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Hi Geott,
This is worth reading IMHO. It gives context on why the study (and the idea of taking this drug cocktail) seems to be highly suspect:
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/are-hydroxychloroquine-and-azithromycin-an-effective-treatment-for-covid-19/
Might stop here, on this topic.
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thank you for this article, i have read words like "crap", "insane" , i consider as unfair if not a scathing attack.


recent news (03/26/2020) :






updated (03/28/2020)

Patients treated with HCQ + AZ = 870
Deaths = 1






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Nice discussion with Bill Gates, who has a great deal of experience with crisis situations though his huge foundation.



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DETECT COVID-19 IN AS LITTLE AS 5 MINUTES

says US Abbott company

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The small device will be especially for mobile use. Not approved yet.
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I receive embassy updates for US citizens in Ecuador. Today, this was interesting regarding flights to get out of Ecuador:

This flight is not for the faint of heart and promises to be grueling.**The flight will be in the cargo hold of a C-130 military transport aircraft, which is noisy and cold/hot depending on outside conditions.**The route is from Quito to Panama then on to Norfolk, Virginia.* The plane will overnight in Panama and passengers will likely not be able to disembark during that time.* Passengers will also not have access to food or water, so will need to take enough of both for the entire flight.* The flight will proceed to Norfolk on Monday, March 30.

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·********Please note this flight will arrive at a U.S. military installation and you will be responsible for coordinating your onward travel, including transit from the base to a commercial airport.**The closest major airport is Norfolk International Airport (https://www.norfolkairport.com/).

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They are using a C-130!

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It's really terrible that the doctors and nurses on "the front line" (it is appropriate) don't have what they need to stay safe, they are risking their own lives to save others.

These people are dedicated. But, they didn't sign up for that. They aren't military, trained, paid, and covered financially for such circumstances.

These people deserve everyone's admiration and attention and support right now. All of us, as Americans, should demand they be treated with the utmost respect and given the tools they need.

Would we stand by and accept that after someone bombed us, we send soldiers to the front line without weapons?

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Regarding my last post, what would we do as Americans to make enough noise for this to be corrected?

Email/call Senators? I'm not sure.

Email/call local news outlets?

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In this Covid19 crisis, many people are now using the video app, ZOOM, working or "socializing" from home. Even some sectors of Govt are using it - Boris Johnson etc. I naively thought ZOOM was 'ok'....not so at all. This article is succinct on the substantial privacy issues with ZOOM and suggests alternatives.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kateoflahertyuk/2020/03/25/zooms-a-lifeline-during-covid-19-this-is-why-its-also-a-privacy-risk/

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In this Covid19 crisis, many people are now using the video app, ZOOM, working or "socializing" from home. Even some sectors of Govt are using it - Boris Johnson etc. I naively thought ZOOM was 'ok'....not so at all. This article is succinct on the substantial privacy issues with ZOOM and suggests alternatives.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kateoflahertyuk/2020/03/25/zooms-a-lifeline-during-covid-19-this-is-why-its-also-a-privacy-risk/

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The municipality just drove by, spraying for COVID-19, telling everyone to stay inside. We've been on very strict "shelter in place" with curfew and only permitted to leave for pharmacy or grocery store twice a week, 5 hour window.

I'm not sure this spraying is anything other than "comfort food".

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..**The flight will be in the cargo hold of a C-130 military transport aircraft, which is noisy and cold/hot depending on outside conditions.**The route is from Quito to Panama then on to Norfolk, Virginia.* The plane will overnight in Panama and passengers will likely not be able to disembark during that time.* Passengers will also not have access to food or water, so will need to take enough of both for the entire flight.* The flight will proceed to Norfolk on Monday, March 30.[/url]).

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Ohhh... sounds like THE crash course for welcomed new soldiers in the war against the not visible enemy in the USA.

News from Switzerland: Government plans and foresees the lockdown until August this year. Not as a worst case but a reality driven scenario.

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Would we stand by and accept that after someone bombed us, we send soldiers to the front line without weapons?

Sending US soldiers to the front line without appropriate tools happened already. I read quite a few articles about it at the time, see below for an example

https://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/30/world/middleeast/along-with-prayers-families-send-armor.html


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I'm not sure this spraying is anything other than "comfort food".

In information security lingo they call it 'security theater'

Scanning people at the airports or checkpoints with infrared thermomethers is certainly security theather given it's next to useless.

Do you know what's in the spray?

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I do not see much discussion on this thread regarding the origin of all this Chinese virus mess. Why? As far as I am concerned also this one is a very important aspect to clarify, especially when I see articles like this one:
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/more-evidence-china-lying-number-urns-more-double-reported-coronavirus-deaths?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedge+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+for+everyone+drops+to+zero%29
I hope that recent history, regarding other human tragedies, has already made clear enough that when this kind of tragedies happen, denial of responsibilities is neither fair for those who suffer the consequences, nor dignitous for those who cause the offense.
I want to know, asap, when, how and why all this has started. No more lies admitted.

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I do not see much discussion on this thread regarding the origin of all this Chinese virus mess. Why? As far as I am concerned also this one is a very important aspect to clarify, especially when I see articles like this one:
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/more-evidence-china-lying-number-urns-more-double-reported-coronavirus-deaths?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedge+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+for+everyone+drops+to+zero%29
I hope that recent history, regarding other human tragedies, has already made clear enough that when this kind of tragedies happen, denial of responsibilities is neither fair for those who suffer the consequences, nor dignitous for those who cause the offense.
I want to know, asap, when, how and why all this has started. No more lies admitted.

Check serious information medias, not a libertarian/far-right blog like zerohedge well known for its conspiracy theories.
Finding the source of a virus can take years (see HIV/AIDS).

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I found these articles useful, both as information and as emotional reassurance. They address the simple questions of how to deal with packages or store purchases and what to do in the house.

I hope they help. My takeaway is to feel less paranoia. I know that just raising the issues may cause some people to feel alarm, which I would not want, but I think the message is basically that the actual level of risk is low, and there are simple things that can be done to reduce risk further, and of course to wash your hands often and to maintain social distance in the first place.

Packages and store materials: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/26/dont-panic-about-shopping-getting-delivery-or-accepting-packages/

Inside the house: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/home/clean-disinfect-surfaces-coronavir...-e4ce3fbd85b5_story.html

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Check serious information medias, not a libertarian/far-right blog like zerohedge well known for its conspiracy theories.
Finding the source of a virus can take years (see HIV/AIDS).

While I can understand you do not like to have some media, you do not wish being cited in this forum, I think that under current circumstances we should all forget on whether the source of a piece of news is politically labeled as red or blue. What is important and useful is to know the truth. Please tell me which are the “serious media” we should listen to. CNN? Which so far has been telling us that in China there are no more deaths than just a few thousands? A couple of days ago they even said there were no more infections in China. Why we should accept this Denial?

If these people had told us earlier on the real threat, now we all would be facing a smaller or perhaps a contained tragedy. Why didn't these peoples say anything in time? why did they hide the truth? This is the problem, not zerohedge!
So when did all this start? How did this virus develop? Why has it developed and its spread has been hidden until the entire planet has got infected? Why, right now, here in Italy every night in a mid size city in the north we have a long caravan of military trucks going out of town for sending dozens of deaths to crematories in other cities with some spare capacity?
If you say we do not want to discuss this here, fine! Let's not do it.
But at least let me throw a stone on the water to remember we should if not talk at least think about these missing answers, possibly without blaming me for citing zerohedge on one hand and on the other hand without expressing any comment of yours about the actual information contained in the article.


