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https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/13/1point2-trillion-in-stock-market-value-lost-so-far-from-trade-war-sell-off-with-more-expected.html

Is this trade war worth it?

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The article fails to mention the bull run since he started office. Can we ever have a market pull back, without CNBC blaming trump? LOL.

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The article fails to mention the bull run since he started office. Can we ever have a market pull back, without CNBC blaming trump? LOL.

From the screenshot below, I only see a continuation of the bull run that started in Obama era which looks like it is coming to a screeching halt. I am not here to debate Trump vs Obama. I am only looking to find opportunities to make money.



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From the screen shot below, I only see a continuation of the bull run that started in Obama era which looks like it is coming to a screeching halt. I am not here to debate Trump vs Obama. I am only looking to find opportunities to make money.


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The feds zero interest rate during the last administration greatly exaggerated the “boom” and that “boom” would be a “bust” if it were not for that.

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What would you have done instead of the 0 interest rate when SPX was at 666?.
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The feds zero interest rate during the last administration greatly exaggerated the “boom” and that “boom” would be a “bust” if it were not for that.

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Sometimes underlying concepts are hard to understand for some people.

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Educate us...
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Sometimes underlying concepts are hard to understand for some people.

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From the screenshot below, I only see a continuation of the bull run that started in Obama era which looks like it is coming to a screeching halt. I am not here to debate Trump vs Obama. I am only looking to find opportunities to make money.



I just can’t let this one go. When you say you don’t want to start a discussion between Obama vs Trump, but in the same sentence you compare the two within a graph?
First off… I do not let the news media (especially organizations like CNBC) influence my trading. These groups have continued to show bias in almost everything they print or say.
Second…Under Trump the market has come to a screeching halt? Yes, it’s true the markets in the most part have continued a bull run, but under Obama the SP 500 increased at a rate of .506 points per day and under Trump it has increased at a rate of .68 points a day. This is a considerable increase. This does not consider other Markets that have even higher increases. You did fail to mention that you are comparing 8 years to 2. 5 years. Also, if you listen to the political pundits, you may think that Volatility has increased under Trump. If you do, Stop and look at VIX chart form 2008 forward and you will find the SMA moving down at a slow rate.



Third..I think you assumed I do not like Obama? No feeling one way or another. I believe he was a pretty stagnant Podus as far as the Markets are concerned.
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The question was, Is the trade war worth it? Is losing Trillions in value for 200-300 Billion in tariffs worth it? CNBC info was just to show the fact of what value was lost since May 3rd. Showing the chart for 3 decades is to contridict your statement about bull run that was a continuation from previous administration. Isnt VIX moving down from 2008 is an indication of a bull market from previous administration? Then why fight it?

Showing your Ninja account performance is for what? What does it have to do with the topic of this thread? You want to measure who's is bigger? want to see mine? Please...

So is the trade war worth it?


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I just can’t let this one go. When you say you don’t want to start a discussion between Obama vs Trump, but in the same sentence you compare the two within a graph?
First off… I do not let the news media (especially organizations like CNBC) influence my trading. These groups have continued to show bias in almost everything they print or say.
Second…Under Trump the market has come to a screeching halt? Yes, it’s true the markets in the most part have continued a bull run, but under Obama the SP 500 increased at a rate of .506 points per day and under Trump it has increased at a rate of .68 points a day. This is a considerable increase. This does not consider other Markets that have even higher increases. You did fail to mention that you are comparing 8 years to 2. 5 years. Also, if you listen to the political pundits, you may think that Volatility has increased under Trump. If you do, Stop and look at VIX chart form 2008 forward and you will find the SMA moving down at a slow rate.



Third..I think you assumed I do not like Obama? No feeling one way or another. I believe he was a pretty stagnant Podus as far as the Markets are concerned.
Trading opportunities under Trump? Here is a auto strategy just looking at the Emini Nasdaq 03-19 Contract (1 Contract).



The 06-19 Contract is looking good also!


