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Fiat Chrysler and GM also started "voluntary update" programs after internal inquiries have found "irregularities".


While the measurement seams easy and straightforward, emission is emission, most of the complexity seems around creating unrealistic test situation, in order to produce low enough values..

Fiat Chrysler To Update Euro 6 Calibrations To Improve Emission Performance - NASDAQ.com

Probably this debate/situation could be avoided if the requirements and the testing were more real-live / realistic
capture the outlet of the car during 1000 km random drive, city + highway
that would be remove all the room for tweaking and cheating

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According Der Spiegel - Holland institute TNO is accusing Mercedes to have built in a device into
the C class Diesel motors to change NOX settings when outside temperatures fall underneath
10 degrees Celsius (means using more diesel - thus blowing more NOX out).
Holland wants to kill the licences for accused models...

Mercedes said this is invented to make the motor live longer!
Nothing said about damage to environment.

The happy story must go on...

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German article:
Mercedes-Benz: C-Klasse unter Manipulationsverdacht - SPIEGEL ONLINE

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Seems everybody was aware of it..

VWs Winterkorn Told of Defeat Device Probe in 2014, Bild Says - Bloomberg Business

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Collective Complaints by German VW owners

According to The Spiegel and the german Manager Magazin from today
the US Michael Hausfeld who has already started collective complaints against
VW for US VW owners now starts the same for german VW owners.

Since VW in Germany restricts complaints and says it takes the car back
to make adjustments without any compensation, Hausfeld argues that the
car maker has fouled the legal labels showing the official NOx and CO
emissions of the involved diesel cars which differ by far from reality.

This case will open a collective complaint for up to 2,5 million german
car owners with involved models.

A total of several billion for german compensation is now newly on the
table. Hausfeld says that his bureau has enough margin to fight even
10 years against the german carmaker.

German article here:
Volkswagen: Deutsche VW-Opfer können auf Entschädigung hoffen - manager magazin

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Razzia in South Korea

After a bad recall plan the prosecutor of South Korea has started
a Razzia in the rooms of VW South Korea. Papers, Computers
and more were arrested today.
Goal is to get the mails exchanged with the mother company.

South Korean VW seat has already got a fine in the last month
of more than 10 million Euro. This time the costs might go up.

Article (german) here:
VW-Skandal: Ermittler durchsuchen Niederlassung in Südkorea - SPIEGEL ONLINE

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Daimler in focus now too

US Daimler client starts a collective complaint against Daimler because of fraudulent
emission on US Daimler cars.
The plaintiff is a well known US lawyer who has done other mass complaints for US citizens.

European car makers have to be on alert.

German article:
Daimler: US-Autobesitzer klagt gegen angeblichen Abgas-Schwindel - SPIEGEL ONLINE

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VW managers in focus of Californian prosecutors

According to n-tv - news channel of Germany the prosecutors of California
deposed last evening a collective complaint from US VW clients against VW.
New in this case is that the plaintiffs want to get compensation from each
former and actual manager like Winterkorn, Müller or others as well as
from VW itself...
If such complaint succeeds then other US counties might follow and maybe
some other countries. This can ruin private responsibles of the company
as well as the company itself.
Some judges may bring in the "real threat" for VW with their judgements.

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According to n-tv - news channel of Germany the prosecutors of California
deposed last evening a collective complaint from US VW clients against VW.
New in this case is that the plaintiffs want to get compensation from each
former and actual manager like Winterkorn, Müller or others as well as
from VW itself...
If such complaint succeeds then other US counties might follow and maybe
some other countries. This can ruin private responsibles of the company
as well as the company itself.
Some judges may bring in the "real threat" for VW with their judgements.

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Can company managers be personally liable in Germany?

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Can company managers be personally liable in Germany?

Yes for sure!
That is the reason why the company and the manager himself have some insurance concerning
their work.
But if the cause of failure was illegal then the insurance will not pay anyway.

Looks not bad to see some managers being fined. And paying back some compensation. Personally!
They were taking out more money out of the pockets of longtime company clients.
Plus immoral salaries over time...

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Yes for sure!
That is the reason why the company and the manager himself have some insurance concerning
their work.
But if the cause of failure was illegal then the insurance will not pay anyway.

Looks not bad to see some managers being fined. And paying back some compensation. Personally!
They were taking out more money out of the pockets of longtime company clients.
Plus immoral salaries over time...

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Thanks GFIs1 - I agree, managers should definitely held accountable - I'm on the fence as to whether they should pay out of their own pocket.

It's probably something that would need to be assessed on a case by case basis. For example, if certain managers decided to explicitly defraud their customer base by falsifying emission checks they should pay.

But I see more of a gray area for other managers. For example there may be those that perhaps knew of the situation, they were personally against it, but did nothing to stop it.

I am also mindful of the fact that there may be managers that improved significantly aspects of their company and brought real value to their clients over many years, perhaps even decades, but then took a bad turn and maybe defrauded their clients over 1-2 years. In those cases I see difficulty in assessing burden, how does one split accountability?

I am not necessarily talking about VW here, but more in general. But clearly VW is a good catalyst for discussion.

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