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Today, I lost my savings and my career

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 Grantx 
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Probably why Facebook is a little more popular than this site.

We'd all love to find the mouse click that makes us millionaires. Not so many want to know the details about all the work they have to put in, both on the math/science side AND the deep navel gazing.



If you read Market Wizards, you'll see that they are all different in their temperament and approach. You and your friend found ways that you are comfortable & can live with, which is the real key.



There are indeed many. Some I think are legit, some maybe not. The reason I chose FXCM [UK] is that they have a native interface for Ninja trader and that is the platform I'm interested in using long term.

Truth be told, my first choice would be LMAX, because they are the only ones providing firm liquidity which deals with "last look" [google it] but their platform choices are limited unless you want to pay hefty API fees.

Even though everyone says "not me!", the first several months of trading [at least!] are going to be a donation to the market. May as well keep the loss as small as possible, until you know yourself and can track yourself better.

Lastly, for those in areas where CFDs are prohibited, which I think is wrong BTW, some brokers will accept accounts from offshore corporations owned by residents of prohibited areas.

YMMV, but with the cost of setting up an offshore corporation doable for under 2K, IMO traders who are new but serious should investigate.

This is exactly why I think that futures trading is the problem for new traders and not forex. Certain brokers yes but not the forex market itself. This little rant applies to the small retail trader and not institutions.

Forex leverage is now 30:1 for majors. The massive advantage is the size of each trade can be adjusted to minimum levels for traders wanting to trade live but also needing to reduce exposure. This needs to be emphasised because everyone just bleats on about centralised exchanges but if you think about it, these exchanges exist primarily to make money. Facilitating trade is a secondary concern to them. Exchanges SELL data. They have pulled a Tyler Durden and sell the market its own fat.

You want to trade oil? $10 a tick. Scale your trades and you're in deep trouble with a small account. The only way to reduce exposure is to get onto the mini but then liquidity issues and slippage so whats the point? There is none of this in forex. I'm with Lmax and liquidity is never a problem. Withdrawing funds is never a problem. I never have to roll an instrument over, or worry about expiration and volume levels, or close positions at EOD, or pay for data.

There are advantages with futures but those do not apply to up and coming traders until they have achieved certain personal milestones first.

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This is exactly why I think that futures trading is the problem for new traders and not forex. Certain brokers yes but not the forex market itself. This little rant applies to the small retail trader and not institutions.

Forex leverage is now 30:1 for majors. The massive advantage is the size of each trade can be adjusted to minimum levels for traders wanting to trade live but also needing to reduce exposure. This needs to be emphasised because everyone just bleats on about centralised exchanges but if you think about it, these exchanges exist primarily to make money. Facilitating trade is a secondary concern to them. Exchanges SELL data. They have pulled a Tyler Durden and sell the market its own fat.

You want to trade oil? $10 a tick. Scale your trades and you're in deep trouble with a small account. The only way to reduce exposure is to get onto the mini but then liquidity issues and slippage so whats the point? There is none of this in forex. I'm with Lmax and liquidity is never a problem. Withdrawing funds is never a problem. I never have to roll an instrument over, or worry about expiration and volume levels, or close positions at EOD, or pay for data.

There are advantages with futures but those do not apply to up and coming traders until they have achieved certain personal milestones first.

Agreed, but I think you might be missing my point about the beauty of CFDs.

I can trade Oil and NQ at ten CENTS a point. For NQ, that's 2.5 cents per tick. And I'm doing it on Ninja.

Now granted there is a wider spread, (real wide in the case of oil) and they can play "last look" games in fast markets, but for reasonable day trades that last on the order of 10 to 30 minutes or more, it is not really an issue.

Also, I now have my eye on copper. I has some lively moves but you need a Brinks truck to trade it on CME. Currently it is rangebound, but if that sucker starts trending...

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If you read Market Wizards, you'll see that they are all different in their temperament and approach. You and your friend found ways that you are comfortable & can live with, which is the real key.

One of the most interesting things about the Market Wizards to me in 2019 is 25% of AUM for Tudor Investments is in early and late stage venture capital now.

That is a wonderful lesson in how to roll with the punches, not get stuck in old ways and look out for new hunting grounds.

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Okay, I am going to share this in response to your challenge, which I do admire by the way, as I do think that you are generally correct that basically all of the gurus are filling their pockets with the hopium energy from their clients. I have ran across a teacher, not a guru. Sure, he has a trading course if someone wants to purchase it and trade live with him. But, he also basically gives his method away, and I have not found any guile or shenanigans.

He will plainly state that very few will ever have the discipline that it takes to actually succeed . . I am NOT a paying client by the way. But I have learned a LOT about how markets work over the last several months just from watching his YouTube channel. He puts out a 45 min - hour long vid 4 days a week, not gloating over winners, but showing his trading plan for the next day for CL, ES, NQ, Gold and Euro futures , and why, including how to trade it whichever direction that it decides to go. And is an excellent teacher regarding ranges/consolidation, which is where most struggle. A person could spend months on his channel binge-ing.