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The question was, Is the trade war worth it? Is losing Trillions in value for 200-300 Billion in tariffs worth it? CNBC info was just to show the fact of what value was lost since May 3rd. Showing the chart for 3 decades is to contridict your statement about bull run that was a continuation from previous administration. Isnt VIX moving down from 2008 is an indication of a bull market from previous administration? Then why fight it?

Showing your Ninja account performance is for what? What does it have to do with the topic of this thread? You want to measure who's is bigger? want to see mine? Please...

So is the trade war worth it?

What did I miss hear?? You said that under Trump the Market has come to a Screeching Halt. I already showed you this is simply not true. Continuation of a bull trend, I already agreed to that, but much stronger over the last 2.5 years under Trump.
The VIX, (AKA: Market Temp, Fear Index, Options pricing index) simply shows confidence. So... Like under Obama, Investors are showing confidence under Trump. Now if you were to listen to our pal's in the media, investors are scared to death. LOL.
Showing my Ninjatrader account performance? I was simple showing you the trade opportunities you seemed concerned about. But PLEASE, Show yours!! LOL.

Is the Trade war worth it? Short term, maybe not. Long term I believe so.

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Dude....I am not fearing the volatility. In fact i love it. I make more in these times than not. But that is off topic. Losing asset value is what we are talking here not what you or I can make. I am more worried about the masses losing their asses. For entertainment purpose only, i will show you this...

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What did I miss hear?? You said that under Trump the Market has come to a Screeching Halt. I already showed you this is simply not true. Continuation of a bull trend, I already agreed to that, but much stronger over the last 2.5 years under Trump.
The VIX, (AKA: Market Temp, Fear Index, Options pricing index) simply shows confidence. So... Like under Obama, Investors are showing confidence under Trump. Now if you were to listen to our pal's in the media, investors are scared to death. LOL.
Showing my Ninjatrader account performance? I was simple showing you the trade opportunities you seemed concerned about. But PLEASE, Show yours!! LOL.

Is the Trade war worth it? Short term, maybe not. Long term I believe so.


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Well, I really doubt that trade-war will benefit global economy and in turn US stocks in a long run. Anyway we had a nice prolonged bull market so letting a bit of steam out won't hurt those of us who still remember how to calculate stock values.

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Exactly. It is easy to say go find your source from another country or make it yourself to avoid tariffs. But, most of the small businesses rely on 1 or 2 sources for thier products. They dont have the time, money or ability to change that. Most of them will die and that will have a ripple effect on others causing major economic issues. I think it will hurt more in the long term than short.


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Well, I really doubt that trade-war will benefit global economy and in turn US stocks in a long run. Anyway we had a nice prolonged bull market so letting a bit of steam out won't hurt those of us who still remember how to calculate stock values.


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https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/walmart-warns-trump-tariffs-may-force-higher-prices-report

Walmart warns Trump tariffs may force higher prices - report

Posting Fox news to be politically correct

So, what did the bottom 50% of America do to deserve this?

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https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/walmart-warns-trump-tariffs-may-force-higher-prices-report

Walmart warns Trump tariffs may force higher prices - report

Posting Fox news to be politically correct

So, what did the bottom 50% of America do to deserve this?

I love the end of the article. "Consumer items that are effected, GAS GRILLS, BICYCLES, AND CHRISTMAS LIGHTS" sound like these tariffs may break the common man. Lol. Fair is fair, these counties have been stealing american jobs for decades. Hats off to Trump for this one. MAGA hat that is. Lol.

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Exactly. It is Fox news. We have to discount what is said for sure.