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Ohhh... sounds like THE crash course for welcomed new soldiers in the war against the not visible enemy in the USA.

News from Switzerland: Government plans and foresees the lockdown until August this year. Not as a worst case but a reality driven scenario.

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Same here, there is news that we might have to put this lock-down up for approximately 6 months.

Problems are happening due to people panic fleeing their homes in cities. There is also panic in actual confirmed patients who are afraid of on coming social stigma and also trying to avoid authorities if they can. At least in 2 different places patients ran away from quarantine hospitals here and were later caught by police. Sad and ironic thing is that otherwise no one would've actually known that they had corona, now majority of country knows as their names flashed in news and will do in future as well.

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I do not see much discussion on this thread regarding the origin of all this Chinese virus mess. Why? As far as I am concerned also this one is a very important aspect to clarify, especially when I see articles like this one:
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/more-evidence-china-lying-number-urns-more-double-reported-coronavirus-deaths?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedge+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+for+everyone+drops+to+zero%29
I hope that recent history, regarding other human tragedies, has already made clear enough that when this kind of tragedies happen, denial of responsibilities is neither fair for those who suffer the consequences, nor dignitous for those who cause the offense.
I want to know, asap, when, how and why all this has started. No more lies admitted.

The Sars virus was stolen by Chinese operatives working at a lab in Winnipeg and shipped (illegally) to Wuhan biolab. Bats normally are immune to the Sars virus - they can carry it but don't die from it. A stupid nutbar Chinese doctor did genetic splicing to modify the virus to make it more lethal and be able to kill bats. It got out from the biolab in Wuhan. (which is only 300m form the wet market).

That's your where and how.

Why? Why make a highly transmittable lethal virus in a level 4 (the highest level) biohazard lab?
Why not ask the CCP who harvest organs from prisoners while alive and sells them?
Why not ask evil why it is evil?

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Dr. Matt McCarthy - Assistant Professor of Medicine at Weill Cornell,staff physician at New York-Presbyterian Hospital, and author of Superbugs: The Race to Stop an Epidemic- claims that the CDC is about to do a 180 degree change, and to recommend that everyone wear masks.

If true, such a change would be very helpful. Specifically, numerous studies show that "facemasks play a pivotal role in the prevention and control of infectious respiratory disease transmission".

Indeed, a study last year by scientists at the Departments of Chemical & Biomolecular Engineering, University of Maryland, and the FDA's Division of Applied Mechanics, showed that - if 80% of a population wears masks - it will stop a flu epidemic (it "essentially eliminated the influenza outbreak"). The typical flu virus is between 80 and 120 nanometers in diameter. The Wuhan Coronavirus is 120 nanometers.

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Last news from head of virology at best hospital in Italy (imo)
you can translate with google:
Coronavirus. Burioni: "Numeri meno negativi, primi frutti misure. Buone notizie da settore farmaci" - Rai News

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I found this pretty interesting. They are talking about how they handled the virus in South Korea. The comments about face masks was interesting. Its in korean but with subtitles.


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Since masks greatly reduce the amount of virus which gets to your mouth and nose, wearing a mask will lower the concentration of Coronavirus you're exposed to, giving your immune system more time to identify it as a threat, and successfully fight it off.

The top doctor in charge of fighting Coronavirus in South Korea - which has done the best of job of any country so far - says that Western health officials (I'm talking to you, US CDC and the World Health Organization) that say that normal people shouldn't wear masks are FULL OF IT.

But the new analysis by MIT has found that viral droplets expelled in coughs and sneezes can travel in a moist, warm atmosphere at speeds of 33ft to 100ft per second (ten metres to 100 metres), creating a cloud that can span approximately 23ft to 27ft (seven metres to eight metres).
A test by a Nobel prize-winning scientist shows that even talking can spew virus

And watch how the Czechs are kicking @ss:

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4:56 PM 3/30/2020

I think Jim Grant makes a good point about the costs of job loss and isolation.
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Losing your job is very traumatic and can trigger a host of problems like depression, stress -and therefore sickness, insecurity, bankruptcy, homelessness and starvation. Before the crisis 150 million Americans were in poverty or the edge of poverty. Many children can't concentrate at school because of hunger. We don't know the number who die of starvation or starvation related diseases and are sick from malnutrition (because the statistics are too embarrassing to keep), but it much more that the CNBC talking heads, pundits, medical cabal could imagine.

Rather than closing the economy, have everyone wear a mask, but in air sterilizers and get on with it. Set up treatment and testing centers away from the hospitals to stop spreading the disease to those not infected.

Sweden has just continued onward and Chezk is using common sense and having everyone wear a mask.

Don't parrot the nonsense to mindless overpaid buffoons of FDA, CDC, NHS and WHO. These people have made themselves rich off of sickness and will continue to do so. If their salaries reflected common sense and forward proactive actions they who be paupers and could taste their own actions on the doorsteps of poverty.

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it would be interesting a pool to count how many are actually trading or living in lockdown mode. I live in Italy and we can't go out for any reason but food/medicine. After one week It's starting to suck, and luckly I was one of the few left that were allowed to work up one week ago.

I work from home anyways, but as I care for my mom (bring groceries, cleaning etc) I have to take extra precautions not to get anything - even regular flu - which could be the death knell.

Going to the grocery store is getting quite scary. Everyone is tense, hardly anyone is wearing a mask (listening to retards from the govt) and its like driving through a ghost town. I am Ok for monthly money but I can't imagine what the unemployed must be suffering.

I started buying non-perishables in Jan when it was obvious this was going to be bad and the China CCP was lying - once again. Sadly, most people go to mainstream and govt talking heads - so when I tried to tell friends 3 months ago to get ready for the Great Depression everyone thought I was Chicken Little - so I gave up.

So I don't have the flu, or a cold or Covid (unless I'm before symtoms) but I've always been very careful with my health, nutrition and hygiene.
-e.g. I have "always" last 15 years washed fruit with peels with diluted dish soap before peeling etc.

Bottom line is that I feel the stress/anxiety/fear of others and it makes me tense.

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Bottom line is that I feel the stress/anxiety/fear of others and it makes me tense.

(Being tense doesn't help with trading -- hah, hah)

you know...it was pretty much the same here, at first it was a joke then it became suddenly serious. But people responded remarkably so I think it's gonna be the same everywhere. We are not chinese we may have not their discipline and that kind of governement but when things get tough and health is at stake I think humans are inclined to do what is best and what they are told to do.
Btw... Good news I think today we hit the peak in Italy so it now starts a slow recovery. So I guess it's correct to count about 2 months from the start to the end of the outbreak, like it has been in China.

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you know...it was pretty much the same here, at first it was a joke then it became suddenly serious. But people responded remarkably so I think it's gonna be the same everywhere. We are not chinese we may have not their discipline and that kind of governement but when things get tough and health is at stake I think humans are inclined to do what is best and what they are told to do.
Btw... Good news I think today we hit the peak in Italy so it now starts a slow recovery. So I guess it's correct to count about 2 months from the start to the end of the outbreak, like it has been in China.

That's indeed good news, I hope we are able to save more people and things go back to normalcy from here.

It saddens me how many lives we lost even with the technology we have, this is nothing but negligence on our part.

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This is the strongest statistical association I've seen w/ respect to the virus. Wear a mask, mandate others to wear masks, & remember that @WHO is criminally incompetent. To repeat:@WHO is criminally incompetent.

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There's a new poll out from Grinnell College on American attitudes in response to the COVID-19 situation. It is interesting and worth a read (it was mentioned in the Washington Post, so when I clicked the link it took forever for their server to respond. They may be getting a lot of requests. I hope we don't crash it.)

