Custom Trader Keyboard - Feedback needed - Traders Hideout | futures io social day trading
futures io futures trading


Custom Trader Keyboard - Feedback needed
Updated: Views / Replies:3,414 / 20
Created: by Koepisch Attachments:2

Welcome to futures io.

(If you already have an account, login at the top of the page)

futures io is the largest futures trading community on the planet, with over 90,000 members. At futures io, our goal has always been and always will be to create a friendly, positive, forward-thinking community where members can openly share and discuss everything the world of trading has to offer. The community is one of the friendliest you will find on any subject, with members going out of their way to help others. Some of the primary differences between futures io and other trading sites revolve around the standards of our community. Those standards include a code of conduct for our members, as well as extremely high standards that govern which partners we do business with, and which products or services we recommend to our members.

At futures io, our focus is on quality education. No hype, gimmicks, or secret sauce. The truth is: trading is hard. To succeed, you need to surround yourself with the right support system, educational content, and trading mentors Ė all of which you can find on futures io, utilizing our social trading environment.

With futures io, you can find honest trading reviews on brokers, trading rooms, indicator packages, trading strategies, and much more. Our trading review process is highly moderated to ensure that only genuine users are allowed, so you donít need to worry about fake reviews.

We are fundamentally different than most other trading sites:
  • We are here to help. Just let us know what you need.
  • We work extremely hard to keep things positive in our community.
  • We do not tolerate rude behavior, trolling, or vendors advertising in posts.
  • We firmly believe in and encourage sharing. The holy grail is within you, we can help you find it.
  • We expect our members to participate and become a part of the community. Help yourself by helping others.

You'll need to register in order to view the content of the threads and start contributing to our community.  It's free and simple.

-- Big Mike, Site Administrator

View Poll Results: Custom Keyboard For Trading
No need of that 11 36.67%
Good Idea - Prefer tablet based solution 1 3.33%
Good Idea - Prefer hardware based solution (Smart Switches) 9 30.00%
Good Idea - Gimme more details / visions 9 30.00%
Voters: 30. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 2  
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
 

Custom Trader Keyboard - Feedback needed

  #1 (permalink)
Elite Member
@ Germany
 
Futures Experience: Beginner
Platform: NinjaTrader
Broker/Data: Mirus Futures/Zen-Fire
Favorite Futures: FDAX
 
Posts: 441 since Nov 2011
Thanks: 254 given, 369 received

Custom Trader Keyboard - Feedback needed

Hello,

since a while i'm doing researching to build a customizable trading keyboard from scratch. Main purposes should be:
  • Switching charts at Screens (Multi Monitor Setup)
  • Enable/Disable automatic strategies // automatic trade entry/exit
  • Apply trade management functions on the fly (Market Order, Limit Order, OCO Setups, Trailing, Flatten All)

The main challenge is to keep the things simple and only use a few buttons and change their behavior by context. There are 2 options:

1. Utilize a tablet computer and write a custom keybord software. A switch is defined as an area on the screen (custom "button" graphic is shown). Connect via WLAN to the trading computer.
2. Build a hardware keyboard with NKK OLED switches with customizable optical feedback (little graphics on top of the switch). Connect via USB / Bluetooth/ WLAN to the computer.

Both solutions have their advantages and disadvantages.

The "Key" displays only graphics and is responding to inputs (pushing) and current context. There is a tight pairing between your trading software (Ninjatrader) and the keyboard. If you are in a position then the background color of the (one of them) switch could display the current PNL (Amount + green or red background) and act as an CLOSE switch. If you are not in a trade the switch can act as an "Buy Market" switch. Other switches could select the instrument and position size.

NKK OLED SWITCH
Please register on futures.io to view futures trading content such as post attachment(s), image(s), and screenshot(s).


Currently i can't do the decision which option to choose that's why i create that poll. It's only a private long term project, but i want to know the opinions about such an input device. I have the skills to make both of the options running.

Koepisch


Last edited by Koepisch; January 17th, 2014 at 03:33 AM.
Reply With Quote
The following user says Thank You to Koepisch for this post:
 
  #2 (permalink)
Elite Member
@ Germany
 
Futures Experience: Beginner
Platform: NinjaTrader
Broker/Data: Mirus Futures/Zen-Fire
Favorite Futures: FDAX
 
Posts: 441 since Nov 2011
Thanks: 254 given, 369 received

@Big Mike: Please can you make that thread visible on the "Question Board"?