Here is the press release from MT Newswires -

04:20 PM EDT, 05/16/2019 (MT Newswires) -- Walmart (WMT) said prices for shoppers are bound to rise due to the higher tariffs imposed on Chinese goods, just as the company reported better-than-expected earnings and comparable-store sales for its fiscal Q1.
In an interview with Reuters, Walmart Chief Financial Officer Brett Biggs said the company will aim to alleviate the pain, partly by attempting to alternatively securing products from various countries, as well as working with suppliers' "costs structures to manage higher tariffs."
Another retail giant, Macy's (M), also pointed out this out Wednesday, when the department store chain's Chief Executive Jeff Gennette said tariffs on Chinese imports are hitting its furniture business and warned investors that additional levies would leave its clothing and accessory categories vulnerable, according to Reuters. Gennette made the statement after Macy's reported Q1 earnings that was well ahead of Street view.
Meanwhile, Walmart's vendors have started to raise prices, including Del Monte Foods, a supplier of fresh and packaged goods, such as mandarin oranges imported from China, Reuters said. Prices are expected to increase again as new tariffs are imposed.
"It's not just tariffs. Transportation costs are up, labor costs are up. It's an inflationary environment," Del Monte CEO Greg Longstreet told Reuters on the sidelines of a conference.
"A lot of that's going to have to be passed on. The consumer is going to have to pay more for a lot of critical goods."
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I love the end of the article. "Consumer items that are effected, GAS GRILLS, BICYCLES, AND CHRISTMAS LIGHTS" sound like these tariffs may break the common man. Lol. Fair is fair, these counties have been stealing american jobs for decades. Hats off to Trump for this one. MAGA hat that is. Lol.

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Barron's front page today -

https://www.barrons.com/articles/trade-war-stock-market-outlook-51558120641?mod=hp_HERO
The Trade War Will Make Stocks Scary. 5 Reasons Not to Panic.

But, it does not make me feel good for the US economy.

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Apple's EPS at risk of 29% hit if its products are banned in China, Goldman says

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/apples-eps-at-risk-of-29-hit-if-its-products-are-banned-in-china-goldman-says-2019-05-22


Must be fake news!

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Here comes the layoffs. This is Fox Business news. Must be legit.

Ford layoffs hit 7,000 jobs worldwide, hundreds in US

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/ford-layoffs-7000-jobs-worldwide-job-cuts

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Where are we headed from here?


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10Yr Yield at 2017 levels, does the bond market know something that the stock market doesn't, yet?


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Just a release in the quantitative easing prior to the trump tax cuts. Bonds are naturally coming down as the economy was stimulated with those cuts and investors are more confident in the short to mid term economy. Very good sign the economy is strengthening because of the cuts and investors are more likely to spend to grow their business.

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Here’s the damage done to the stock market since Trump’s May 5 trade tweet

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-the-damage-done-to-the-stock-market-since-trumps-may-5-trade-tweet-2019-05-29?mod=mw_theo_homepage&mod=mw_theo_homepage&mod=mw_theo_homepage&mod=mw_theo_homepage


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Costco says trade war with China will ultimately lead to higher prices

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/05/30/costco-says-trade-war-china-ultimately-lead-higher-prices/1292473001/

Walmart: Chinese Tariffs Will Increase Prices for Consumers | Time

https://time.com/5590364/walmart-china-tariffs-increased-prices/

More US Companies Warn Tariffs will Lead to Higher Prices

https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/more-us-companies-warn-tariffs-will-lead-to-higher-prices/4591638.html

New Trump tariffs would affect nearly 70% of consumer goods: Citi

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/new-trump-tariffs-would-affect-nearly-70-of-consumer-goods-165446628.html

The Truth About Tariffs

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/truth-about-tariffs

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Simple economics made simpler

What is the main cause of inflation?
There are two main causes of inflation: Demand-pull and Cost-push. Both are responsible for a general rise in prices in an economy. ... Cost-push occurs when supply cost force prices higher. You may find some sources that cite a third cause of inflation, expansion of the money supply.

Does high inflation cause unemployment?
If inflation increases, Monetary authorities will tend to increase interest rates to reduce inflation. A sharp increase in interest rates can cause economic growth to fall, leading to recession and unemployment. ... Higher interest rates led to a rapid fall in consumer spending and investment.

How does cost push inflation affect unemployment?
A fall or left shift in Aggregate Supply is the cause of Cost-Push Inflation. ... An interaction of cost-push inflation and demand-pull inflation results in the Wage Price Spiral. The wage-price spiral suggests that rising wages increase disposable income, thus raising the demand for goods and causing prices to rise.