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I fully understand the "Stressed" choice, and the other negatives too, but the first two are still encouraging.

Read the rest here: https://www.grinnell.edu/news/americans-showing-resolve-through-covid-19-crisis

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News on Canada

Their leader has announced some emergency response support for Cdns and small businesses effected:

1. 3 months waiving of mortgage payments - already in effect (?)
2. $2,000 per month for those laid off - 6 April
3. Small business support paying for 75% of wages - payable back to March

I notice their PM decides and it is done.
(No long debates in Congress and pork-belly riders )
People need the money now.

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Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy.
For indiviuals: Those receiving CERB or Employment Insurance (EI) need to show they are without work once a month. If you’re already getting EI, you don’t need to apply for CERB. . He says CERB is on track to be up and running for applications by April 6th, and you can apply through the government of Canada’s website. CERB offers a monthly $2,000 payment for a period of up to 16 weeks for those who wouldn't otherwise be eligible for Employment Insurance. Any Canadian who has ceased working for a 14-day period due to COVID-19 is eligible. That includes wage earners, contract workers, or self-employed individuals; those who've had to stay home without pay to self-isolate or care for loved ones; and anyone else who hasn't been permanently laid off but has stopped receiving pay cheques. (People with reduced hours and reduced income aren’t the target for CERB and do not qualify. Income must have dropped to zero.)
If you need assistance setting up direct deposit for CERB, you can call the CRA for help over the phone. If you opt for getting a cheque in the mail, the Prime Minister says you’ll get it within 10 days.By selecting direct deposit you should receive your payment within 3 to 5 days,”
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The Canada Emergency Response Benefit (CERB)
For Businesses: Businesses can apply for the Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy through the Canada Revenue Agency’s (CRA) website. He repeated his call for businesses to top up wages not covered by the 75 per cent subsidy and threatened businesses that take undo advantage with stiff penalties.
Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy is launching in 3 to 6 weeks and funds will be available within 6 weeks after that. Businesses will need to show revenue fell 30 per cent in March, April, or May from the same time last year. They need to reapply each month.

The Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy will cost $71 billion and reduce the cost of CERB to $24 billion.

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Statistics. Situation is not that bad. Its half as bad.

In Estonia average age is 77.
When 80 - 90 year old people die its " normal "

And when we won fight over COVID-19 we have even bigger fight in front of us.
Most of it is up to us.

Simplest solution with good impact. Stop smoking and drinking.



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Statistics. Situation is not that bad. Its half as bad.

In Estonia average age is 77.
When 80 - 90 year old people die its " normal "

And when we won fight over COVID-19 we have even bigger fight in front of us.
Most of it is up to us.

Simplest solution with good impact. Stop smoking and drinking.



But no lets make even drugs legal. I really need my daily cannabis cigarette.

Yup, 10x greater chance dying in a car crash a mile from your home than from this. But don’t tell the internet. I’m filing for divorce from the media over this. They won. They got themselves months of 24-7 job security. And I am declaring bankruptcy from Covid 19 coverage. I give up, I cannot take anymore. I’m moving on.

We live in a world now where the value of human life is so high, and gets higher each generation, and certainly that’s the way you want it but the downside is you overreact to everything, and personal freedom takes a big hit. My parents are both close to 80, and while they are in excellent health for their age they are also in one of the biggest at risk groups. I’ve told them they need to just stay in for now, and they know, but now I’m hearing intermittent shut ins for the next 12-18 months, and I don’t think I can comply with that.

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More Statistics.

The latest numbers (4/2/2020) from Johns Hopkins University:

50,000 + deaths world-wide
981,000 + confirmed cases world-wide
226,000 + confirmed cases in United States alone, by far the current world leader

I didn't give the precise numbers because growth is increasing, which will soon make these out of date anyway. There is also a lag in the data due to testing and reporting issues.

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as we reach the peak and things seem getting better I starting to think about the second wave, at this time we just put everything on hold, covid included. But what is gonna happen when we return to normal? We have already seen that just a few people infected can infect a country...so I think this will not be over until we find a vaccine or virus mutate itself to something less letal.

In the meantime the planet say thanks...less pollution and animals are taking back their space. We all should quarantine ourself and give this planet at least a 30 days holiday every year from humans.

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16:05 [INCY] Plans to initiate a Phase 3 clinical trial of ruxolitinib (Jakafi) as a treatment for patients with COVID-19 associated cytokine storm

- Also intends to launch an Expanded Access Program in the United States to allow eligible patients with COVID-19 associated cytokine storm to receive ruxolitinib

- Incyte has an ample commercial and clinical supply of ruxolitinib in the U.S. and is increasing manufacturing efforts in response to the COVID-19 pandemic

- announced the Company is working with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to initiate a Phase 3 clinical trial (RUXCOVID) to evaluate the efficacy and safety of ruxolitinib (Jakafi) plus standard-of-care (SoC), compared to SoC therapy alone, in patients with COVID-19 associated cytokine storm. The collaborative study will be sponsored by Incyte in the United States and Novartis outside of the United States.

Additionally, given the urgent nature of the COVID-19 pandemic, Incyte intends to initiate a separate open-label emergency Expanded Access Program (EAP) in the United States. The protocol will allow eligible patients with severe COVID-19 associated cytokine storm to receive ruxolitinib while it is being investigated for this indication.

“Our intent is to build on emerging evidence from independent studies to further establish the role ruxolitinib could play in balancing immune response to the infection and therefore potentially improving outcomes of patients with COVID-19 associated cytokine storm,” said Steven Stein, M.D., Chief Medical Officer, Incyte. “We recognize the significant and urgent medical need of patients with severe COVID-19 infection, and we are working with the FDA in an effort to rapidly advance the RUXCOVID and EAP studies.”

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I'm assuming that the shortage of medical masks if because the brain dead are disposing of the masks at the end of a shift rather than sterilizing them??

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6:42 PM 4/2/2020

Trump Administration Expected to Recommend All Americans Wear Cloth Masks in Public

The expected change in position reflects concern over a worrisome rate of infection spread by people with no symptoms.



A rider donned a facial covering on the Los Angeles metro rail on Wednesday. That city’s mayor, Eric Garcetti, had urged its residents to wear homemade masks or even bandannas when food shopping or doing other essential errands.Credit...Mario Tama/Getty Images

The researchers emphasized that the primary benefit of mask wearing was to prevent infected people from spreading the virus by expelling infected droplets.

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the annual US death rate of around 3 million.

The most recent estimate from “the leading US authority on the COVID-19 pandemic” suggests that the US may see between 100,000 and 200,000 deaths from COVID-19, with the final tally likely to be somewhere in the middle.” This means that we are expecting around 150,000 US deaths caused by the virus, if the latest estimates hold up.

According to the National Center for Health Statistics, over 48,000 suicides occurred in the US in 2018. This equates to an annual rate of about 14 suicides per 100,000 people. As expected, suicides increase substantially during times of economic depression. For example, as a result of the 2008 recession there was an approximate 25% increase. Similarly, during a peak year of the Great Depression, in 1932, the rate rose to 17 suicides per 100,000 people.

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I'm assuming that the shortage of medical masks if because the brain dead are disposing of the masks at the end of a shift rather than sterilizing them??

They are not. They reuse. Same face mask for days. Designed for single use, for example. Attempt to clean face shields for the next day, at their own peril, after 12 hour shifts where 4 to 5 die per shift. 8 to 10 per day.

They have been trained their entire career to toss out disposable protective equipment once used for safety reasons. Retraining of personnel is nontrivial especially now in this super high stress environment for medical professionals with over run hospitals, overworked staff, at every level, and lack of support from governmental agencies at all strata.