That is all. If anyone is familiar with Joseph, and feels that they have been hornswaggled in ANY way by him, or that truly believes that he is Sim Trading, I would like to hear about it.

[I just discovered that I am not allowed to post links, so search for "Joseph James" the latest video that I watched was titled "Combine Multiple Trading Strategies" ]

https://www.tradingschools.org/reviews/school-of-trade-and-sideways-markets/ hmm looks like a crook to me

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hmm looks like a crook to me

Gee, thanks for the constructive criticism! If you are serious, please at least say why.

Or, is it just a gut feeling?

Or, is it that you can see that he is giving away info that might help the average trader go from shark bait to eventually shark, and that is a no-no in this business?

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case 1. It might be someone fishing suckers for giving him money. I won't believe it till I see it.
case 2. Please refer to twitter.com/realbrianwatt

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This is exactly why I think that futures trading is the problem for new traders and not forex. Certain brokers yes but not the forex market itself. This little rant applies to the small retail trader and not institutions.

Forex leverage is now 30:1 for majors. The massive advantage is the size of each trade can be adjusted to minimum levels for traders wanting to trade live but also needing to reduce exposure. This needs to be emphasised because everyone just bleats on about centralised exchanges but if you think about it, these exchanges exist primarily to make money. Facilitating trade is a secondary concern to them. Exchanges SELL data. They have pulled a Tyler Durden and sell the market its own fat.

You want to trade oil? $10 a tick. Scale your trades and you're in deep trouble with a small account. The only way to reduce exposure is to get onto the mini but then liquidity issues and slippage so whats the point? There is none of this in forex. I'm with Lmax and liquidity is never a problem. Withdrawing funds is never a problem. I never have to roll an instrument over, or worry about expiration and volume levels, or close positions at EOD, or pay for data.

There are advantages with futures but those do not apply to up and coming traders until they have achieved certain personal milestones first.

I agree with this.Most aspiring traders never even have a chance to understand s/r ,order flow,etc.I switched to forex for the reasons you stated.One "tilt" day on cl could bankrupt some.Not to mention the mechanics of trading.How many times have we pressed buy/sell incorrectly,adding to a bad trade.

I think the best thing about forex, is you can dial down the risk to your comfort level,and just focus on what the chart is trying to tell you,without worrying so much about the $

Once you start to get consistent, just slowly increase the size

Just my 2 cents

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I've personally suffered a significant loss and it took me 18 months before I could trade a live account successfully again without second guessing myself or my strategy. Basically, after I lost my account, I allowed fear to run my demo' account and tried other peoples strategies and advice - it didn't work - no system is 100% accurate. I went back to what worked for me. I worked on it, I analyzed why and where I went wrong and once my demo' account was successful I managed to get started all over again - but this time older and wiser.

If this person is genuinely a successful trader, nothing and no one can take that skill away from them. It's in your blood. In the meantime, my advice to this person would be - go get a regular job, and allow time to heal. Next time they will also have a rainy day account of money waiting for them. Don't give up! All the best traders have got beat-up, dusted themselves down, and got up. So can they!


I can relate to this as well.

I blew up my account in mid to late 2007, can't remember exact date. I was devastated and as captainquenta said, ya gotta tell your wife what you've done. YIKES!! Then go get a real job. I didn't look at a chart for 2 1/2 yrs. Told myself I wasn't ever gonna trade again. Sometime after 2009 I came back, started demo trading. Worked on improving my strategy. Here's the truth... even in demo, my fear was uncontrollable and it was just play money!! It took time for me to work through this process but I'm glad I did. This time spent in sim trading I became consistent profitable, then went live. So when friends and family say " Oh, so your basically gambling" they have no idea what it takes to become profitable. What ya have to go through.

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So when friends and family say " Oh, so your basically gambling" they have no idea what it takes to become profitable. What ya have to go through.

That quote "Oh, so your... gambling" drives me nuts! It makes it sound that we are either just 'lucky' and consequentially our luck is gonna run out, or that we are playing the odds. I and other successful traders have spent a considerable period of time honing our edge, that edge is different from one trader to another, but it is what gives us our success. The market is its own greatest teacher out there and it slaps me across the face and rides out the door with a small chunk of my account when I don't follow my system to the letter. Trading is more than gambling, fluttering your cash away on a hunch, a stable-hands tip of a sure-fire 'winner' - it comes from learning the market and most importantly knowing yourself better and better. As a consequence of trading, I've improved in other areas of my life - knowing when to admit I was wrong, holding myself accountable, knowing my weaknesses and doing everything in my power to flee from them or when I feel strong enough to stand firm against them and tell them to shove it.

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Found this on Reddit last night soon after the vote. Not sure if its legit but still sounds traumatic.

Grantx.

I would like to contact this person. Can you please provide me with the link you found on Reddit?

Thank you

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