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Hi all,


I've been trading a few years now in different markets and have been focused on futures for the last half a year. I was trading through AMP using tradingview as the platform but hated how they integrated with eachother and eventually stopped using it. I switched back to thinkorswim as I started getting into tick charts more and have been paper trading on there with A LOT more success for a couple of months but they won't approve me for live trading so I'm looking for another broker.

So I'm on the hunt for a decent broker/platorm that won't break the bank. I figured I'd put out a feeler with people who are way more experienced in all of this and see if I could possibly get some recommendations instead of wondering around from demo to demo. I like to keep things simple so my requirements are pretty simple:

-tick charts(this is more the data feed side, correct?)
-indicator programming(I made a couple of indicators in thinkscript that I'd like to duplicate)
-OCO orders
-decently cheap(right now I'd rather have the cost hidden in the fees instead of upfront for the time being)
-decent platform interface(tradingview's is extremely good at this)
-sim trading if possible

I tried ninjatrader 7 the other day and it was just horrible so I'm just trying to avoid having to waste a ton of time searching. Honestly, my ideal setup would be if tradingview had tick chart abilities and a better way to track trades but that is not possible. Any recommendations or help would be greatly appreciated.



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Hi all,


I've been trading a few years now in different markets and have been focused on futures for the last half a year. I was trading through AMP using tradingview as the platform but hated how they integrated with eachother and eventually stopped using it. I switched back to thinkorswim as I started getting into tick charts more and have been paper trading on there with A LOT more success for a couple of months but they won't approve me for live trading so I'm looking for another broker.

So I'm on the hunt for a decent broker/platorm that won't break the bank. I figured I'd put out a feeler with people who are way more experienced in all of this and see if I could possibly get some recommendations instead of wondering around from demo to demo. I like to keep things simple so my requirements are pretty simple:

-tick charts(this is more the data feed side, correct?)
-indicator programming(I made a couple of indicators in thinkscript that I'd like to duplicate)
-OCO orders
-decently cheap(right now I'd rather have the cost hidden in the fees instead of upfront for the time being)
-decent platform interface(tradingview's is extremely good at this)
-sim trading if possible

I tried ninjatrader 7 the other day and it was just horrible so I'm just trying to avoid having to waste a ton of time searching. Honestly, my ideal setup would be if tradingview had tick chart abilities and a better way to track trades but that is not possible. Any recommendations or help would be greatly appreciated.



Thank you



If I were you, I would give Ninja a chance. To be honest, in my opinion I think Ninja Trader is the most user friendly platform out there that doesn't look like it's from the 1980's. Some of these other platforms are pretty ugly, but the platform is not going to make you money, you are.

I started with Ninja Trader and Kinetick for data so I might have a bias, correction I started with TOS and then went to Ninja. I don't think you can come into trading being cheap. I mean you can, but TOS' commissions are pretty expensive. I would go with Ninja Trader, Kinetick, Ninja as an introducing broker "Dorman."

Keep in mind cheap is not always good. The questions you're asking about "cheap “you might have to really look inward on your money mindset. It's all a business expense.

Ninja and Kinetick is your one stop shop.

Good luck.

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I tried ninjatrader 7 the other day...

NinjaTrader 8 is the current version and the one you should try as a new user.

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Hi all,


I've been trading a few years now in different markets and have been focused on futures for the last half a year. I was trading through AMP using tradingview as the platform but hated how they integrated with eachother and eventually stopped using it. I switched back to thinkorswim as I started getting into tick charts more and have been paper trading on there with A LOT more success for a couple of months but they won't approve me for live trading so I'm looking for another broker.

So I'm on the hunt for a decent broker/platorm that won't break the bank. I figured I'd put out a feeler with people who are way more experienced in all of this and see if I could possibly get some recommendations instead of wondering around from demo to demo. I like to keep things simple so my requirements are pretty simple:

-tick charts(this is more the data feed side, correct?)
-indicator programming(I made a couple of indicators in thinkscript that I'd like to duplicate)
-OCO orders
-decently cheap(right now I'd rather have the cost hidden in the fees instead of upfront for the time being)
-decent platform interface(tradingview's is extremely good at this)
-sim trading if possible

I tried ninjatrader 7 the other day and it was just horrible so I'm just trying to avoid having to waste a ton of time searching. Honestly, my ideal setup would be if tradingview had tick chart abilities and a better way to track trades but that is not possible. Any recommendations or help would be greatly appreciated.



Thank you

NT8 is a decent platform. I suggest you try it if the only NT version you know is NT7 (you can get a demo from the NT site, I believe).

Unfortunately, with NT you are restricted to NT Brokerage and a few other brokers. Again, check the NT site.

