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Debating on Elite Membership; Need Indicators Coded in C++

I'm debating about purchasing an Elite membership. I trade mainly Nasdaq 100 eminis(NQ) and Long Treasury Bond Futures (ZB). My trading/system development software is Neuroshell and I notice all of the indicators are coded for other software. If I could get a couple coded in C++, particularly an Unscented Kalman Filter (would need to talk about details of the filter setup), I would have no problem signing up and making the code available to all. Any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks!

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I'm not sure what an Elite membership costs these days. Mine was $50 bucks back in the day. While I hate expenses I want you to consider how it might come across to question the value of the paid membership in the context of a specific coding need on what seems to be a more polished (as opposed to general) item.

Especially given that consistent productive futures traders generally poop $100 bills.

I do not think C++ guys are going to jump to do a project for someone reluctant to "join" the site. But, I am certain that 1) they are around on the forums and 2) you will find many times the benefit of your membership fee in the first week of real dialogue.

I can't code anything, in fact I'm lucky I have the tech savvy to log in...so I'm with on that need. I have found almost everything I need is available here. In the few times it was/is not I have hired guys for per project fees that are always less that what I'd gladly pay to buy a similar product.

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Dan, thanks for your post and feedback. I should have also given more of my background and experience, as well as other issues I am interested in, but I did not want to make the first post too long. I have a background as an institutional fixed income portfolio/mutual fund manager/muni bond trader for 15+ years and have a Masters in Financial Engineering. I also spent a couple of years at the CBOT dabbling in options trading before attempting to develop a systematic futures trading program.

I have came up with a discretionary system that I can paper trade for profits everyday, but when it comes to my real account, I vastly underperform. I need to get over the mental block there and would be looking for help to overcome it. While I have tried to automate this system and have not been able to, there are other areas I would like to explore such as deep neural networks that I feel have real possibilities of profitable automation and would be willing to collaborate with others in this area, in addition to sharing any of my other experience and knowledge with those on the board.

It would be nice to be able to take a sneak peak at the Elite board like you can do with the books at Amazon; look at the Table of Contents and some sample pages from throughout to determine if the book is at the level or the topic you are looking for before you purchase. I have been at other boards such as the proprietary one for Neuroshell users, the quant-based Nuclear Phynance and other trading boards. Some are dead, others have gone from useful discussions to members just arguing with each other. The $100 isn't that big a deal, I'm just trying to get an idea if the board is the "right fit".

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Maybe you should "risk" the money to fknd out.
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@rszos

The $100 isn't that big a deal, I'm just trying to get an idea if the board is the "right fit".


Seriously, and without any sarcasm do you NOT think there is a possibility of obtaining at a minimum 1 piece of information that might improve or even turn your trading around ... and $100 is keeping you from it? BTW futures io is so much more than just indicators.

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My suggestion would be to wait another year and see if you still want to pay for the membership.

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Best Value EVER

I meant to post this the other day. I jumped on here because I could not find an indicator that I used years ago. Someone graciously found it for me. I have met some amazing, generous, and very smart people. Any time I ever have an idea to improve my trading I will find it coded here. I have traded with a few members of this community, I have had some of them code things for me, and more importantly helped me fix some disasters!! ... I am very grateful it exists and would not hesitate to pay 10 times this!

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It would be nice to be able to take a sneak peak at the Elite board like you can do with the books at Amazon; look at the Table of Contents and some sample pages from throughout to determine if the book is at the level or the topic you are looking for before you purchase. I have been at other boards such as the proprietary one for Neuroshell users, the quant-based Nuclear Phynance and other trading boards. Some are dead, others have gone from useful discussions to members just arguing with each other. The $100 isn't that big a deal, I'm just trying to get an idea if the board is the "right fit".

It's an understandable question.

I don't know the exact numbers, but the overwhelming majority of posts are by Elite members, and a huge percentage of these are in the Elite-only section.

So essentially, if you have found what you have seen so far to be of value, there is more of the same on the Elite side.

As far as coding help, there are coders here, but generally they code for the NinjaTrader platform, which is in C#, not C++, and, in any case, the coder is writing to a particular interface. For example, if one writes a particular indicator for NinjaTrader, basically one is going to be making use of the functionality that NT exposes. You would have to depend on a vast amount of existing functionality in order to just get a line plotted on a chart, unless you wanted to write an entire charting application from the ground up (no one does.) So basically, you would use C#, just because Ninja uses it, to tie together existing Ninja (and Windows) functions and control the logic flow, etc. You would not really be writing the indicator "in C#," but "for NinjaTrader, using C#."

The same goes for writing an indicator "in C++" -- you're going to write it in some particular language, but for some particular environment, which will be providing most of the basic tasks of accessing and charting the data, etc.

(I hope this is not too elementary for you; if this is all obvious already, I apologize.)

I honestly have no idea how to interface with Neuroshell, and the fact that I can write C++ (which is very similar to C# in some ways) would not be that much help, without that knowledge.

I would say definitely that there is nothing being published using Neuroshell, and, while there have occasionally been projects for neural networks, they have not been any sort of major focus.

There are several members who do automated systems, which can be coded in Ninja and most other major platforms, although Ninja, of course, does not use any form of neural networks.

I hope I am addressing your concerns. I don't want to overstate what is available. In general, the vast majority of the members are simply traders, at various levels of skill and experience, and you can usually get some good interaction on a trading level. While there are coders here also, this is not principally a technical programming site, and most are going to be consumers rather than producers of code.

With all that said, almost everyone who joins as Elite seems to like it (or maybe I only know the ones who didn't leave ....)

Basically, if you're trading, you probably will find something here. If nothing else, different slants on trading topics. For example, probably the most common issues that traders have is this one you mention:


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I have came up with a discretionary system that I can paper trade for profits everyday, but when it comes to my real account, I vastly underperform. I need to get over the mental block there and would be looking for help to overcome it.

It's about the most common thing you will see discussed, and there are trading journals where traders work at it, with varying success. Probably most attempt to deal with their mental/psychological issues in a discretionary rather than automated way, although not always.

I hope this is useful to you. Unfortunately, this is a case where the Table of Contents and the sample chapters just aren't given.

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I have came up with a discretionary system that I can paper trade for profits everyday, but when it comes to my real account, I vastly underperform.

its probably just the same on paper and real, but you have a high variance that you dont feel on paper.

its probably a good thing you dont automate it. your instincts are telling you something..... variance bad.


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While I have tried to automate this system and have not been able to

why cant you automate it? can you not describe it? is it magical?

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I need to get over the mental block there and would be looking for help to overcome it.

sorry this is not something someone with 15 years says. a 15 year mental block?


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, there are other areas I would like to explore such as deep neural networks that I feel have real possibilities of profitable automation and would be willing to collaborate with others in this area, in addition to sharing any of my other experience and knowledge with those on the board.

noone is going to share their secret sauce with you. why are you looking at other possibilities when you have a sure fire method by the sounds of it.


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It would be nice to be able to take a sneak peak at the Elite board like you can do with the books at Amazon; look at the Table of Contents and some sample pages from throughout to determine if the book is at the level or the topic you are looking for before you purchase. I have been at other boards such as the proprietary one for Neuroshell users, the quant-based Nuclear Phynance and other trading boards. Some are dead, others have gone from useful discussions to members just arguing with each other. The $100 isn't that big a deal, I'm just trying to get an idea if the board is the "right fit".

there is no special secret on the elite board. they are all nice helpful people with interesting journals. i bought it for the tick data originally.

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