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Don't take this the wrong way, i'm not trying to be an asshole. However I can't share charts in a public domain for the purpose of you attempting to reverse engineer the Algo Julius has created. Sharing with the knowledge of your intent could make me also liable for any potential intellectual property/ copyright infringements against you.

I suggest you either purchase the RRG module from Julius, or email him yourself for an alternative solution/ arrangement.

For the record I have no affiliation with Julius or RRG(TM)- I just value his work, therefore i'm showing him some courtesy.

Thank you for understanding Neo1. I have added a reply to this thread along the same lines.

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Hi all,

I stumbled upon this thread and noticed people are trying to reverse engineer the algorithms to re-create Relative Rotation Graphs which I first created back in 2004 and got embedded in Bloomberg professional terminals in 2011. Let me first say that it's flattering to see people trying to copy something you have created and I cannot stop anybody playing around in their own back-yard.

However, having said that, from a business perspective I need to point out to you that the visualisation methodology of Relative Rotation Graphs (RRGs) is protected by copyright law and so is the Intellectual Property of the algorithms for the indicators they use. Finally, RRG/Relative Rotation Graphs are also an internationally registered Trademark.

So I would like to ask all of you to respect the ownership of these materials as well as the rights of RRG Research' current (Bloomberg, Thomson Reuters, Market Analyst and StockCharts.com) and future business partners, there more in the pipe-line.

If you happen to find anything or copy (some of) the ingredients then please keep it to yourself and refrain from sharing them in public.

Needless to say that any commercial use or exploitation is strictly limited to licensees of RRG Research. In case you are interested in anything like that please do get in touch with me and let me know what you would like to do. We are keen to get more exposure for RRGs, we won't bite and we are very reasonable. Our licensees get access to our API which will take care of the back-end number crunching and we have a script available to render the graphs (including animation of the rotation and a few other controls) on a website or a web-based platform.

In case you would like to get in touch with me just drop me a message here or on my regular email, I did not shut myself off from the rest of the world (on the contrary, the door is open) and I am happy to talk to people with the same interests. In the end of the day I love the dynamics of the financial markets and a quant/technical approach to them but I also have to keep an eye on the business interests of RRG Research which I hope you will understand and respect.

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Thanks for your note. Your work is appreciated and will be respected.

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Our licensees get access to our API which will take care of the back-end number crunching and we have a script available to render the graphs (including animation of the rotation and a few other controls) on a website or a web-based platform.

Hi Julius,

Do you have solutions for R? Is the API using your data, or mine? Are the graphs rendered within R via your toolset, or do I need to make an external call? Just trying to see if your solution would work for me.

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Hi Julius,

Do you have solutions for R? Is the API using your data, or mine? Are the graphs rendered within R via your toolset, or do I need to make an external call? Just trying to see if your solution would work for me.

Thanks.

Mike

Hi Mike,

The API needs to receive an XML file with the historical price data for the securities you would like to plot on an RRG (so it uses your data!). The API will then return a JSON object containing the JdK RS-Ratio and JdK RS-Momentum values for this set.

Depending on the implementation (our) JavaScript is then used to render the RRG in a browser window (can be a web-page or a web-based platform). But we are happy to work with people who want to do their own implementations, we provide the bare-bones script and allow people to pimp that using CSS/HTML/Jscript etc to fit their platform or website.

I am not really familiar with R but if it can handle JavaScript I presume the graphs can be rendered within R.

Julius

btw nice setup of this forum! Never came across it before but it's very active and lively. Something that is lacking at a lot of others !

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Hi Mike,

The API needs to receive an XML file with the historical price data for the securities you would like to plot on an RRG (so it uses your data!). The API will then return a JSON object containing the JdK RS-Ratio and JdK RS-Momentum values for this set.

Depending on the implementation (our) JavaScript is then used to render the RRG in a browser window (can be a web-page or a web-based platform). But we are happy to work with people who want to do their own implementations, we provide the bare-bones script and allow people to pimp that using CSS/HTML/Jscript etc to fit their platform or website.

I am not really familiar with R but if it can handle JavaScript I presume the graphs can be rendered within R.

Julius

btw nice setup of this forum! Never came across it before but it's very active and lively. Something that is lacking at a lot of others !

This sounds very promising. Is the API documentation or pricing public or do I need to contact you privately?

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Rotation Webinar

I would be very interested in a webinar on rotation strategies. Strengths/weaknesses, instruments, tools, expectations vs. short term directional trading, etc.

The animated rotations on the Graphs are fascinating to watch and make a great learning tool.

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This sounds very promising. Is the API documentation or pricing public or do I need to contact you privately?

Mike

Hi Mike, there's a bit of documentation at the moment, no pricing yet. We have just launched the API for a first client who is going to use this setup. I expect them to go live in a month or so. We have tested the API but I want to see how it behaves in real life and in production environment.

There is no 'pricing' table. We typically engage with our counterparts looking at their setup like no of users, which markets they want covered in RRGs and then try to find a mutually agreeable pricing point usually it is a per user/ per month $ nr

If you drop me a message and tell me what you would like to do or try out, i'd be happy to set you up to 'play around' in this beta state as it is now.

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I would be very interested in a webinar on rotation strategies. Strengths/weaknesses, instruments, tools, expectations vs. short term directional trading, etc.

The animated rotations on the Graphs are fascinating to watch and make a great learning tool.

Hi david, I'll be joining Arthur Hill at Stockcharts for his weekly webinar in 40 minutes from now... it's not a complete webinar on RRG or rotation strategies but we will be using Relative Rotation Graphs for sure. There are a few past webinars available in the StockCharts archives.

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Interesting Webinar

Thanks for the heads up on the webinar Julius. Interesting stuff.

I can see where the manual charts would be very beneficial for a rotation strategy changing out every week or so. I'm sure the API would make even finer rotations possible.

Your presentation certainly gave me lots of ideas.

Are the graphs basically the same across the various services? Or do the premium services have more features? Just curious.

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Hi Mike, there's a bit of documentation at the moment, no pricing yet. We have just launched the API for a first client who is going to use this setup. I expect them to go live in a month or so. We have tested the API but I want to see how it behaves in real life and in production environment.

There is no 'pricing' table. We typically engage with our counterparts looking at their setup like no of users, which markets they want covered in RRGs and then try to find a mutually agreeable pricing point usually it is a per user/ per month $ nr

If you drop me a message and tell me what you would like to do or try out, i'd be happy to set you up to 'play around' in this beta state as it is now.

I don't have spare time for the implementation right now, but will reach out at some point. This would be for my own private use only for my own trading with my own funds.

Mike

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