A very good platform, the one I use in fact, is Sierra Chart. It is available from a pretty wide range of brokers; since you mentioned AMP, believe AMP offers a free copy of SC (you mentioned cheap), although you should check with them. I believe that AMP offers a large variety of other platforms, generally free if I'm not mistaken; again, check with them. This is not terribly unusual, as many brokers do this. The platform and the broker are usually separate, unlike ThinkOrSwim, for example. I'm not saying anything about AMP one way or another, but if you already have an account there, you might as well try out what's available. Other brokers generally will have similar offerings as well.

Sierra Chart is extremely full-featured and highly configurable. Unfortunately, the downside is that it is complex and somewhat hard to learn, and the documentation, although very complete, is also very hard to use. The general consensus on this forum among SC users is that it is hard to get used to, and also that it's worth it. (This probably reflects the fact that potential users who didn't want to go up the learning curve just said to hell with it, so only those who stuck it out are left. ) My experience has been that, once you have gone up that curve, it is actually very simple to use. But there is a curve to go up.

I would say that Sierra Chart checks all the boxes you listed. Since I'm not sure what issues you had with NT7, I can't address them, except to repeat the advice to try NT8. I do believe you have to pay an ongoing platform license fee for NT, however.

Personally, I would use Sierra Chart in preference to TOS and TradingView (I have used both and found them limited), and above NT (I have used NT7 and NT8 also and liked both, but prefer SC for its speed and small memory footprint.)

You actually can trade very well with any platform that is stable and has the basics. I agree with you about tick charts in TradingView, but then I regard tick and volume bar charts as among the basics, which is part of why I found it limiting.

You'll probably will want (or need) to try a number of demo versions of different platforms until you find something that suits you. Although you can get suggestions from other traders, in the end it will be what appeals to you that matters, which means trying some out.

Good luck. I know this kind of search can be aggravating, but you may just have to do it.

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Hi all,


I've been trading a few years now in different markets and have been focused on futures for the last half a year. I was trading through AMP using tradingview as the platform but hated how they integrated with eachother and eventually stopped using it. I switched back to thinkorswim as I started getting into tick charts more and have been paper trading on there with A LOT more success for a couple of months but they won't approve me for live trading so I'm looking for another broker.

So I'm on the hunt for a decent broker/platorm that won't break the bank. I figured I'd put out a feeler with people who are way more experienced in all of this and see if I could possibly get some recommendations instead of wondering around from demo to demo. I like to keep things simple so my requirements are pretty simple:

-tick charts(this is more the data feed side, correct?)
-indicator programming(I made a couple of indicators in thinkscript that I'd like to duplicate)
-OCO orders
-decently cheap(right now I'd rather have the cost hidden in the fees instead of upfront for the time being)
-decent platform interface(tradingview's is extremely good at this)
-sim trading if possible
Thank you

As @bobwest mentioned, Sierra would fit your needs from a functionality perspective, and it is very light on resources. Consider also Multicharts if you like modern visual display, and recently even motive wave made some significant changes to their platform that would allow you to have an excellent visual presentation of charts and dom. Not to overwhelm you, but one of the recent customers we brought from TD, loves CQG Desktop, which is web-based and has a phone application.

One thing I want you to be aware of is that you can separate between charts and execution. Let's say you use CQG or Rithmic as your source of execution and data; you can have one of those data for display, and another execution on separate platforms. For example, If you like TradingView for the display of charts, we can use that over CQG data and find another platform that would serve side by side for execution while all tie to the same account.

I hope this helps.

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Thank you all for the inputs. I noticed NT has been recommended quite a bit. Since I posted the thread I gave NT another try with the newest version of NT 8 and I still just despise the charting. For instance: I Googled it and it does not seem possible to change how far you can zoom out so you are stuck with an incredibly small view so drawing/spotting price action stuff is aggravating.

Plus they've been spamming me with phonecalls and emails since I signed up which REALLY put a bad taste it my mouth. Since making the OP I have tried a bunch of demos and pretty much settled on multicharts.net. It too seems to limit how far you can zoom out but I love the rest of the program. The whole program is pretty intuitive and I've already setup my order templates which was pretty easy. For the time being I'm simply going to use it for order execution like @mattz suggested and leave the charting for ToS.

I appreciate all of the help everybody.

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Thank you all for the inputs. I noticed NT has been recommended quite a bit. Since I posted the thread I gave NT another try with the newest version of NT 8 and I still just despise the charting. For instance: I Googled it and it does not seem possible to change how far you can zoom out so you are stuck with an incredibly small view so drawing/spotting price action stuff is aggravating.

