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Julius de Kempenaer (JdK) Relative Rotation Graphs (RRG) aka JdK RS Ratio

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It is my pleasure to welcome Julius de Kempenaer for our 392nd webinar event, on Thursday, July 16th @ 4:30 PM Eastern US.

The title for the event is "Using Relative Rotation Graphs To Measure Strength & Weakness", and bullet points include:

- Importance of quantitative research in trading
- How did RRGs come to life?
- The visual distinction of RRG
- Construction of an RRG
- Rotational sequence and interpretation
- What works and what doesn’t
- Q&A with Julius, creator of RRG



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However, having said that, from a business perspective I need to point out to you that the visualisation methodology of Relative Rotation Graphs (RRGs) is protected by copyright law and so is the Intellectual Property of the algorithms for the indicators they use. Finally, RRG/Relative Rotation Graphs are also an internationally registered Trademark.

Julius,

As an intellectual property holder myself, I have nothing but support for authors who rightfully assert the full extent of the rights and privileges afforded to them. But that support quickly turns to concern when I see broad statements that the layperson may not easily (or correctly) interpret, often leading to unnecessary self-censorship. A cynical person might say that self-censorship en-masse was the desired effect, but I choose to believe that you equally support other people's rights to free speech, even when they may not be for your own benefit. Your concern may actually be about the distribution of your copyrighted documents, so let's dive into what you're actually claiming here. (From a US perspective.)

You point out that "the visualization methodology" is protected by copyright law. Ok, that's perfectly fine. I mean, copyright law doesn't protect methodologies. But if you put together a document describing your methodology, you could copyright the document itself just as much as any other document can be copyrighted. Or you could copyright the literal implementation as it is enshrined in your source code. But a copyright isn't a patent. A patent would protect you from others using, creating, re-creating, or reverse-engineering the RRG method. But that's not what we have here. If what you're saying is, "We've got some copyrighted documents online, please don't distribute them", then any fair-use aside, that sounds good. That aside, I don't see anything that prevents this discussion from continuing as it was before. Do you?

Whew! Okay, let's move on. The next item you point out is that the "Intellectual Property of the algorithms for the indicators they use" are also protected by copyright law. The wording here is so badly mangled, but I'll make a best effort at what you may have meant. Intellectual property could refer to copyrights, trademarks, trade secrets, patents, and more. But really, it sounds like you're trying to say that you copyrighted something to do with the algorithms and indicators. Like a presentation, or a product manual, or your complete source code. But again, those aren't patents, and so long as nobody is making verbatim copies of your documents at least, verbatim copies that go beyond fair use (which is not an insignificant point), once again, I don't see how any reverse engineering activity here would violate such rights. Are any of these copyrights registered? Providing those registration numbers would go a long ways to show that you're acting in good faith. We could understand and confirm the full extent of your intellectual property claim.

Finally, you claim one final piece of intellectual property: a trademark for RRG and for Relative Rotation Graphs. That's easy enough to determine your US rights to. And this seems to be the core of where your rights go above and beyond any who creates something, puts it online, and asks people not to make their own version of it.

There's a registered trademark for RRG. Unfortunately, it is a trademarked design. So it looks like a cross between a Windows logo and a recycling logo with the letters RRG in the middle. What this means is that anyone can still use the acronym RRG in any which way they like, unrestricted by this trademark. So the trademark holder can go after anyone else who uses that logo in commerce. This really doesn't affect anyone here.

There's a registered trademark for RELATIVE ROTATION GRAPHS. You know what? They got the right thing registered, and that's nice to see. A holding company has rights over the term "RELATIVE ROTATION GRAPHS" as used in commerce, in the general areas finance, software design, and websites. There's lots of room for non-commercial fair use, particularly because it isn't easily identifying without using the trademark. I don't think Julius is asking everyone in a forum to stop using its trademark, but if that somehow ended up being the case and someone wanted to be complaint, they could just refer to it as "RRG" "an RRG" "the RRG graph" (redundant, right?). Even "Rotation Graphs".

But I think I see and understand your business model here. In terms of claiming ownership of the indicator and preventing others from making their own implementation (commercial or non-commercial), you seem to have the same level of protection that most software authors have. That is to say, very little. You could claim copyrights (registered or unregistered, I don't think that matters) of any number of its aspects, but copyrights don't grant ownership of a system or method.

But what is protected is the name itself (relative rotation graphs) and a stylized RRG logo (but not the letters RRG themselves). This, in combination with software and support and really, I'm reading that you've turned into something more of a real-time online service? Okay. That's a well-established business model.

But if someone creates a knock off indicator and calls it RRG and publishes the source code to it everywhere, I don't see that you have any substantial rights that would block them. Do you? Or, for that matter, a bunch of enthusiasts in a financial forum looking to create their own version? You just want them to respect any copyrighted documents they find along the way, right?

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