald Trump's vaccination operation "Operation Warp Speed", is stepping down from the Board of Directors of the Basel-based pharmaceutical company Lonza. Lonza announced this on Monday. Slaoui was only elected to the Lonza Board of Directors on 28 April.

The juicy thing about it: Only three days after Slaoui's election to the Lonza Board of Directors, the company announced that it was entering into a strategic partnership with the US vaccine specialist Moderna.

The purpose of this is to produce the mRNA-1273 vaccine developed by the US company Moderna. Shortly thereafter, the news came last Friday: Trump appointed Slaoui as project manager of "Operation Warp Speed". He was interviewed for the job by Donald Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner.

What the heck are the Americans here really doing? lol

GFIs1 who is quite concerned as mentioned company is from my hometown...

sources from several newspapers in Switzerland today

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Eight people does not a study make.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/18/health/coronavirus-vaccine-moderna.html?referringSource=articleShare

Not being a nay sayer or plain old negative, just real, critical.

Phase three of the study gets to thousands of people.

The favorable interaction of SARS-CoV-2, human cells and antibodies was in a lab not in a human for the eight healthy test subjects.

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