Plus they've been spamming me with phonecalls and emails since I signed up which REALLY put a bad taste it my mouth. Since making the OP I have tried a bunch of demos and pretty much settled on multicharts.net. It too seems to limit how far you can zoom out but I love the rest of the program. The whole program is pretty intuitive and I've already setup my order templates which was pretty easy. For the time being I'm simply going to use it for order execution like @mattz suggested and leave the charting for ToS.

I appreciate all of the help everybody.

What do you mean zoom in? Grab the time, click, go left for larger go right for smaller.

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Thank you all for the inputs. I noticed NT has been recommended quite a bit. Since I posted the thread I gave NT another try with the newest version of NT 8 and I still just despise the charting. For instance: I Googled it and it does not seem possible to change how far you can zoom out so you are stuck with an incredibly small view so drawing/spotting price action stuff is aggravating.

Plus they've been spamming me with phonecalls and emails since I signed up which REALLY put a bad taste it my mouth. Since making the OP I have tried a bunch of demos and pretty much settled on multicharts.net. It too seems to limit how far you can zoom out but I love the rest of the program. The whole program is pretty intuitive and I've already setup my order templates which was pretty easy. For the time being I'm simply going to use it for order execution like @mattz suggested and leave the charting for ToS.

I appreciate all of the help everybody.

grab the x or y axis and move it up or down also there are key strokes that do this and move the candle widths

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Hi all,





I've been trading a few years now in different markets and have been focused on futures for the last half a year. I was trading through AMP using tradingview as the platform but hated how they integrated with eachother and eventually stopped using it. I switched back to thinkorswim as I started getting into tick charts more and have been paper trading on there with A LOT more success for a couple of months but they won't approve me for live trading so I'm looking for another broker.



So I'm on the hunt for a decent broker/platorm that won't break the bank. I figured I'd put out a feeler with people who are way more experienced in all of this and see if I could possibly get some recommendations instead of wondering around from demo to demo. I like to keep things simple so my requirements are pretty simple:



-tick charts(this is more the data feed side, correct?)

-indicator programming(I made a couple of indicators in thinkscript that I'd like to duplicate)

-OCO orders

-decently cheap(right now I'd rather have the cost hidden in the fees instead of upfront for the time being)

-decent platform interface(tradingview's is extremely good at this)

-sim trading if possible



I tried ninjatrader 7 the other day and it was just horrible so I'm just trying to avoid having to waste a ton of time searching. Honestly, my ideal setup would be if tradingview had tick chart abilities and a better way to track trades but that is not possible. Any recommendations or help would be greatly appreciated.







Thank you



Tradestation does all this and way more. 3.00 total commission per futures contract round trip. Great mobile app, web trading, phone support. All the historical data you could want, forex data, access to European markets, there’s not much they don’t do.

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grab the x or y axis and move it up or down also there are key strokes that do this and move the candle widths

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Damn am I an idiot haha. How did I completely miss this? I'm just so used to a zoom option(buttons/mouse wheel) that this didn't even dawn on me. That sure helps with charting in MC.net! I'll give NT another go, now. So embarrassing lol.

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I've heard good things about TradeStation but have never used it myself. Have any of you used R|Trader Pro / Rithmic?

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I've heard good things about TradeStation but have never used it myself. Have any of you used R|Trader Pro / Rithmic?

Not sure if you aware but TradeStation does not offer R Trader, since you wrote both in the same sentence.

We use R Trader and R Trader Pro quite extensively, and our experience is quite positive.
You can use the Rithmic data feed also third party software like Sierrachart, Muticharts, Motivewave, etc.
The R Trader is free of charge and does not include charts and could be used for executions while you charting could be on a different software utilizing Rithmic. R Trader is a simple platform and not overwhelming.

I hope this helps you in making a decision.

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Not sure if you aware but TradeStation does not offer R Trader, since you wrote both in the same sentence.

We use R Trader and R Trader Pro quite extensively, and our experience is quite positive.
You can use the Rithmic data feed also third party software like Sierrachart, Muticharts, Motivewave, etc.
The R Trader is free of charge and does not include charts and could be used for executions while you charting could be on a different software utilizing Rithmic. R Trader is a simple platform and not overwhelming.

I hope this helps you in making a decision.

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Sorry, they were two separate topics for which I should have started a new paragraph I didn't realize these tools were so segregated and specific as to their purpose. I appreciate the information!

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Sorry, they were two separate topics for which I should have started a new paragraph I didn't realize these tools were so segregated and specific as to their purpose. I appreciate the information!

No worries! I know that different components could be quite overwhelming so I wanted to be sure. Glad to help!