Hospitals that once did heart transplants, hip replacements etc etc now only treat COVID-19 patients.

We need to start recognizing the Heroes and not name call. These doctors, nurses, technicians, administrative, paramedics, EMTs, Pharma bench scientist are one and all in need of praise, prayers, love and support.

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Designed for single use, for example.
Attempt to clean face shields for the next day, at their own peril, after 12 hour shifts where 4 to 5 die per shift. 8 to 10 per day.

They have been trained their entire career to toss out disposable protective equipment once used for safety reasons. Retraining of personnel is nontrivial especially now in this super high stress environment for medical professionals with over run hospitals, overworked staff, at every level, and lack of support from governmental agencies at all strata.

Hospitals that once did heart transplants, hip replacements etc etc now only treat COVID-19 patients.

We need to start recognizing the Heroes and not name call. These doctors, nurses, technicians, administrative, paramedics, EMTs, Pharma bench scientist are one and all in need of praise, prayers, love and support.

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Well Ron I agree they are doing a tough job. My "brain dead" was about the administrators - not front line.

Your post highlights the brain dead of the admin who endanger the front line.

1. Disposable single use masks are not what is needed to be effective.
2. Face shields are not effective the aerosol goes around them.

They should have:
1. respirators
2. googles not face shields
3. air sterilizing machines
4. not treat Coivd in the same facility at regular patients
5. be sprayed with a sterilizer upon leaving a quarantine treatment facility (such as a alcohol mist)

Brain dead are NHS director appearing on TV and wearing a mask upside down and inside out and telling people mask are dangerous (when misused)

Now because of bad practices they are out of mask and are using bandanas - so your anger should go to those brain dead who place the front-line in this dangerous, stupid situation and risk their lives perhaps killing these front-line workers, and turn them, the health care workers carriers.

As long as the public blindly accepts what authority says the health-care workers are in peril and will continue to be.

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How We'll Beat COVID-19: "Everyone Should Wear A Mask!"

the most effective single step each of us can take right now to beat covid-19 is to start wearing a mask.
It’s cheap. It’s easy. And if we all do it, it will give us a HUGE advantage in the fight against this pandemic.

You don’t need a fancy mask. A simple DIY version will suffice.
Wearing one does the following:


greatly reduces the particles a sick person can spread

prevents you from touching your mouth and nose, by far the most common way we can get infected

substantially increases your odds of having a mild case, should you get infected

If we all wear masks: I protect you, and you protect me. It just makes so much sense.

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Wether you are healthy or sick -wear a mask.

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Oh, but that would be a conspiracy theory. THEY would never do anything like that.

Under cover of the public’s fear, and of justified concerns about the state of the economy and future employment, countries like the US are transferring huge sums of public money to the biggest corporations. Politicians controlled by big business and media owned by big business are pushing through this corporate robbery without scrutiny – and for reasons that should be self-explanatory. They know our attention is too overwhelmed by the virus for us to assess intentionally mystifying arguments about the supposed economic benefits, about yet more illusory trickle-down.

There are many other dramatic changes being introduced, almost too many and too rapidly for us to follow them properly. Bans on movement. Intensified surveillance. Censorship. The transfer of draconian powers to the police, and preparations for the deployment of soldiers on streets. Detention without trial. Martial law. Measures that might have terrified us when Trump was our main worry, or Brexit, or Russia, may now seem a price worth paying for a “return to normality”.

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I disagree Ron.

There is a good and valid reason for calling it like it is:
The majority go around repeating mindless non-sense by "authority figures"
It takes a direct call-out of the incompetent to wake up the masses and get them to start to think for themselves.
Without this people circle around and around in dithering non-sense.

When I posted about mask - people deflected it to
-:well there are many kinds of masks and there is a debate on them" ==> delay and deaths
but in the post I emphasized that there are two reasons and the first is not to spread it.

It was obvious in January that this was going to be bad, and In February everyone should have been told to wear masks or face coverings. That was common sense. That is also Gold standard in preventing spread and "flattening the curve."

The prior post - by a doctor highlights this.

So many on the front line have died - needlessly due to incompetent action. Instead they only have "social distancing" a much less effective strategy and with enormous cost of life and the economy. Their cure will end up costing more lives from depression suicide and other deaths. And more deaths of the front lines.


The brain-dead cost lives.

These at the top will shift their position and recommend face-coverings too late. The public won't remember the stupidity and incompetence of their actions unless they are called-out on it. They later will cover their life-costing stupidity with garage like "new research suggest that everyone should wear a face-covering". That is nonsense. Face covering was the Gold standard back in SARS and Swine Flu and before.
In the Spanish flu -see prior post - see movie they new of face covering.

They, medical "authorities" will suffer no consequence for the damage and suffering they caused and will continue on in their posts to continue to hurt the public again and again.
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I found these articles useful, both as information and as emotional reassurance. They address the simple questions of how to deal with packages or store purchases and what to do in the house.

I hope they help. My takeaway is to feel less paranoia. I know that just raising the issues may cause some people to feel alarm, which I would not want, but I think the message is basically that the actual level of risk is low, and there are simple things that can be done to reduce risk further, and of course to wash your hands often and to maintain social distance in the first place.

Packages and store materials: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/26/dont-panic-about-shopping-getting-delivery-or-accepting-packages/

Inside the house: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/home/clean-disinfect-surfaces-coronavir...-e4ce3fbd85b5_story.html

To be honest, I haven't changed anything all that much, but these did let me relax a bit about what I was doing, which is valuable too.

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I disagree Ron.

There is a good and valid reason for calling it like it is:
The majority go around repeating mindless non-sense by "authority figures"
It takes a direct call-out of the incompetent to wake up the masses and get them to start to think for themselves.
Without this people circle around and around in dithering non-sense.

When I posted about mask - people deflected it to
-:well there are many kinds of masks and there is a debate on them" ==> delay and deaths
but in the post I emphasized that there are two reasons and the first is not to spread it.

It was obvious in January that this was going to be bad, and In February everyone should have been told to wear masks or face coverings. That was common sense. That is also Gold standard in preventing spread and "flattening the curve."

The prior post - by a doctor highlights this.

So many on the front line have died - needlessly due to incompetent action. Instead they only have "social distancing" a much less effective strategy and with enormous cost of life and the economy. Their cure will end up costing more lives from depression suicide and other deaths. And more deaths of the front lines.


The brain-dead cost lives.

These at the top will shift their position and recommend face-coverings too late. The public won't remember the stupidity and incompetence of their actions unless they are called-out on it. They later will cover their life-costing stupidity with garage like "new research suggest that everyone should wear a face-covering". That is nonsense. Face covering was the Gold standard back in SARS and Swine Flu and before.
In the Spanish flu -see prior post - see movie they new of face covering.

They, medical "authorities" will suffer no consequence for the damage and suffering they caused and will continue on in their posts to continue to hurt the public again and again.
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I don't know how many people travel a lot, but my family and I do. Even back in the mid-2000's, long before swine flu, SARS and MERS, my wife and I would see Asian tourists wearing masks. The custom of wearing masks in public to prevent the spread of disease, particularly with the Japanese, goes back to the Spanish Flu (I have long had a fascination with pandemics/epidemics and have studied in great detail well before COVID-19). It just never went away. I can't speak of the custom in other Asian countries.

Last summer, I saw a guy in his early twenties, white American who looked strong and healthy, wearing a mask on the NY JFK airport mono-rail. It was the first time I've ever seen a non-Asian wearing a mask outside a medical setting and struck me as unusual, but it made sense to me.

So yeah.... masks.

