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I am reading a book on options and came across this paragraph:

"Call options with a strike price that is below the stock price are OTM, and their premium is all time value. After the stock moves above the strike price, it is referred to as ITM, and has intrinsic value along with the time value."

DEFINITION of 'In The Money'
1. For a call option, when the option's strike price is below the market price of the underlying asset.

Essentially the author is saying the same thing twice so both scenarios are ITM..............?

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I am reading a book on options and came across this paragraph:

"Call options with a strike price that is below the stock price are OTM, and their premium is all time value. After the stock moves above the strike price, it is referred to as ITM, and has intrinsic value along with the time value."

DEFINITION of 'In The Money'
1. For a call option, when the option's strike price is below the market price of the underlying asset.

Essentially the author is saying the same thing twice so both scenarios are ITM..............?

Call Option OTM, is when the strike price is above the underlying asset.
Price will consist of time, volatility, etc

Once the underlying asset will move above the strike price of the Call Option, then you will be ITM.

His definition is right, but the first sentence should be "above" or "Call Options" was confused with Put Option.

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I am reading a book on options and came across this paragraph:

"Call options with a strike price that is below the stock price are OTM, and their premium is all time value. After the stock moves above the strike price, it is referred to as ITM, and has intrinsic value along with the time value."

DEFINITION of 'In The Money'
1. For a call option, when the option's strike price is below the market price of the underlying asset.

Essentially the author is saying the same thing twice so both scenarios are ITM..............?

When I think of a purchased call option I think if I got long with this call right now (exercised it, if I could) would I be out cash (OTM) or in cash (ITM) on that trade..... same with a bought put, just short from that strike/price...out or in money.

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Either way, using the terms "calls" and "puts" is needlessly ambiguous. Why not just give the terms literal meaning and say purchasing a "buy" option or purchasing a "sell" option.
  • A "buy" option means you have the option to buy the stock at strike price.
  • A "sell" option means you have the option to sell the stock at strike price.

Simple and self explanatory. No cheat sheet necessary!

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When I think of a purchased call option I think if I got long with this call right now (exercised it, if I could) would I be out cash (OTM) or in cash (ITM) on that trade..... same with a bought put, just short from that strike/price...out or in money.

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I just think about it with calls I want the stock price to Climb...and with puts I want the stock price to Plummet.

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Either way, using the terms "calls" and "puts" is needlessly ambiguous. Why not just give the terms literal meaning and say purchasing a "buy" option or purchasing a "sell" option.


Simple and self explanatory. No cheat sheet necessary!

Because you can sell a put and sell a call as an initial transaction!
so in your logic it would be selling a "sell" ?
Options have been traded close to the formation of the stock exchange in the USA, so the terminology makes sense.
You "call" away (take away) a stock/futures/ FX from another trader
With a "put" it gives you the right to "put", or sell, the stock/futures/fx to someone else

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Either way, using the terms "calls" and "puts" is needlessly ambiguous. Why not just give the terms literal meaning and say purchasing a "buy" option or purchasing a "sell" option.
  • A "buy" option means you have the option to buy the stock at strike price.
  • A "sell" option means you have the option to sell the stock at strike price.

Simple and self explanatory. No cheat sheet necessary!

Believe me, if you continue with options, your are going to find things that will seem much more confusing than the names.

Option pricing and strategies, for example, can be quite amazing.

As @mattz said, options have been in use for a very long time, and everything about them has a purpose; if something seems unclear, it is not because the people who trade them, for some pretty serious money, are confused, or don't know what they are doing....

However, I do understand the frustration, and remember it, although it was long ago now. So, just accept that it will make sense, perhaps after a lot of repetition. One trick that is available, if anything in your book is confusing, would be to just check the Wikipedia entry or Google it. Seeing it put another way may clear things up for you.

Good luck with this.

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Because you can sell a put and sell a call as an initial transaction!
so in your logic it would be selling a "sell" ?
Options have been traded close to the formation of the stock exchange in the USA, so the terminology makes sense.
You "call" away (take away) a stock/futures/ FX from another trader
With a "put" it gives you the right to "put", or sell, the stock/futures/fx to someone else

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Ya...I see how it would complicate things...I'm starting to get the hang of it now.


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Believe me, if you continue with options, your are going to find things that will seem much more confusing than the names.

Option pricing and strategies, for example, can be quite amazing.

As @mattz said, options have been in use for a very long time, and everything about them has a purpose; if something seems unclear, it is not because the people who trade them, for some pretty serious money, are confused, or don't know what they are doing....

However, I do understand the frustration, and remember it, although it was long ago now. So, just accept that it will make sense, perhaps after a lot of repetition. One trick that is available, if anything in your book is confusing, would be to just check the Wikipedia entry or Google it. Seeing it put another way may clear things up for you.

Good luck with this.

Bob.

I hear ya Actually, I follow the strategies ok...straddles, strangles, collars etc....I just kept getting hung up on the terminology...but now I see it has its purposes.

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I am reading a book on options and came across this paragraph:

"Call options with a strike price that is below the stock price are OTM, and their premium is all time value. After the stock moves above the strike price, it is referred to as ITM, and has intrinsic value along with the time value."

DEFINITION of 'In The Money'
1. For a call option, when the option's strike price is below the market price of the underlying asset.

Essentially the author is saying the same thing twice so both scenarios are ITM..............?

hello brags...Option Trading will take a bit more time to Understand, as well as the many ways they can be used.
I am posting a Chart of AMZN and the 540 Call Option Chart next to it for this Example.
The Notes on the Chart Describe the Important information, as the October 540 Call is OTM, as it has yet to Rise above that 540 Strike Level.

If someone would Actually Buy the 540 Call or Pay the Premium of 8.75 or $875...They would have 10 more Trading days to see if the Value would Increase for More than the $875 Paid for it, and then Sell it.
This is the Main Idea behind Directional Option Buying of Calls and Puts.
But there are Many more Strategies in Options Trading that i will Not get into, because it would be off Topic.
I Hope you can see the Chart well enough to see the details...if not try Clicking it a second time to see if it will Magnify more.

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