As said, I am only posting for completeness because the Market Making Manual is no longer available to purchase on the Jigsaw site. I am guessing they had problems with copyright infringement and also people recording and leaking the quarterly live sessions with Gary Norden so he pulled the plug on it. Which is a shame because although as purchasers we still have access to the Manual and videos, and the scalping style hasn't worked for me, the information is very useful and the live sessions were interesting.

Back on July 28th Gary sent out a newsletter announcing a new website. Customers that bought the Jigsaw course will be able to get access to the new course at no cost. Hence why it's not on the Jigsaw site anymore.

I contacted him on twitter to get more details, and we ended up doing a Skype interview. We talked for about 4 hours, and I really enjoyed talking with him. We talked about trading in general, and he gave me a full rundown of what the new course will be like. I'll have to edit the interview down a bit so you don't have to watch 4 hours of video, but I'll be posting the interview around the time the site goes live.

Anyways I'm not going to give away any details, but I'm quite excited to see how it goes.

Back on July 28th Gary sent out a newsletter announcing a new website. Customers that bought the Jigsaw course will be able to get access to the new course at no cost. Hence why it's not on the Jigsaw site anymore.

I agree a video or two of Gary actually trading would have been very helpful, even just a few trades. Personally I was never sure if I was trying to trade too far from the market, especially when the Covid volatility hit.
But the section added to the Manual on “Adjustments for Faster/Thinner/More Volatile Markets” was appreciated. Along with the other original pages on faster Markets which were helpful too. And the Pearls of Wisdom section which had user trade videos narrated on by Gary contained a large proportion of thin product videos, Dax, NQ, which I appreciated as I had principally settled upon the NQ. That also seems understandable as although Gary never specifically said which markets he trades, he certainly alluded two or three times across the Manual and Quarterly Session Videos that he himself favoured the thinner products.

After yesterday’s email from Jigsaw which very much implied Manual purchasers would shortly be left to swivel in the the wind,



I did email Gary just to confirm that the MMM purchasers were included with reference to his recent email which said “Anyone who has previously purchased a futures trading course of mine will be welcome to receive access to the corresponding course on the new site at no cost.”
I wanted to be absolutely sure as one could easily argue that the MMM was a Jigsaw course as it was purchased from them and accessed through their site.
Gary’s rapid reply was all good though. I don’t normally share emails but do so for anybody who bought the Manual and isn’t a subscriber to Gary’s own email newsletter. If they happen to see this it could save them wondering what’s going on and emailing him themselves, and it provides the general sign up link to register for information about his new site.





You know that you don’t actually have to announce to the forum’s users that you don’t want them all contacting you personally. You could simply uncheck the "Enable Direct Messaging" or check the "Receive Direct Messages only from Contacts and Moderators" box in the User Control Panel Edit Options menu in the usual way that others do.

The reason for this is lots of "big floor traders" in the pits have struggled to transition to electronic trading! The reason for this (in my opinion) is the creation of algorithms eating the floor traders edge!

My understanding is that in the pits you knew who placed trades for the large institutions so when you saw one of those people coming in you knew they were going to be putting a large order through. And as there was no electronic order book queue, a trader could turn round and front run that order, by immediately hitting in with their order against somebody else who may not have spotted the institutional trader stepping forward amongst all the other action that was going on.
With screen trading there are neither of those advantages.


I bought the Norden course when it was available from Jigsaw. He is now selling it from his own site.
As a Jigsaw purchaser we have access to the introductory Yellow Jacket course (I think that one may be free for people who register on his website), then the Silver Jacket course which is basically the same as the Jigsaw course, with some small improvements for clarity in the layout and text. (Jigsaw purchasers have access as the manual will be being removed from the Jigsaw site in the near future so we still need access to it).

What Jigsaw purchasers don't have anymore is the ongoing quarterly Q&A session videos with Gary as they are now a subscription extra for monthly video meetup sessions and course content updates.

I liked Gary's books and his presentation style and the course content but he does say that he doesn't think everybody can learn to trade and it didn't work for me. I tried the NQ and I could make it work for me for periods of time but in reality the maths wasn't really on my side for long term profitability and when things didn't work they ended badly. Trying to cut losses more quickly reduced win rate, or taking small losing days could end the day too quickly. I tried a few other products like the ES but found I really struggled for fills except on the trades going against me then it was hard to get out without just taking a quick loss which again affected win rate. I also found I really was only profitable in a small window of time and outside of similar market attributes I struggled too.
So for me I couldn't get it to work, but there are other people who say it or similar methods works for them, and logically what he was teaching makes sense unlike a lot of magic indicator, "institutional levels" or special zones type trading education sellers.

I think if you read his book(s), and believe what he says makes sense, and you can afford the course, then give it a go.
I understand the Red Jacket Course is the same as the Silver, but with some additional videos included, from looking at the course content descriptions.
Personally I would go for the videos, but either way I would also pay for the monthly meetings for the additional education and feedback if you do decide to try.
Just my thoughts.

Hi

Appreciate the feedback. What's the overall style of trading? Is its extremely short term trading i.e. 1 or 2 ticks? As i understand Stage 5 is in partnership with much reduced turn around costs.

Just a quick note to say that I did read the above. It is important to me that you know I'm not ignoring it.

But - I am not going to respond to anything Gary says at this point.

I know this leaves a lot of unanswered questions but answering them will simply open wounds that need to heal.