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Big data!

https://www.google.com/covid19/mobility/

Shows how well each Country / region has changed its movements (based on mobile tracking data) over the last 6 weeks or so.

I have seen a lot of US Covid-19 forecasts which are basing the flattening of the curve on following the paths of Italy / Spain. If you have a look at the data for those countries vs US you can see how flawed that method is.

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I don't know how many people travel a lot, but my family and I do. Even back in the mid-2000's, long before swine flu, SARS and MERS, my wife and I would see Asian tourists wearing masks. The custom of wearing masks in public to prevent the spread of disease, particularly with the Japanese, goes back to the Spanish Flu (I have long had a fascination with pandemics/epidemics and have studied in great detail well before COVID-19). It just never went away. I can't speak of the custom in other Asian countries.

Last summer, I saw a guy in his early twenties, white American who looked strong and healthy, wearing a mask on the NY JFK airport mono-rail. It was the first time I've ever seen a non-Asian wearing a mask outside a medical setting and struck me as unusual, but it made sense to me.

So yeah.... masks.

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We did Disney 4 times in 2019. Disney Cruise February, DisneyLand for StarWars opening June, Tokyo Disney in July and Walt Disney World in December.

I only say this to point out in all of this travel the Japanese were the ones wearing face masks, by far. It is part of their well informed polite sensibility/culture.

I think this is a very wise and smart approach to hygiene.

As of right now, Japan only has 2617 cases of SARS-CoV-2 and/or COVID-19 (not sure of the exact breakdown) and have zero issues with face mask wearing.



I believe and practice wearing masks and have for the past 2 weeks now.

I firmly believe if more of us in the USA followed the example of asian countries, that have held the Coronavirus at bay, like Japan, we would not be in this ridiculous situation right now.

There is no real leadership here in the US. It's just every state for themselves....states bidding on ventilators against each other and FEMA (CRAZY, INSANE) jacking the price up and up ... completely unproductive.

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Even if you wanted to wear a mask, they were hard to find. I started looking for masks in January when I saw retweets from Weebo (China's twitter) about what was going on in Wuhan. Every time the local retailers got stock, they were immediately 'looted' by a few Amazon and Ebay sellers who were hoping to make money off of other people's misery. Every Target in Los Angeles was sold out in January. It was ridiculous. At some point I complained to some of the retailers and told them they needed to limit supplies per person. The answer was always the same -- I'm not gonna tell somebody they can't buy all my masks. It was before most people in the US were taking the coronavirus seriously. The retailers are as negligent as anybody else for this mess. "Corporate" was ignorant of what was going on overseas and completely short-sighted.

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I spent some time today thinking about how I would rig up a mask.

You can't buy masks, for obvious reasons (sold out -- plus, I, as a non-medical guy, should be at the bottom of the list of priorities anyway when hospitals can't get them.) Well, you can sew one. Yeah, that's a real good idea. I'll just fire up my sewing machine.... OK, you can wrap a bandana around your face. I don't have any bandanas, but no one else does either, so I suppose anything made of cloth would do. I thought about cutting up some t-shirts, which is something I have read about. That might be better than nothing.

This is, to be blunt, f--'d up.

Americans are not going to be masked up, at least not at the level that apparently is needed.

I have stocked up enough necessary supplies that I don't plan to go out again for a good long time. (I did go out today to top off my supply of essentials: food, dog food and, of course, wine.) I did see some masks being worn, including improvised masks that made people look like bad guys in old western movies, which is also better than nothing.

So I won't need a mask, because I won't interact with anyone outside of the house for some time. (This is not an occasion for joy, but I will live with it.) But a lot of people will have to be out, and will not have a satisfactory way to mask up.

There has been some posting here about whether we should or should not use masks, and I wasn't at all sure until very recently, which is another issue because of the uncertain, wobbly official guidance that was offered. But if we assume that the answer is that one should, the fact is that most of us can't.

To repeat, this is f--'d up.

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I spent some time today thinking about how I would rig up a mask.

You can't buy masks, for obvious reasons (sold out -- plus, I, as a non-medical guy, should be at the bottom of the list of priorities anyway when hospitals can't get them.) Well, you can sew one. Yeah, that's a real good idea. I'll just fire up my sewing machine.... OK, you can wrap a bandana around your face. I don't have any bandanas, but no one else does either, so I suppose anything made of cloth would do. I thought about cutting up some t-shirts, which is something I have read about. That might be better than nothing.

This is, to be blunt, f--'d up.

Americans are not going to be masked up, at least not at the level that apparently is needed.

I have stocked up enough necessary supplies that I don't plan to go out again for a good long time. (I did go out today to top off my supply of essentials: food, dog food and, of course, wine.) I did see some masks being worn, including improvised masks that made people look like bad guys in old western movies, which is also better than nothing.

So I won't need a mask, because I won't interact with anyone outside of the house for some time. (This is not an occasion for joy, but I will live with it.) But a lot of people will have to be out, and will not have a satisfactory way to mask up.

There has been some posting here about whether we should or should not use masks, and I wasn't at all sure until very recently, which is another issue because of the uncertain, wobbly official guidance that was offered. But if we assume that the answer is that one should, the fact is that most of us can't.

To repeat, this is f--'d up.

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Right! I can just buy a 3-D printer....

Maybe I'll buy a sewing machine (probably stitch together my fingers.)

I'm starting to think about t-shirts now.

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Well, you can sew one. Yeah, that's a real good idea. I'll just fire up my sewing machine.... OK, you can wrap a bandana around your face. I don't have any bandanas, but no one else does either, so I suppose anything made of cloth would do. I thought about cutting up some t-shirts, which is something I have read about. That might be better than nothing.



This is, to be blunt, f--'d up.



Americans are not going to be masked up, at least not at the level that apparently is needed.



I have stocked up enough necessary supplies that I don't plan to go out again for a good long time. (I did go out today to top off my supply of essentials: food, dog food and, of course, wine.) I did see some masks being worn, including improvised masks that made people look like bad guys in old western movies, which is also better than nothing.


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Here’s a video on making your own masks. Just need a translator! Lol https://www.infranken.de/ueberregional/videos/Anleitung-Nase-Mund-Maske-selber-naehen-by-StayHomeAndSew;sts172965,49552




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Right! I can just buy a 3-D printer....

Maybe I'll buy a sewing machine (probably stitch together my fingers.)

I'm starting to think about t-shirts now.

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I spent some time today thinking about how I would rig up a mask.

You can't buy masks, for obvious reasons (sold out -- plus, I, as a non-medical guy, should be at the bottom of the list of priorities anyway when hospitals can't get them.) Well, you can sew one. Yeah, that's a real good idea. I'll just fire up my sewing machine.... OK, you can wrap a bandana around your face. I don't have any bandanas, but no one else does either, so I suppose anything made of cloth would do. I thought about cutting up some t-shirts, which is something I have read about. That might be better than nothing.

This is, to be blunt, f--'d up.

Americans are not going to be masked up, at least not at the level that apparently is needed.

I have stocked up enough necessary supplies that I don't plan to go out again for a good long time. (I did go out today to top off my supply of essentials: food, dog food and, of course, wine.) I did see some masks being worn, including improvised masks that made people look like bad guys in old western movies, which is also better than nothing.

So I won't need a mask, because I won't interact with anyone outside of the house for some time. (This is not an occasion for joy, but I will live with it.) But a lot of people will have to be out, and will not have a satisfactory way to mask up.

There has been some posting here about whether we should or should not use masks, and I wasn't at all sure until very recently, which is another issue because of the uncertain, wobbly official guidance that was offered. But if we assume that the answer is that one should, the fact is that most of us can't.

