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Old June 28th, 2016, 06:54 AM   #281 (permalink)
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The same is for trains coming from Milano north passing to Brig (Canton of Wallis) or passing to Chiasso
(Canton of Ticino). That scenario was installed 20 years back.


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Interesting. We traveled by train from Stresa (Milano line) to Montreux (Switzerland) in April last year. Although a couple of police walked up/down the train, we were never asked for papers/passports, and I am travelling on a New Zealand one.

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Old June 28th, 2016, 06:59 AM   #282 (permalink)
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If you're denying the influence of racist sentiment in the Brexit vote then that speaks to my observation. One man's opinion in that video represents a microcosm of what's been presented by the Washington Post, NPR, NBCNews, The Southern Poverty Law Center, CNN, and the list goes on. They've all acknowledged and documented (many times) the intersection of xenophobia and racism in the Brexit outcome. However, the online trading community mostly ignores it. I find that a bit ironic because so many trading related discussions have a nice range of objective and well-rounded perspectives. On social issues, not so much.

There has been an increase in xenophobia from a relatively small percentage of people who are using the campaign for their own agenda and the attacks or verbal abuse are abhorent. The vast majority of people in Britain on both sides of the EU debate are extremely tolerant and open minded and certainly not xenophobic and have welcomed immigration for centuries. Many people are upset however, at the deliberate policy of mass uncontrolled immigration in a short period of time due to the pressures that places on all aspects of society for all the people involved.

This report is from a leaked govt doc 10 years ago that shows that this issue has been causing problems for quite some time, but the politicians on all sides have systematically refused to even talk about it.
New EU migrants may put pressure on public services, says report | Politics | The Guardian

Organizations like the WP, NBC, SPLC and CNN, as well as much of the media in the UK have had an agenda to brand the leave campaign as xenophobic from the start (their owners and backers were all heavily backing Remain) and focus on that one issue, when the debate has been about much much more than that. As I mentioned before I think its perfectly reasonable to have a sensible open mature debate about immigration without immediately branding everyone as racist.

I totally disagree with "the intersection of xenophobia and racism in the Brexit outcome". The outcome is the rejection of continuing membership of the EU. Its not recist or xenophobic, nor is it a rejection of europe (whatever that would be) nor an attack on the people of europe or anywhere else. The fact is people all across the continent do not want to be morphed into a giant superstate where they have zero self determination or democratic representation. The people of Ireland, France and the Netherlands have rejected EU treaties proposing greater political union in their own national referenda, and the unelected EU elite have just made them vote again until they got the result they wanted. The above mentioned media outlets have consistently failed to address this issue of democracy because it doesn't fit their agenda. Meanwhile the leaders of the EU press on with their plans for total political union against the will of the people...

EU referendum: German and French to unveil European superstate blueprint post-Brexit | Politics | News | Daily Express

and then they wonder why there's a problem...

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Old June 28th, 2016, 07:14 AM   #283 (permalink)
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Something I found surprising and actually quite saddening was statistics that were released showing voter turnout % for different age-groups. A lot of blame has been placed on 'racist old people' and 'the old ruining the lives of the young' yet it seems that it was our own age group that let ourselves down. Perhaps ignorance or just taking the right to vote for granted, the young who are now upset will learn a very important lesson in utilising your democratic right to vote.

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EU referendum: We should ban old people from voting | British GQ

Brexit Proves Baby Boomers Should Get Less of a Vote | VICE | Australia / NZ

EU Referendum Results: Young 'Screwed By Older Generations' As Polls Suggest 75% Backed Remain

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Old June 28th, 2016, 07:16 AM   #284 (permalink)
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No, @CobblersAwls was making the precise opposite statement and was echoing his/her dismay that so few young people turned out to vote.

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Old June 28th, 2016, 07:34 AM   #285 (permalink)
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The latter part (ignorance of EU's regulations about free movement) is clearly demonstrated when you have people say things such as "we won, out Polish, French, Muslims" as they demonstrate pure ignorance, especially when the people being subjected to this are actually born and bread in the UK.

Problem is what media says about it and make this case ridiculously big.Here in Poland we see in TV news that in UK people attack us,they are starting to be very rude and they even distroys our culture center.Even more,when some drunk idiots destroy Polish flag you dont even whant to hear what people say about England...It could easy go out of control and the point when people start to hate each other is very close.

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Old June 28th, 2016, 07:37 AM   #286 (permalink)
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Problem is what media says about it and make this case ridiculously big.Here in Poland we see in TV news that in UK people attack us,they are starting to be very rude and they even distroys our culture center.Even more,when some drunk idiots destroy Polish flag you dont even whant to hear what people say about England...It could easy go out of control and the point when people start to hate each other is very close.

That's why the government must intervene as they have done yesterday condemning this in the strongest possible terms.
That's why police needs to target these despicable acts and prevent them from spreading.
That's why we as citizens must demonstrate with actions that EU citizens in the UK are welcome.

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Old June 28th, 2016, 07:46 AM   #287 (permalink)
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Brexit vote: Bitter exchanges as EU parliament debates Brexit

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Brexit vote: Bitter exchanges as EU parliament debates Brexit - BBC News

Apparently Nigel Farage's smugness was off the charts.

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Old June 28th, 2016, 08:41 AM   #288 (permalink)
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Interesting. We traveled by train from Stresa (Milano line) to Montreux (Switzerland) in April last year. Although a couple of police walked up/down the train, we were never asked for papers/passports, and I am travelling on a New Zealand one.

You are right! Those policemen in fact were from border guard department. They have a trained eye for people that
are suspected to cross borders illegally. If you read that they may demand the train go back to the starting station...
doing this in another country (means not the own one) - then you see the system. It hits sometimes travelers that have
all the necessary to cross borders.
If you travel in Europe coming from New Zealand you are required to show passport on entry from the long distance flight.
Afterwards you are not suspect to travel illegally.

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Old June 28th, 2016, 06:48 PM   #289 (permalink)
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David Cameron blames Brexit on EU immigration failure

David Cameron told European leaders he lost the EU referendum because they failed to address public concerns over immigration, as tensions rose ahead of looming Brexit negotiations.

The British prime minister said at his final summit in Brussels on Tuesday that fears of mass immigration were “a driving factor” behind the vote and free movement would have to be addressed in Brexit talks.

Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, and other leaders blocked British demands before the referendum for an “emergency brake” on migrant numbers and the idea remains anathema to many member states.

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Old June 28th, 2016, 07:30 PM   #290 (permalink)
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As for the trains - they are controlled especially on the south to north lines passing several countries.
For Switzerland every fast train coming from Germany is thoroughly controlled from Freiburg (last stop before
Basel). The same is for trains coming from Milano north passing to Brig (Canton of Wallis) or passing to Chiasso
(Canton of Ticino). That scenario was installed 20 years back.

But none from France based upon my experience, which I agree poses less of a risk but still some risk.

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