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Old June 21st, 2016, 03:31 PM   #81 (permalink)
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Here's someone else that thinks like Okina... on a light-hearted note


sometime humor is the best way to transmit to the mass what the real deal is about

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Old June 21st, 2016, 03:45 PM   #82 (permalink)
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Could be worse than the EU like in capitalist China haha. Video shows China bank employees being spanked - BBC News

In fairness a lot of City of London financial workers may think its actually their bonus.

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Old June 21st, 2016, 04:01 PM   #83 (permalink)
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Here's someone else that thinks like Okina... on a light-hearted note


As a Texan I relate to the song at the end thinking of those Yankee states...

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Old June 21st, 2016, 09:35 PM   #84 (permalink)
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sometime humor is the best way to transmit to the mass what the real deal is about

I agree that humour is often a good way to get a message across, but this piece is just one more addition to the humungous campaign to villify everyone who believes that the EU is anti-democratic and that a more prosperous and just society for all would flourish outside of it.

There are funny moments in it, but its far too easy to cherry pick video clips of individual comments from people in order to ridicule them - its a very cheap shot. And then to use that to tar & feather half the nation who believe that the Brexit is offers the best future is in itself a bigotted action. There is zero balance in this - where are the jokes of the rediculous comments made to further the Remain campaigners cause?

The tv and the majority of the press in the UK have been very biased. There are collosal vested interests at stake here - make no mistake - and we can all have a laugh at some old lady who makes some closetted xenophobic comments, or about whether its 350 million or 190 million a week net paid for membership to this "club", or about the fact that the documentary producers didn't investigate each law but probably just did a search for the term "pillow" in an EU database, even though the producers of this comedy sketch didn't bother themselves to mention the rediculous EU legislation that I've encountered at first hand that kills small and medium businesses such as that which forces a small entrepreneur with a fishmongers to spends thousands extra to print labels that say that his product contains fish, when all he sells is fish!, but none of that focusses attention on the real issue - no taxation without representation. Its quite simple. All EU laws are created by a commission of 28 unelected people.

Investigative journalists at great risk to themselves have uncovered many cases of corruption among these commisioners showing that they're bought and paid for by the largest corporations in the world. You won't find these cases reported in the mainstream media for the same reason that the coverage is so massively one-sided. An earlier comment about the EU being a larger parliament, therefore more democratic is just nonsense. The so-called European Parliament has no power to create laws or repeal them - again this is ant-democratic at its core.

If we step back to view the bigger picture, we see a one-way avalanche of horror stories about economic, social and political collapse & doom that would inevitably arise if the people dared to vote to leave this soviet-style control system. There are plenty of reports and analysis to the contrary, but again you won't find these reported on the MSM, only pure terror and dread. I almost expected the BBC this morning to lead with a story that a Brexit vote would lead to the dead rising in order to slowly devour the living, that the survivors would then be forced to scarifice their first born along with 2 internal organs of their choosing!

But instead - they led with the doom and gloom stories from George Soros - a man of very high moral standing, who recent CIA released papers from their predecessor - the Office of Strategic Services during WWII show, worked for the nazis identifying jews to be rounded up. So a nazi collaborator - The Hungarian government has also confirmed this. There are literally dozens of books detailing Soros' links with the CIA funding covert agit-prop operations in various countries around the world in order to overthrow democratically elected governments (see for example, the work of F.William Engdahl, or Robert Parry - the journalist who won a Pulitzer for breaking the story of the Iran-Contra conspiracy). So a great bastion of democracy then. People should think long and hard about who these vested interests are and ask themselves are they really aligned with the benefit of all the people of the UK. And what is Soros saying - that the pound may fall 15-17% - and that's apparently bad for the UK economy. All the major central banks have been desperately trying to devalue their currencies for the past 7 or 8 years to ignite their failing economies! It's truly laughable.

A lot of people in the US complain about crony capitalism with multi-nationals and foreign governments gaining excessive influence over Congress through powerful lobbying and the nefarious results this has produced around the world in everything from illegal wars, covert regime changes, genetically engineered frankenfoods, 1.5 tillion disappearing into the military industrial black hole for a new fighter jet that's incapable of carrying out the basic functionality required, and vaccines now clinally proven to cause autism and other physical and neurological disorders. The list of evil inflicted upon the peoples of the world through this political influence is almost endless. Well - its a lot easier to influence the EU commission than the US Congress and most people in Europe don't realise that.

That's really what Brexit is about.

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Old June 22nd, 2016, 04:16 AM   #85 (permalink)
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I agree that humour is often a good way to get a message across, but this piece is just one more addition to the humungous campaign to villify everyone who believes that the EU is anti-democratic and that a more prosperous and just society for all would flourish outside of it.

There are funny moments in it, but its far too easy to cherry pick video clips of individual comments from people in order to ridicule them - its a very cheap shot. And then to use that to tar & feather half the nation who believe that the Brexit is offers the best future is in itself a bigotted action. There is zero balance in this - where are the jokes of the rediculous comments made to further the Remain campaigners cause?

The tv and the majority of the press in the UK have been very biased.

Actually, both camps have been very biased. Although I agree that the press is predominantly publishing 'doom and gloom' articles about leaving the EU, there is no single point of view that is overwhelmingly worthy of evaluation. There is way too much misinformation.

The 'balance' you are looking for would be to say 'here are the pros and cons (based on indisputable facts) for the stay argument - here are the pros and cons (based on indisputable facts) for the leave argument. Now citizens: make up your mind and vote'. But nobody is doing that. It would be too easy to have citizens who vote based on informed decisions.