What will happen if unemployment increases?
A recession has a domino effect, where increased unemployment leads to less growth and a drop in consumer spending, affecting businesses, which lay off workers due to losses. A recession occurs when there are two or more consecutive quarters of negative gross domestic product (GDP) growth.

What is the Relationship Between Inflation and Interest Rates? https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/12/inflation-interest-rate-relationship.asp

U.S. Economy at a Glance - https://www.bea.gov/news/glance

United States GDP Growth Rate - https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-growth

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Feuding Auto Industry Unites to Oppose Trump’s Import Tariffs

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-28/bickersome-auto-industry-uniting-to-oppose-trump-import-tariffs

Here are the states where Trump’s Mexico tariffs would hit the hardest

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/31/trump-mexico-tariffs-and-trade-war-would-hit-texas-and-michigan.html

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Morgan Stanley Sees Recession Within a Year If Trade War Gets Any Worse
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-02/morgan-stanley-sees-recession-within-a-year-if-trade-war-builds

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Simple economics made simpler

What is the main cause of inflation?
There are two main causes of inflation: Demand-pull and Cost-push. Both are responsible for a general rise in prices in an economy. ... Cost-push occurs when supply cost force prices higher. You may find some sources that cite a third cause of inflation, expansion of the money supply.

Does high inflation cause unemployment?
If inflation increases, Monetary authorities will tend to increase interest rates to reduce inflation. A sharp increase in interest rates can cause economic growth to fall, leading to recession and unemployment. ... Higher interest rates led to a rapid fall in consumer spending and investment.

How does cost push inflation affect unemployment?
A fall or left shift in Aggregate Supply is the cause of Cost-Push Inflation. ... An interaction of cost-push inflation and demand-pull inflation results in the Wage Price Spiral. The wage-price spiral suggests that rising wages increase disposable income, thus raising the demand for goods and causing prices to rise.

What will happen if unemployment increases?
A recession has a domino effect, where increased unemployment leads to less growth and a drop in consumer spending, affecting businesses, which lay off workers due to losses. A recession occurs when there are two or more consecutive quarters of negative gross domestic product (GDP) growth.

What is the Relationship Between Inflation and Interest Rates? https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/12/inflation-interest-rate-relationship.asp

U.S. Economy at a Glance - https://www.bea.gov/news/glance

United States GDP Growth Rate - https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-growth

Any article on the main causes of inflation that makes no mention of the fractional reserve system is not exactly providing a full, honest and accurate picture is it

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I don't think Trump thought long and hard about the ramifications of the tariffs...

For one, there are some industries that the US just doesn't have the skill and manufacturing infrastructure to adequately compete with Chinese produced goods (Child car seats is one example). US companies have no other alternative but to produce certain goods in China in order to...dare I say! REMAIN IN BUSINESS...not even compete.

Average manufacturing job pays 12,400 US in China as opposed to 52,000+ in the US.

I am a fundamental trader and analyze import/export country data as well as retail sales for the majority of countries. The numbers are DOWN across the board month over month among almost all European economies except Sweden.

All near term hope depends on positive outcome (removal of most tariffs) at the G20 summit. Otherwise continue selling call options on securities you hold...hopefully someone will buy them.

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From the screenshot below, I only see a continuation of the bull run that started in Obama era which looks like it is coming to a screeching halt. I am not here to debate Trump vs Obama. I am only looking to find opportunities to make money.



Hey @Skidboot. Ya still think its a screeching halt? Sorry, Just had to. Can't contain myself! LOL.

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Certainly big money prefers a capitalist-friendly president, but beyond that, it doesn't matter much. Markets want certainty. And to say that Bernanke, Yellen, and Powell (and the respective boards) have been far more influential in equity valuations than Clinton, Bush, Obama, or Trump, would be a massive understatement. The FOMC, BoJ, ECB, and all central banks wield so much more influence than any sitting leader of a country.

