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Please give me specific examples where I have stopped people from expressing their beliefs or applied rules differently because someone doesn't trade the way I do, and I will take a look and comment.
Sorry your thread is going off-topic. However, there are two issues.
(a) It is better to use existing threads than create new duplicate threads for existing topics.
(b) The original thread has been viewed as "dying" or "coming to an end abruptly" because a few people are upset about some things that transpired.
I think the best way to deal with it is to confront it, so hopefully your thread will serve that purpose. However, when we are done, it is best this thread be closed and the original thread continue. I agree with the other poster that said the best way to bring life into the old thread is to bring life into the old thread (posting).
I was wondering, why so many people doesnīt post anymore not only in the mentioned thread, so i had a look at it yesterday and i still feel really uncomfortable, what iīve seen there. Iīm sure, thatīs the reason, why this thread has died. Itīs not difficult to understand, what was going on.
In post # 4915 josh made a IMO rude statement against fritzk, who was posting constantly there and who has never offended anyone (correct me, if iīm wrong). But not only this, josh came to the conclusion, that the most if not all PA traders are at the end of the day stubborn loosers, if i got it right. Thatīs being said in a PA traders thread, on of the biggest on the whole forum!!! Never read sth. insulting like that on futures.io (formerly BMT). What else can be a violation of the forum rules???
Obviously someone complained about that, so that Big Mike made a comment in # 4926, which introduced certainly the end of this thread and the exit of i donīt know how many traders maybe not only out of this thread, but out of futures.io (formerly BMT) as a whole.
Mike didnīt interrupt this insulting, he moreover defended josh, claiming he would only like to help and furthermore complained about the IMO understandable reactions of the attacked traders.
It doesnīt feel good to get insulted for oneīs trading style with the indirect support of the moderator. And if this is the new style on futures.io (formerly BMT), itīs getting uninterersting for me, too. What a pity! This was a good place to be until yesterday for me.
@Fritzk replied a second time, it looks like @josh editing his original post a minute or two after and added the statement in bold, to which @Fritzk is directly responding to:
At this point I think it is fair to say some think @josh is personally attacking them. But I think these people should be slightly more listening. It is my opinion that @josh is absolutely correct, and that he is only saying these things to try to help - not to try to upset people. I have used trendlines myself, for a long time, and made money. But I believe the point is that trendlines aren't the catalyst moving markets. I would suggest reading the thread "Random Line Theory" to try to understand how the mind works when it comes to lines on a chart and how perception can quickly be distorted.
Honestly, this really upset me. Where is the dramatic turn? Because @josh told @Fritzk that trendlines isn't why the market jumped 10 handles? I think people are taking things too personally, they like the method they are using but they should be open to the possibility the market moves for reasons outside of what is covered by the method.
When @Silvester17's post received 12 thanks, it makes me sad. It's because I know the biggest problem on a forum is negativity. If negativity is allowed to fester, it basically breeds more negativity and spreads. The reason is not because @Silvester17 is a mean or bad person. In fact, @Silvester17 is one of the most helpful and respected posters on all of futures.io (formerly BMT). The reason is it is simply easier to be mean on a forum than it is to be nice. Believe me, I suffer from this often, when I read something I so strongly disagree with -- the easiest response is the one to attack, the more difficult response is the one to try and educate and explain.
So when I see that, it makes me sad because it's like a daisy chain event where people get fixated on this "event" and use this "event" to get negative about other events on futures.io (formerly BMT), and it just becomes a snowball effect where eventually people start leaving or threatening to leave because of the negativity.
futures.io (formerly BMT) was created to be a positive and helpful place. For this reason, I reached out to @Silvester17 and tried to explain my belief and much of what I wrote above, thanked him immensely for his contributions, but also asked him to be aware of the "snowball effect" on negativity. Unfortunately he has not made any further posts on futures.io (formerly BMT) after I contacted him.
But this is the duty of the site admin, a site admin that believes in the site and its users and its content, and there are not always easy black/white choices. Like trading, it's a lot of grey area, and it requires discretion and it requires taking risk.
I believe that if all members involved would simply talk to each other they would find they are all good people, all with positive intentions. I invite them to do so. Then we can all move forward.
@pipandrun, let's get this out in the open please. I would appreciate it if you would please help me understand how my reply in #4926 was insulting or how it added to the problem instead of trying to address it, or how it ended the thread.
Please feel free to break down my reply line-by-line and help me understand your point of view.
Hi, I'm responding just because I saw a mention pop up...
I certainly meant no disrespect towards @josh ... I generally quite like his posts, and as I mentioned in my response, I agree with a lot of what he was saying. I just thought his approach (and probably mine!) could have been better, and would have avoided people thinking it was a personal attack (or attack on anyone using that methodology) as opposed to suggesting we look deeper into why the market moves. Maybe I'm wrong and that's fine, but that's certainly how it read to me.
But I have also noticed that if someone offers a different opinion, some users take offense, or even take it very personally. I have been taught throughout life that if someone says something to you and it offends you, there is a reason on the inside that you are offended. They have hit a nerve with you. The best thing to do is to look inside and figure out why you were offended.
The issue I see is that people have tied their egos to their trading or their method. SO if either don't work out well they feel like they have personally failed. You cannot do that, because it will never end well. Only once I removed my self worth from my trading was I able to take an objective view of it.
Waiting, Discipline and Patience Pays!