To repeat, this is f--'d up.

Bob.

Here are instructions and a pattern to sew a home made face mask from the NY Times. (Am not knowledgeable on the effectiveness of this, from a Medical perspective)
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I spent some time today thinking about how I would rig up a mask.

You can't buy masks, for obvious reasons (sold out -- plus, I, as a non-medical guy, should be at the bottom of the list of priorities anyway when hospitals can't get them.) Well, you can sew one. Yeah, that's a real good idea. I'll just fire up my sewing machine.... OK, you can wrap a bandana around your face. I don't have any bandanas, but no one else does either, so I suppose anything made of cloth would do. I thought about cutting up some t-shirts, which is something I have read about. That might be better than nothing.

This is, to be blunt, f--'d up.

Americans are not going to be masked up, at least not at the level that apparently is needed.

I have stocked up enough necessary supplies that I don't plan to go out again for a good long time. (I did go out today to top off my supply of essentials: food, dog food and, of course, wine.) I did see some masks being worn, including improvised masks that made people look like bad guys in old western movies, which is also better than nothing.

So I won't need a mask, because I won't interact with anyone outside of the house for some time. (This is not an occasion for joy, but I will live with it.) But a lot of people will have to be out, and will not have a satisfactory way to mask up.

There has been some posting here about whether we should or should not use masks, and I wasn't at all sure until very recently, which is another issue because of the uncertain, wobbly official guidance that was offered. But if we assume that the answer is that one should, the fact is that most of us can't.

To repeat, this is f--'d up.

Bob.

I have some dust masks from wood working, even a couple used for working with volatiles, which would be overkill.

Some ideas I have are using gauze leftover from my kids swaddling blankets and my wife says she would just use a scarf if necessary. The gauze idea would probably work better where you live, since it is hotter and would not sweat your face off.

Push comes to shove, I would fabricate something from whatever I have lying around: shoelaces, elastic, old t-shirts, etc.

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If you are planning to use normal cloth masks, I suggest making several of them and disinfect the one used each time and put it out under sun for couple of days in dry conditions. Don't re-use it for at least a week and don't wash them in your washing machines along with other cloths.

Here some people are using large handkerchiefs and double/triple it around face and tie a knot behind the head. Also do not touch masks and your face, if you do remove it immediately.

Not sure of effectiveness of that but its probably better than nothing.

One of my friends has tested +Ve (thought not very ill) and he is working in as trainee doctor in hospital. He was telling there is serious shortage of masks and gloves for even medical staff and some times they have to use their masks again.

Also, I'm not sure if already shared, but here is Boston Consultancy report on how many days lock downs may have to be extended, they seem to be covering most of the major regions.

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These all look like good ideas. I think the non-sewing masks are the only ones that I would even attempt.

Deep within a NYTimes article mentioned by @sienna that had a lot of sewing stuff, there was this, using just a t-shirt and some scissors. My speed, I think: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJaVBt8q6g8&feature=youtu.be

I also liked the one about folding a bandana, the only problem being that when she says, "Fold an ordinary bandana" I have to say, maybe you've got "ordinary bandanas" lying around the house.... but I suppose you could rig up something similar with a lot of other things.

Not medical grade because of the fabrics, but something is better than nothing, I guess.

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These all look like good ideas. I think the non-sewing masks are the only ones that I would even attempt.

Deep within a NYTimes article mentioned by @sienna that had a lot of sewing stuff, there was this, using just a t-shirt and some scissors. My speed, I think: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJaVBt8q6g8&feature=youtu.be

I also liked the one about folding a bandana, the only problem being that when she says, "Fold an ordinary bandana" I have to say, maybe you've got "ordinary bandanas" lying around the house.... but I suppose you could rig up something similar with a lot of other things.

Not medical grade because of the fabrics, but something is better than nothing, I guess.

I don't plan to be out much at all, but someone may be able to use some of these ideas. I hope so.

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I work with Ventilation, Air to Air systems, drying air, recovering humidty and devloping products to do this using dessicants. So i think this is what happening.

1. Corona Virus is exhausted with water , saliva.
2. This is 100% humidty when entering enviroment small water droplets will actually almost immediately evaporate making
this Virus airborn and it can spread very far very quickly.
3. From the Airborn spread of Virus we get mild cases since the concentration of the virus is very low and our immune
system have no problem killing it of. These cases are like the cases found in people in arriving to China by air were 5 of
6 persons tested posetive have no symtoms and devlop no symtoms either during quaranteen.
4. At Hostpitals even young doctors and Nurces get servere cases because of high concentration due to very low ventilation
rates and N95 masks takes 99 % of 300 my particles but this virus is smaller about 150 my so maybe top 50% of free
flowing viruses is filtered so plenty of fresh air supply important.

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I think it's funny that a post I made late last night, when I was basically just grumbling discontentedly about no one being able to get a mask, resulted in a flood of make-it-yourself mask ideas (generally not needing a sewing machine, another thing I grumbled about), and reminded me that a little bit of Googling will solve many problems, as, pretty often, will posting here.

I don't know which is better or worse. It probably depends a lot on the fabric you use, and we're not talking medical grade here, just some level of basic protection. I think a lot of them will work well enough.

Thanks again to all who chipped in with ideas. I may just try the one posted lately by @srgtroy, where you just cut a square out of a bedsheet and then use some elastic bands and a paper clip. A huge advance over "download a pattern, cut it out, and sew it on your sewing machine."

Funny how grumbling will sometimes produce progress....

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our inquisition about the roles that certain individuals played in Wuhan - to discover the "very suspicious" fact that the Wuhan Bio lab had a job opening from November 18, 2019, asking for scientists to come and research the relationship between the coronavirus and bats.

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/man-behind-global-coronavirus-pandemic

the job opening appeared on December 24th (remember this is before any news broke of the virus publicly), which basically says 'we've discovered a new and terrible virus and would like to recruit people to come deal with it'...

he discovers silenced scientists, disappeared doctors, and constant propaganda...

"...it's quite clear that the Chinese government needs to close its mouth and acknowledge that this virus did in fact come from Wuhan, Hubei, China."

CCP's .. understanding of the danger of the virus on a pure scientific level -
CCP then silenced those who wanted to warn the public... and letting the virus spread for months


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[Wuahn virus cross to humans] could have occurred as a laboratory accident, with, for example, an accidental infection of a laboratory worker.” He noted that bat coronaviruses were studied in Wuhan at Biosafety Level 2, “which provides only minimal protection,” compared with the top BSL-4.

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I think this is about terrifying the population to take control.

Co-ordinated effort to terrify people and break the supply chains.

I have noticed articles like:
  • congress to put 50% tax on firearrms and ammo
  • not accepting cash - pushing towards cash confiscation and making it illegal (aka Cyprus banks and India)
  • idiot Bill G- everyone must show vaccination card - digital and then it will be chip and bioscan
    (It wouldn't be so bad if the brain dead weren't stabilizing vaccines with toxic Mercury instead of other methods)
  • Sweden doing fine with relaxed attitude - no lock downs
  • Ontario banning sale of automotive supplies, office supplies, hardware and SAFETY supplies (gotta be some fiercely stupid people there! - I want a carbon monoxide detector - nope we want you to die instead, I care for the elderly shut-ins and my car needs some oil - nope let them die. I need to buy some hardware to ready a place to rent - nope let be homeless and de on the streets.. How about a pen and paper to write to my mother ... f'k off let her last days be in isolation and fear.)


40,000 deaths for each 1% rise in unemployment. NY times estimates it is now a 13% increase
13 * 40K = 520,000 deaths


Jim Grant, this action of killing the economy is far worse that the virus



The Chezks are kicking ass by wearing face-coverings / masks.
be nice to see the WHO director tarred and feathered.