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Old June 22nd, 2016, 04:40 AM   #86 (permalink)
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EURO

If UK had taken over the Euro at the beginning - they could not leave easily.
With still holding the pound they can leave now...
or later!

This important poll will not be the last one.
For UK or other EU countries.

It is time to discuss all the arguments pro and con NOW.
EU needs to wake up to where their money is spent.

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Old June 22nd, 2016, 06:38 AM   #87 (permalink)
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Actually, both camps have been very biased. Although I agree that the press is predominantly publishing 'doom and gloom' articles about leaving the EU, there is no single point of view that is overwhelmingly worthy of evaluation. There is way too much misinformation.

The 'balance' you are looking for would be to say 'here are the pros and cons (based on indisputable facts) for the stay argument - here are the pros and cons (based on indisputable facts) for the leave argument. Now citizens: make up your mind and vote'. But nobody is doing that. It would be too easy to have citizens who vote based on informed decisions.

I'm not talking about the individual claims made by those on either side of the campaign being biased. There's certainly been exageration and misrepresentation of statistics and data by both sides. Unfortunately that always happens in political debate. In amongst that there are plenty of well presented pro and con arguments and its down to the individual to sift through the nonsense in order to uncover the facts. In my analysis the economic scare tactics have very little basis in fact - they're government, EU and vested corporate interest projections and the media has single mindedly and relentlessly pushed that agenda ad-nauseum.

And economic projections, lets face it, are not the most accurate beasts in the world. The track record of most (even highly regarded) economists is pretty shocking at best. There are plenty of positive projections for a future UK economy outside the EU - but you'll never hear the BBC, or any of the MSM reporting these. The UK is the EUs second largest export market - the idea that they're simply going to shut down all trade with the UK like flicking off a light switch as the dread merchants would have us believe is absolute nonsense.

In terms of bias - I'm talking about the cascading torrent of sheer horror that all of the tv channels and the vast majority of the press are bombarding people with to try to scare the crap out of them. The BBC coverage - particularly in the past few days, has been a never-ending one-sided domesday scenario, which has been vomit-worthy.

I agree that no single point of view should dominate the debate - but I believe there is one single argument that is overwhelmingly worthy of evaluation, that needs no deep investigation and analysis, that isn't subject to economists opinions or dubious Garbage-In-Garbage-Out subjective projections, or exageration and misrepresentation - as I said before - that there should be no taxation (or legislation of any kind) without representation, accountability and oversight. The EU has none of that. Absolutely zero. It's deliberately designed that way. The UK parliament has all of that. And this is the key issue but it's virtually non-existant in the debate and in the MSM.

Now - don't even get me started on the murder of the Swedish pro-euro MP Anna Lindh in their 2003 referendum to adopt the euro - one week before the vote...just as the no campaign had taken the lead and was gaining momentum...murdered by a quiet loner with a history of mental illness...

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Old June 22nd, 2016, 09:34 AM   #88 (permalink)
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Now - don't even get me started on the murder of the Swedish pro-euro MP Anna Lindh in their 2003 referendum to adopt the euro - one week before the vote...just as the no campaign had taken the lead and was gaining momentum...murdered by a quiet loner with a history of mental illness...

That sounds conspiracy-theorist-ish!

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Old June 22nd, 2016, 10:11 AM   #89 (permalink)
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Saw this and thought of Peru

Anyone unfamiliar, Paddington migrated from Peru to the UK. He is still undergoing treatment by the NHS for recidivist marmalade addiction. Personally I believe though a good hearted and well meaning bear he is two heavily influenced by his evil twin Euston bear. I lived in NW1 near Euston station I will not soon forget Euston Bear's propagandists thugs selling this vile tome, 'proceeds for the cause'.. now I see his plans coming to fruition.

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Sky U.K. Delays 'Last Week Tonight With John Oliver' Episode With Brexit Rant

During the Last Week episode, which aired in the U.S. on Sunday evening, Oliver called the Brexit campaign “bullshit” and said that pro-Brexit former London mayor Boris Johnson had the “look and economic insight of Bamm-Bamm from The Flintstones." Oliver also said: “It’s hard for me to overstate how poisonous things have become in the U.K." Adding, "my homeland is on the edge of doing something absolutely insane."

A Sky spokesman cited rules set by U.K. media regulator Ofcom. Sky "complied with the Ofcom broadcasting restrictions at times of elections and referendums that prohibit us showing this section of the program at this moment in time," he said.

The rules require balanced reporting and impartiality during elections and such. Observers said that the Last Week episode would have been fine to air if it had also made the case for the opposite argument in another part of the show.

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Old June 22nd, 2016, 04:03 PM   #90 (permalink)
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That sounds conspiracy-theorist-ish!

Conspiracy theory!? Oh no -please God no. Don't tar & feather me with that brush! 1'll never be taken seriously again! I'll have no friends , no-one will love me, and I won't be able to get a job! I'll die alone & cold & miserable in a 1 room shack in East Grimstead without a penny to my name or a word of sympathy for my soul...

Coincidence ? Maybe. I tend to think coincidences are less likely when gargantuan vested interests are at stake.

As a starting reference for those who are unfamiliar with the lengths to which governments (in this case European) and huge vested interests (in this case NATO) will go - & have repeatedly gone to achieve their aims - I recommend some quick research on Operation Gladio & Gladio-B. Allan Francovich' s documentary series is well done (ironically for the BBC-back in the day when it still pursued investigative journalism) & there are plenty of books on the subject. w-pedia would have us believe that this is a phenomena from the past. I wish that were so, but the evidence suggests otherwise..

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