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Yes, but only for the European Products: FGBL, FESX, FDAX, FDXM

I never watchted the Asian Products like Kospi

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Gentlemen,

Thank you for your replies so far!

I understand that FDAX has its RTH trading hours from 07:50am to 10:00pm CET, but is it really during all this RTH that the institutional buyers are buying with the highest volume, or should I look at a different time intervall for a more real RTH trading range?

The volumes of the DAX* during cash hours are mostly strong during opening until 13:30 CET. When US opens at 14:30 CET
some shaky moments with higher volumes are possible but not sure and not often: see known News from the calendar.
In fact - the best market volumes are at Initial Balance (30min) from 9:00 to 9:30 and then maybe a change of
direction around 10:30.
Just some points out of experience.

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The volumes of the DAX* during cash hours are mostly strong during opening until 13:30 CET. When US opens at 14:30 CET
some shaky moments with higher volumes are possible but not sure and not often: see known News from the calendar.
In fact - the best market volumes are at Initial Balance (30min) from 9:00 to 9:30 and then maybe a change of
direction around 10:30.
Just some points out of experience.

GFIs1

* means of course the Dax Future(s) as well

Thank you for your reply!
Would the best cash market conditions apply for all Eurex Futures?
FGBL, FESX, FMK2, FDAX, FDXM, FXXP?
How would you rank these in terms of Institutional favourite instruments?

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Of course only for the European products.

Institutions trade most the German Bund (as I already wrote)

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Thank you for your reply!
Would the best cash market conditions apply for all Eurex Futures?
FGBL, FESX, FMK2, FDAX, FDXM, FXXP?
How would you rank these in terms of Institutional favourite instruments?

Hi warcious

I am only trading the Dax future (normally) - so I can not give you a list of importance of instruments.
But more important: I am a market participant with a buy or a sell order. There are many different
traders - private to market makers, hedgers, institutional, banks etc.
I do NOT know who is the buyer of my selling position and vice versa.
Therefore no indications possible.

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The volumes of the DAX* during cash hours are mostly strong during opening until 13:30 CET. When US opens at 14:30 CET
some shaky moments with higher volumes are possible but not sure and not often: see known News from the calendar.
In fact - the best market volumes are at Initial Balance (30min) from 9:00 to 9:30 and then maybe a change of
direction around 10:30.
Just some points out of experience.

GFIs1

* means of course the Dax Future(s) as well

Thank you GFs1 for this post.
Is the volume for FDXM, FBTP, FGBL, FESX, FMK2 and FSTX similar to DAX during cash hours, and strong when you mentioned 09.00-09.30am until 13.30 CET ?

I will be trading from Australia, so 9.00am CET is 5pm my local time.

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If you want to compare the volume with the FDAX:

the mini-FDAX = 1/4 or less the FDAX volume
FGBL and FESX: at least 10 times the FDAX volume

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If you want to compare the volume with the FDAX:

the mini-FDAX = 1/4 or less the FDAX volume
FGBL and FESX: at least 10 times the FDAX volume

Gets more interesting when you factor in the rough notional cash values as well though..

FDAX 25/1 @ 12.5k = 312.5k
FDXM 5/1 @ 12.5k = 62.5k
FESX 10/1 @ 3.5k = 35k
FGBL 1000/1 @ 162 = 162k

So then adding in your volume relationships, FDXM is only 1/20 of FDAX and FESX which are both roughly the same, and FGBL is the real monster elephant in the room.

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Thank you GFs1 for this post.
Is the volume for FDXM, FBTP, FGBL, FESX, FMK2 and FSTX similar to DAX during cash hours, and strong when you mentioned 09.00-09.30am until 13.30 CET ?

I will be trading from Australia, so 9.00am CET is 5pm my local time.

Hi @warcious
Yes - 9:00 to 13:30 - or when US numbers are in the game: 14:30 are the best and most low risk times...
The Japanese etc. are no longer in the game and US is not open then.
But in fact - during Initial Balance (IB) 9:00 to 9:30 I am NOT in the game - as prices must be juggled
from overnight influences of different markets.
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