This whole mess could have been avoided with intelligence. Continue on like Sweden but have people wear masks or face coverings. Put in air sterilizers in work and public places and not shut-down.

"Oh but that would be effective.! we don't want that!"
"That would mean less deaths, less terror and stop our control. - we don't want that"

=============== WAR of TERROR on AMERICA by its own "authorities" ============

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It was obvious in January that this was going to be bad, and In February everyone should have been told to wear masks or face coverings. That was common sense. That is also Gold standard in preventing spread and "flattening the curve."


The brain-dead cost lives.

These at the top will shift their position and recommend face-coverings too late. The public won't remember the stupidity and incompetence of their actions unless they are called-out on it. They later will cover their life-costing stupidity with garage like "new research suggest that everyone should wear a face-covering". That is nonsense. Face covering was the Gold standard back in SARS and Swine Flu and before.
In the Spanish flu -see prior post - see movie they new of face covering.

So AS PREDICTED they will use words like "NEW RESEARCH" to let themselves off the hook and pretend they were giving competent advice. EVEN a fairly slow CHILD could have told you more than a month ago that everyone should wear a mask or face covering.

Now (drumroll please) here it is:


"This means that the virus can spread between people interacting in close proximity—for example, speaking, coughing, or sneezing—even if those people are not exhibiting symptoms. In light of this new evidence, CDC recommends wearing cloth face coverings in public settings where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain (e.g., grocery stores and pharmacies) especially in areas of significant community-based transmission.

It is critical to emphasize that maintaining 6-feet social distancing remains important to slowing the spread of the virus. CDC is additionally advising the use of simple cloth face coverings to slow the spread of the virus and help people who may have the virus and do not know it from transmitting it to others. Cloth face coverings fashioned from household items or made at home from common materials at low cost can be used as an additional, voluntary public health measure."

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover.html

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And the BRAIN DEAD continue to cost thousands of lives..

I hope they tar-and feather these buffoons - but sue them into the ground first leave them penniless like the millions of Americans their buffoonery caused

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We found out today our daughter has covid-19. She is a RN and has a 6 month old baby. The baby and her husband have been sick this past week and did not respond to antibiotics and will find out tomorrow if the health dept. wants them tested. If you pray, please pray for them. Thanks

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These all look like good ideas. I think the non-sewing masks are the only ones that I would even attempt.

Deep within a NYTimes article mentioned by @sienna that had a lot of sewing stuff, there was this, using just a t-shirt and some scissors. My speed, I think: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJaVBt8q6g8&feature=youtu.be

I also liked the one about folding a bandana, the only problem being that when she says, "Fold an ordinary bandana" I have to say, maybe you've got "ordinary bandanas" lying around the house.... but I suppose you could rig up something similar with a lot of other things.

Not medical grade because of the fabrics, but something is better than nothing, I guess.

I don't plan to be out much at all, but someone may be able to use some of these ideas. I hope so.

Bob.

My wife shared this video with me and thought of you. Brilliant I think and they look like they fit tight enough. I might try it just for fun. There are two parts to this: Keeping the virus away from others and keeping it away from you. Combined with social distancing, masks could have a big impact.

Sanitizing masks in the sun works, which I know you have plenty of (I used to live in Cape Coral and Fort Myers). Do not store your masks in plastic bags, paper is okay.

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My wife shared this video with me and thought of you. Brilliant I think and they look like they fit tight enough. I might try it just for fun. There are two parts to this: Keeping the virus away from others and keeping it away from you. Combined with social distancing, masks could have a big impact.

Sanitizing masks in the sun works, which I know you have plenty of (I used to live in Cape Coral and Fort Myers). Do not store your masks in plastic bags, paper is okay.

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This is brilliant -- making a mask out of a sock. And hilarious too. It does look simple and it would be better than breathing unfiltered air.

It reminded me of the video I linked somewhere up above about using a t-shirt, and I suppose that you could use any material; this particular type of design includes cutting the ties as part of the material itself, rather than using something like elastic bands. I think the factor that would be most important is the material itself, that is, how fine a mesh it uses and so how small the holes are that would stop or let in particles. I imagine that an athletic sock would not be all that finely-meshed. Some of the other designs involve folding the material several times, which probably would make for better filtering.

The really hilarious thing is to be discussing the merits of a sock vs. a t-shirt vs. a folded square of bedsheet or a bandana as a virus filter, but necessity is the mother of invention.

FYI, FIO does not have a way to run mp4 files any more (which has made some of the older webinars unviewable -- although Mike will convert them to html5 on request), so I had to use Chrome to open it in a new window and then Windows natively ran it in its TV and Movies app with a click. Just in case anyone wants to view how to make a mask from an athletic sock.

Thanks for this. We are building up a DIY mask library here....

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We found out today our daughter has covid-19. She is a RN and has a 6 month old baby. The baby and her husband have been sick this past week and did not respond to antibiotics and will find out tomorrow if the health dept. wants them tested. If you pray, please pray for them. Thanks

Sorry to hear this.

Praying for the whole world right now, your daughter's family included.

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Our thoughts and prayers are with your family and your daughters family, and frankly everyone's who is dealing with situations like yours.

Thank your daughter for being a RN and fighting the good fight on the front lines, even though she didn't have the proper safety equipment.
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an article yesterday on the main Italian business newspaper: "Il Sole 24 Ore" on how this pandemic could have been prevented.

Also: thank you WHO. ... even though it appears that your Officers could have done a better job. Never mind maybe next time will be a better one.

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Thanks for sharing. To me, this seems obvious, but I worked for 12 years in restaurants and bars (mostly in managements), so hand washing and elimination of cross-contamination are second nature. I think this is useful for those who do not have a background where this sort of thing is just day-to-day operational.

I flip out when I see someone in my house use the same utensil on raw foods (e.g. chicken and vegetables), or double-dipping a spreading knife in mayonnaise, butter or other spread.

I used the ATM to make a bank deposit this past Sunday. I walked to the bank, used a wooden skewer to push buttons, and discarded it after I was done. I used one knuckle for the touch screen and didn't touch that knuckle until I was able to wash it.

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Thanks for sharing. To me, this seems obvious, but I worked for 12 years in restaurants and bars (mostly in managements), so hand washing and elimination of cross-contamination are second nature. I think this is useful for those who do not have a background where this sort of thing is just day-to-day operational.

I flip out when I see someone in my house use the same utensil on raw foods (e.g. chicken and vegetables), or double-dipping a spreading knife in mayonnaise, butter or other spread.

I used the ATM to make a bank deposit this past Sunday. I walked to the bank, used a wooden skewer to push buttons, and discarded it after I was done. I used one knuckle for the touch screen and didn't touch that knuckle until I was able to wash it.

That's how I roll.

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I believe what you wrote speaks more to who you are, your character and your habits than your background.

I say this because there have been videos of people recommending certain things to others (e.g. "do not touch your face"), and then failing to follow their own advice, and I do not think for a moment most of them did so out of carelessness - it was just done out of habit.

Initially it would make sense to be surprised at certain individuals in the medical profession cathing the virus - there were two high-profile infections recently: the Chief Medical Officer in the UK and the former head of Civil Protection in Italy (another doctor) and thankfully both are now recovered - but when you consider your day to day routines and habits you've got to wonder how much they played a part in their getting the virus: for example, if you tend to wet your fingers before flipping the pages of a book, that habit is ingrained in you, so it's hard to get rid of it.

