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I never liked the term "80% Rule" - makes it sound like it's set in stone, which it isn't.

That said, when the market is heading back to value, or is already in value, I take the VAH and VAL as price levels which have a higher probability of a decent entry position. Monday and Tuesday of this week were good examples - here's how I analyze it:

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Tuesday's trading levels from Monday's profile:

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Tuesday trades and potential areas for trades:

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Explanation:

Monday's MP levels were nice areas for potential trade setups. It doesn't mean that the first entry is going to achieve 80% - if you look at the last chart above, you can see that it took several tries before that was done.

That said, MP VAH and VAL levels are fairly reliable when they occur.

I don't agree with the two 30 minute bars - trading the value area can happen any time of the day as far as I'm concerned. I'm only looking for price to be at these levels. That's it.

This is really just value area trading - I find that the narrower the value area from the previous day, the more likely it is that if price is moving towards these levels, it's a fairly good bet that at the very least you can scalp a few points.

When the market opens way out of the VA and out of range, then it's another story entirely.

I've found market profile theory more useful than anything else I've studied, "80% Rule" included. Unfortunately, I think there's a big misunderstanding about the profile in general - the profile was never intended to give trade setups or entry points. It was intended to demonstrate structure and where "value" is at any one point in time. We can certainly use the levels to guestimate entry points, but it takes a greater understanding of what's going on in the market to know when to go and when to stand aside.

If anyone is a dedicated MP trader, we have a group on Skype that discusses the profile every day. Contact me if you are interested.

What we are NOT:
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    We also discuss footprint charts and a few other technical applications. But mainly MP.

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Hello dougrkyle,

Can you give examples to rules with VA and VL that you mentioned.

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There are several different ways you are factor this rule and test it. I used J Dalton's first book as a baseline for my testing. But what is most important is for you to create a rule set and backtest it.

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Hey PhantomTrader,

Are you still running the skype group?

By the way, has anyone seen Dalton's Live Trading DVDs? Does he really trade in them?

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Phantom Trader's MP Skype room

Phantom Trader, I would be interested in your MP Skype room.
I have been studying Market Profile with Reza Dimaghani for about 6 months and it has turned my trading around. He posts youtube videos of MP trading levels a few times a week that are fantastic aids.

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