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Certainly big money prefers a capitalist-friendly president, but beyond that, it doesn't matter much. Markets want certainty. And to say that Bernanke, Yellen, and Powell (and the respective boards) have been far more influential in equity valuations than Clinton, Bush, Obama, or Trump, would be a massive understatement. The FOMC, BoJ, ECB, and all central banks wield so much more influence than any sitting leader of a country.

Yes uncertainty brings volatility. And of course volatility allows for bigger opportunities. My point was...The liberals and their Trump Derangement Syndrome have clouded their judgement. You can not let personal issues undermine your trading. If you would have only listened to the media for the last 3 years, you would be broke and wondering what the hell happened?

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Hey @Skidboot. Ya still think its a screeching halt? Sorry, Just had to. Can't contain myself! LOL.

Hey @WoodyFox, did you laugh a little too soon? so much gas! its probably all Obama's fault. ROFLMAO


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Hey @WoodyFox, did you laugh a little too soon? so much gas! its probably all Obama's fault. ROFLMAO


Its taking a world pandemic to bring it down! Even with that, Trumps still has more gains than Obama did in his first how many years (maybe 6?). Anyways, you obviously don't get it. I call truce. LOL

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Its taking a world pandemic to bring it down! Even with that, Trumps still has more gains than Obama did in his first how many years (maybe 6?). Anyways, you obviously don't get it. I call truce. LOL

Hey @WoodyFox,

I heard from an orange source that it was all a democrat hoax. Markets were dropping because of democratic debates. Are the american public being gaslighted?

Covid-19 not called a pandemic yet. Check your fake news sources.

The last pandemic per WHO was H1N1 Swine flu which was from April 2009 to August of 2010. Here is what the markets did then. Why didnt the markets drop then?


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Its taking a world pandemic to bring it down! Even with that, Trumps still has more gains than Obama did in his first how many years (maybe 6?). Anyways, you obviously don't get it. I call truce. LOL

Hey @WoodyFox, you dont have to gaslight us here. We can all see it. Look at Obama vs Trump market gains if you dont know already-



170% vs 29%


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Hey @WoodyFox, you dont have to gaslight us here. We can all see it. Look at Obama vs Trump market gains if you dont know already-



170% vs 29%


Gaslight who?

While Obama was in office for 8 years, Nasdaq went up roughly 3750 points. Even with the recent fall in the markets, Nasdaq has went up 3500 points in 3.5 years under Trump.

Market Cap has increased at twice the speed of Obama's and is already at Obama's full 8 year gain.

Here is some fake news from CNBC... One of your fav's.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/26/trumps-stock-market-rally-is-far-outpacing-past-us-presidents.html

Granted it was a little before the Pandemic... I'm sorry, I mean the public hysteria of a virus that seems to be almost, maybe, just a little like a pandemic?


@Skidboot, don't stress to much over this Trump stuff.. It will all be over with in about 5 years. LOL.

By the way, What do you call a Liberal with an IQ of 130?

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I know it is hard for you to get it. NDX moving from under 1200 to over 5100 isnt same as moving from 5000 to 8500. You might as well say it did better in the last 3 years than since its inception. Understand your IQ well now! Do well!

Here is some math for you -
1200 to 5100 = increase of 325%
5100 to 8500 = increase of 66%

since it is not easy to understand, 325 is approximately 5 times higher than 66.


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Gaslight who?

While Obama was in office for 8 years, Nasdaq went up roughly 3750 points. Even with the recent fall in the markets, Nasdaq has went up 3500 points in 3.5 years under Trump.

Market Cap has increased at twice the speed of Obama's and is already at Obama's full 8 year gain.

Here is some fake news from CNBC... One of your fav's.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/26/trumps-stock-market-rally-is-far-outpacing-past-us-presidents.html

Granted it was a little before the Pandemic... I'm sorry, I mean the public hysteria of a virus that seems to be almost, maybe, just a little like a pandemic?


@Skidboot, don't stress to much over this Trump stuff.. It will all be over with in about 5 years. LOL.

By the way, What do you call a Liberal with an IQ of 130?

A foursome


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I know it is hard for you to get it.


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