I think it's important to make this distinction because - in an emergency such as this - some people would benefit from rethinking their habits, i.e. do a bit of deliberate practice in hygiene management.

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I believe what you wrote speaks more to who you are, your character and your habits than your background.

I say this because there have been videos of people recommending certain things to others (e.g. "do not touch your face"), and then failing to follow their own advice, and I do not think for a moment most of them did so out of carelessness - it was just done out of habit.

Initially it would make sense to be surprised at certain individuals in the medical profession cathing the virus - there were two high-profile infections recently: the Chief Medical Officer in the UK and the former head of Civil Protection in Italy (another doctor) and thankfully both are now recovered - but when you consider your day to day routines and habits you've got to wonder how much they played a part in their getting the virus: for example, if you tend to wet your fingers before flipping the pages of a book, that habit is ingrained in you, so it's hard to get rid of it.

I think it's important to make this distinction because - in an emergency such as this - some people would benefit from rethinking their habits, i.e. do a bit of deliberate practice in hygiene management.

Excellent points. Two bad habits I have that you have metioned: touching face and licking my fingers to turn pages.... all too often and mostly subconsciously. Always room for improvement.

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I don't think this is a smoking gun regarding Trump's advocacy of hydroxychloroquine, although it is interesting.

I think it is important to know the financial interests of all public officials, and apparently President Trump has indirect holdings in Sanofi, a French drug company that sells hydroxychloroquine, an old drug that is now generic, although not in the US:


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As of last year, Mr. Trump reported that his three family trusts each had investments in a Dodge & Cox mutual fund, whose largest holding was in Sanofi.

Ashleigh Koss, a Sanofi spokeswoman, said the company no longer sells or distributes Plaquenil in the United States, although it does sell it internationally.

(Source, HYTimes, https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-malaria-drug.ht...potlight&pgtype=Homepage ).

There are quite a few business people with some connection the president who are also mentioned in this article and who also have some financial stake in the drug, but the thrust of the article is more that it is medically controversial. I don't doubt that there is a money interest for some people as well, and that this is driving the efforts that some have made to interest Trump in the drug as a treatment.

But there is little to go on right now, and I don't see this as telling us much, at least regarding the president himself.

And, for what it's worth, it ought to be US law that no President or Vice President should have any holdings that are not in a blind trust, but that's a matter for the future.

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Totally agree with you about the blind trust requirement. We actually shouldn't need a law. We should have leaders with the moral clarity to do it voluntary. But obviously, on a practical level, we do need the law, and we need to extend it to Congress as well, given all the Congress people on both sides of the aisle who sold their stocks after a classified Intel briefing.

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Totally agree with you about the blind trust requirement. We actually shouldn't need a law. We should have leaders with the moral clarity to do it voluntary. But obviously, on a practical level, we do need the law, and we need to extend it to Congress as well, given all the Congress people on both sides of the aisle who sold their stocks after a classified Intel briefing.

What we have, which is not enough, is the fact that this kind of thing does tend to come out, and once it goes under the microscope it becomes hard to keep it invisible.

There was no need for a law until now, because it was just the thing to do, as was understood by everyone.

If there is anything to the hydroxychloroquine financial connection, that will be found out eventually. It just shouldn't be something that is even possible.

Same goes for Congress, and anyone in a position of public trust.

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What we have, which is not enough, is the fact that this kind of thing does tend to come out, and once it goes under the microscope it becomes hard to keep it invisible.

There was no need for a law until now, because it was just the thing to do, as was understood by everyone.

If there is anything to the hydroxychloroquine financial connection, that will be found out eventually. It just shouldn't be something that is even possible.

Same goes for Congress, and anyone in a position of public trust.

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Indeed, a whole lot of norms have been shattered, ones that will now have to be codified into law.

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I dont think any and sain person in goverment position have the slightest thought that they need to make money on Corona virus drugs and their Funds is in most cases managed anyway by third party which ofcourse must be okey. Seems this Malaria drug causes that eldery sick people condition can instead worsen rapidly when administered so Sweden stop using it due to an interveiw with a Head doctor weeks ago.

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Hydroxychloroquine is not a cure, it effects virus multiplication rate and therefor something recommended for "medical staff" treating large number of corona patients in hospitals so they can reduce rate of virus multiplication due to repeated exposure in their own body. In their case benefit outweighs the risk.

Its problem is that it causes QT prolongation, in layman terms it means "fast chaotic heartbeats".
Which can trigger many more complications, especially if you already have heart related issues.

One other drug called "Ivermectin" is also being tested, its pesticide and its usually used for killing of tapeworms in body, in primary lab testings (not human) its shown to reduce virus multiplication by 100's of folds.

Neither of the above is actually yet recommended treatments on patients as testing is pending. I've no idea why suddenly world went crazy over it and started hoarding, BUT I want to make it abundantly clear here that both of these drugs are extremely dangerous depending on your own body condition, do not self medicate and do not buy them unless your doctor recommends it. It might kill you faster than corona itself if you do that, one doctor in India died due to side effects from Hydroxychloroquine
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/coronavirus-in-india-guwahati-doctor-dies-after-allegedly-taking-hydroxychloroquine-1661535-2020-03-30

I'm only posting this to caution people from buying and taking it going by news headlines. Journalism has really gone down the drain worldwide.
Stay safe, don't self medicate and don't panic. This will go away.

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Hydroxychloroquine is not a cure, it effects virus multiplication rate and therefor something recommended for "medical staff" treating large number of corona patients in hospitals so they can reduce rate of virus multiplication due to repeated exposure in their own body. In their case benefit outweighs the risk.

I didn't notice the Dr. or M.D in your profile?

Perhaps the best option would be to allow your personal physician decide how to administer treatment options.

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I didn't notice the Dr. or M.D in your profile?

Perhaps the best option would be to allow your personal physician decide how to administer treatment options.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm trying to promote.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/08/corona-bonds-reasons-why-germany-and-the-netherlands-oppose-the-idea.html

For a number of weeks now, some countries in the EU have argued for a debt instrument (by some dubbed "corona bonds") to help curb the economic fallout from Covid-19.

France, Italy and Spain are among the supporters of the idea.

Germany, Finland, The Netherlands and Austria oppose the idea.


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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/08/corona-bonds-reasons-why-germany-and-the-netherlands-oppose-the-idea.html

For a number of weeks now, some countries in the EU have argued for a debt instrument (by some dubbed "corona bonds") to help curb the economic fallout from Covid-19.

France, Italy and Spain are among the supporters of the idea.

Germany, Finland, The Netherlands and Austria oppose the idea.


I would be very interested in the views of FIO users around this - especially keen to read opposing points of view about the subject.

This news article has just come out

https://www.euronews.com/2020/04/09/coronavirus-eurogroup-finance-ministers-agree-on-500-billion-emergency-fund


Nonetheless I'm still interested in opposing views on this.

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Here is some news from Sweden as of yesterday that i looked at this morning. ( I am expat working in Shanghai area )

1. Social distancing in Stockholm restaurants is not working. They became crowded when sun came out 2 days ago. Prime minister was pissed of and will look in on how to close them since really there is no law that can force people to stay home.

2. Total deaths are the same as last year statistics at the same time without Corona Virus and Flue season 2 years ago it was actually much worse 2-3 times higher even thought Vaccination program was rigorous. Since this info is public Social distancing is less effective amoung younger generation.

3. Corona testing amoung sample groups indicate that 5-10% of total population is currently infected. Thats up to 1 million. This is also inline with Normal flue seasons and there is noway to stop it you can only delay it. Ongoing test will try to determain how many have already been infected. Swedish system is total all databases from all areas in goverment including hospitals can be runned together.

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