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I used NinjaTrader 8 with Interactive Brokers about a year ago and it was absolutely awful from a performance perspective - awful being defined as bad enough to count a lot seconds while it built a 10 minute chart.

This was during the tribulations of late 2018. and IB's tws servers were also hammered now and then, at least in NJ.

Maybe NT is better with Kinetic data or some other brokers.

I have used TradeStation for a long time. It is OK performance wise but it has it's share of bugs. The data feed quality is not good, probably makes no big difference but that can be annoying to certain types of personality.

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Another TradeStation comment...

Their browser app is quite good, by far the best I've seen. In many ways it is better than their desktop app. With an HD monitor it is easy to fit quotes/charts/and an order entry matrix on the screen. Chrome is such a CPU pig anyway, might as well give it a little more work to do.

Same applies to their mobile app.

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I want to share my trading experience with Fiatotrade . Two years ago I started a small amount, received a little profit and withdrew the entire amount without any problems. Then after some time he threw quite a large amount and began to trade in large volumes. Problems began in the form of slippages and requotes, as it turned out later - this is due to the fact that the type of account was Standard . In general, I decided to withdraw the entire amount again, they asked me to confirm the passport data (probably because the amount was large). Confirmed - withdrawn in 5 minutes. Then I took a break again and a year ago I decided again to trade with this broker. Again I started a large amount, but already on the ECN account. There was no requote, and with slippings almost without problems. In general, trade is on its own, and profit is also available and derived. Therefore, I remain with this broker for now, because I checked it on my own skin.

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I've heard good things about TradeStation but have never used it myself. Have any of you used R|Trader Pro / Rithmic?

I have previously used Tradestation without any issues.

I now use Rithmic > Multicharts(for charting). I use the R Trader DOM for execution rather than chart trading. Fairly straightforward to set up & use.

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I still use Ninjatrader 7 /w cqg liftetime license since 2012. And before that I had also started with ThinkorSwim before TDA acquired it. ToS has come a long ways very nicely as TDA kept improving it since. An example is the DOM performance and visuals both in sim and live is far better and robust than back then. However, I still like NT7 for the "granularity" visuals possible, a simpler chart focused layout compared to ToS which is stuck all the ancillary elements on the sides that come with the overall platform, and the procedural based and C# related scripting offering more control of modding custom indicators and details. And you can add C# graphical elements to an NT7 chart using C# libraries. While Thinkscript is recursive, insular limited, and very closed typed. The download section here has so many amazing and creative indicators that FatTails and others have made and shared over the years.

Interestingly, and this may be helpful to some with NT7 lifetime licenses, AMP and a few other brokerages with CQG feeds allow "grandfathering" connections with NT7 , but only if you got the lifetime license early before a certain date. One broker told me I had to have the NT7 lifetime before July, 2014 which I did, so I could get setup with NT7 with their CGQ partner connection.

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I've been using tradovate, not for long though. No issues so far, i believe charting is their weakest part, missing some features.. But they are improving the platform regularly, worth to check in my opinion.

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I have previously used Tradestation without any issues.

I now use Rithmic > Multicharts(for charting). I use the R Trader DOM for execution rather than chart trading. Fairly straightforward to set up & use.

Trading is a delicate matter, factors that affect the outcome of the mass. One of them is a broker, and this is serious. There is a sure way - 30 days. 30 days, trade with one, then 30 days, without changing the TS, with the other and see the result. According to the results, you can migrate to the main account for the better. I have a current extreme at Fiatotrade , holding on for the 7th month.

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Platform: Ninja Trader, Motivewave
Broker: NinjaTrader, Oanda, TD Ameritrade
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Thank you all for the inputs. I noticed NT has been recommended quite a bit. Since I posted the thread I gave NT another try with the newest version of NT 8 and I still just despise the charting. For instance: I Googled it and it does not seem possible to change how far you can zoom out so you are stuck with an incredibly small view so drawing/spotting price action stuff is aggravating.

Plus they've been spamming me with phonecalls and emails since I signed up which REALLY put a bad taste it my mouth. Since making the OP I have tried a bunch of demos and pretty much settled on multicharts.net. It too seems to limit how far you can zoom out but I love the rest of the program. The whole program is pretty intuitive and I've already setup my order templates which was pretty easy. For the time being I'm simply going to use it for order execution like @mattz suggested and leave the charting for ToS.

I appreciate all of the help everybody.

I agree with you on Ninjatrader. I figured out how to use it and used it for a long time. However, it always felt clunky and slow. Motivewave feels smoother and more intuitive to me. I really like it. You can get the chart version for $24/month and the trade version for $29/month.

It connects to most of the most of the major brokers and data feeds

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Hey OP, can you explain more about what you did not like about TV+amp?

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