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A paradox or simply a phenomenon?
Human nature. We are the consumers.
But 99% of the time it's much more comfortable to shift the blame on our suppliers.

Very true and no different to trading rooms. Simple : Caveat Emptor.

Ironically I drive a 2ltr diesel Ford, it does 47mpg no matter how I drive it. Utterly brilliant for a large car.

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Ever since I can remember any of the cars I've been riding - gasoline, diesel, LPG, E, German or "foreign" -
consumed more than specified by their manufacturers. Friends, family, colleagues, acquaintances - all experienced
the same.

https://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/heres-why-real-world-mpg-doesnt-match-epa-ratings.html

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Of course the German car makers are under pressure - concerning about the diesel problems in
the past 10 to 15 years as well as the very next months.
In the German press the diesel seems to be dead. But the car makers do not have any project ready
to work around.

Now the German politics is still not ready to make rules that count for the markets - the clients and
the already sold models that are not fulfilling given limits for pollution.

Where will the REAL pressure come from?

It is coming from the towns that will set temporary or all time ban of diesel cars in the respective city.
This is allowed in Germany as every town can regulate the traffic and ban cars that are off the rules.
With such individual city solutions - the diesel car owners will have big troubles. Even when they want
to drive through a city on the highway - like in Hamburg or Stuttgart.

For sure local limits and/or bans will be much more influencing than waiting for German elections in
September.

In any case the car makers are in a very weak position now!

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Your saying that in the "all-inclusive Europe" where the European court can and does force countries to do things that they don't want in the name of whats best for Europe, that individual cities will be able to ban specific cars?

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Where will the REAL pressure come from?[/B]
It is coming from the towns that will set temporary or all time ban of diesel cars in the respective city.
This is allowed in Germany as every town can regulate the traffic and ban cars that are off the rules.
With such individual city solutions - the diesel car owners will have big troubles. Even when they want
to drive through a city on the highway - like in Hamburg or Stuttgart.

For sure local limits and/or bans will be much more influencing than waiting for German elections in
September.

Funny thing is that these political shining lights always fiddle about with symptoms.

And if they have the choice between catering to city mob and fixing problems, their choice is pretty clear.
Thus the the next greenish senior teacher frenzy of activity, next mindless subventions, and the next bright
energy revolution are virtually guaranteed

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Your saying that in the "all-inclusive Europe" where the European court can and does force countries to do things that they don't want in the name of whats best for Europe, that individual cities will be able to ban specific cars?

Yes. EU is making rules for both sides: car makers and pollution limits for cities.
So the cities are free to ban specific vehicules that do not fulfill certain limits. Thus banning Euro 4 or 5 vehicules
are already restricted in certain areas.

In Switzerland (you know - not EU member) certain regions are reducing speed limits severely on hot summer days
on highways to reduce pollution. The measure is high ozone markers. This is normality since several decades especially
in the southern parts of Switzerland.

Things like a diesel ban in German cities are on its way - independent of the measly "solutions" like software updates (sic!)
the car makers are offering to their clients. Environment and health for people and nature first.
Only with distinct pressure the car makers need to bring quickly all new technologies to proceed. Else: fail! That is
affecting every car making company in Germany right now to survive or not.

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According to several German sources - Daimler is to recall 3 million diesel cars
of Euro 5 and Euro 6 for a software update. This update should be done within 1 hour...
The whole repair cycle has a budget of 220 million. (!)

Conclusion:
The large betrayal of Daimler from 2008 to 2016 could have been omitted by a "better" software for 80 bucks?
HaHaHa...

If you buy a model of Mercedes you pay from 70k to 250k or more...
That software which is out of the box now would have cost NOTHING - when installed upfront.
But the happy Merc' clients are thankful to see a garage again for another hour to feel cured by their service.
From there Daimler hopes to have no longer troubles with the German TüV.
..and hopes that the towns will not ban their vehicules soon.

HaHaHa 2

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IFO Institute is speaking of a loss of over 600 thousand jobs in Germany if the
car makers will no longer produce diesel cars.

Of course a transition to new technology is evident and was not followed
with full force - even the scandals are already known very long - to be ready
with new proposals/technologies for clients worldwide.

As long as the "best car makers" in the world are not willing to take their
clients important enough - then this industry in Germany will go down
very fast and will have a big impact on the economy.

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IFO Institute is speaking of a loss of over 600 thousand jobs in Germany if the
car makers will no longer produce diesel cars.

Since Ifo is part of Merkel's economical advisors you can safely assume that this is exactly the prelude
for the above-mentioned subvention party.

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According to "Sueddeutsche Zeitung"
EU industrial commissionar Elzbieta Bienkowska wrote an open letter to all EU countries.
She says that every diesel car with illegal software that is not "repaired" will be taken out
of traffic (losing admittance) by 2018. She says that without pressure the car makers are
playing with time. She also says that closing cities for dirty diesel should be coordinated
EU-wide.

Article (German):
Manipulierte VW-Diesel sollen von Straßen verschwinden - Auto & Mobil - Süddeutsche.de

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