Last edited by Koepisch; January 16th, 2014 at 12:56 PM.
Reply With Quote
 
  #3 (permalink)
Elite Member
@ Germany
 
Futures Experience: Beginner
Platform: NinjaTrader
Broker/Data: Mirus Futures/Zen-Fire
Favorite Futures: FDAX
 
Posts: 441 since Nov 2011
Thanks: 254 given, 369 received


@Big Mike: The members (and i) can only see the poll results not the poll himself. I had no time limit in place. Can you reenable that? Thanks Koepisch

Reply With Quote
 
  #4 (permalink)
Site Administrator
Manta, Ecuador
 
Futures Experience: Advanced
Platform: My own custom solution
Favorite Futures: E-mini ES S&P 500
 
Big Mike's Avatar
 
Posts: 46,240 since Jun 2009
Thanks: 29,352 given, 83,231 received


Koepisch View Post
@Big Mike: The members (and i) can only see the poll results not the poll himself. I had no time limit in place. Can you reenable that? Thanks Koepisch

You created the thread in the Paid Services subforum. No one but you (and me) can reply to the thread.

In addition, you should check out:
https://futures.io/vendors-product-reviews/29344-keyboard-trader-www-keyboardtrader-com.html

Since they are already an expert at this instead of reinventing the wheel, it would seem.

Mike

Due to time constraints, please do not PM me if your question can be resolved or answered on the forum.

Need help?
1) Stop changing things. No new indicators, charts, or methods. Be consistent with what is in front of you first.
2) Start a journal and post to it daily with the trades you made to show your strengths and weaknesses.
3) Set goals for yourself to reach daily. Make them about how you trade, not how much money you make.
4) Accept responsibility for your actions. Stop looking elsewhere to explain away poor performance.
5) Where to start as a trader? Watch this webinar and read this thread for hundreds of questions and answers.
6)
Help using the forum? Watch this video to learn general tips on using the site.

If you want
to support our community, become an Elite Member.

Reply With Quote
 
  #5 (permalink)
Elite Member
@ Germany
 
Futures Experience: Beginner
Platform: NinjaTrader
Broker/Data: Mirus Futures/Zen-Fire
Favorite Futures: FDAX
 
Posts: 441 since Nov 2011
Thanks: 254 given, 369 received

@Big Mike: Can you move the thread anywere else? I wasn't aware of that special post restrictions here. I knew the current solution with your site sponsor - but this isn't what i need and thats why i have created this thread to get in touch with others which similar needs.

Reply With Quote
 
  #6 (permalink)
Site Administrator
Manta, Ecuador
 
Futures Experience: Advanced
Platform: My own custom solution
Favorite Futures: E-mini ES S&P 500
 
Big Mike's Avatar
 
Posts: 46,240 since Jun 2009
Thanks: 29,352 given, 83,231 received

Moved to Traders Hideout.

Mike

Due to time constraints, please do not PM me if your question can be resolved or answered on the forum.

Need help?
1) Stop changing things. No new indicators, charts, or methods. Be consistent with what is in front of you first.
2) Start a journal and post to it daily with the trades you made to show your strengths and weaknesses.
3) Set goals for yourself to reach daily. Make them about how you trade, not how much money you make.
4) Accept responsibility for your actions. Stop looking elsewhere to explain away poor performance.
5) Where to start as a trader? Watch this webinar and read this thread for hundreds of questions and answers.
6)
Help using the forum? Watch this video to learn general tips on using the site.

If you want
to support our community, become an Elite Member.

Reply With Quote
The following user says Thank You to Big Mike for this post:
 
  #7 (permalink)
Elite Member
Houston, TX
 
Futures Experience: Advanced
Platform: NinjaTrader
Broker/Data: Global
Favorite Futures: ES
 
Posts: 10 since Oct 2009
Thanks: 11 given, 6 received

I use the Logitech G13 programmable keyboard and it works great. It has 25 buttons, and a small thumbwheel joystick. I have all of the order entry commands programmed and I use the joystick to move a pending order up/down. I think they are about $75.00. You can program 3 different profiles and switch between them with the press of a button.


Last edited by DanW; January 17th, 2014 at 01:13 PM.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users say Thank You to DanW for this post:
 
  #8 (permalink)
Elite Member
@ Germany
 
Futures Experience: Beginner
Platform: NinjaTrader
Broker/Data: Mirus Futures/Zen-Fire
Favorite Futures: FDAX
 
Posts: 441 since Nov 2011
Thanks: 254 given, 369 received


DanW View Post
I use the Logitech G13 programmable keyboard and it works great. It has 25 buttons, and a small thumbwheel joystick. I have all of the order entry commands programmed and I use the joystick to move a pending order up/down. I think they are about $75.00. You can program 3 different profiles and switch between them with the press of a button.

Hi @DanW, thanks for your feedback. Utilizing a default (customer-programmable) keyboard was also my first idea, because it's the easiest and cheapest way of completing the mission. Moving the pending order with the joystick is really cool! I will be looking for thumbwheel joysticks (or similar devices) soon, because it would add a real benefit.

You could find similar devices at Ebay. . The known site sponsor is also utilizing such pimped POS terminal. But for my personal needs i wanted a more workflow oriented design (switching between General Chart Layout, Special Chart Layout, ...; Trade Entry Mgmt.; Trade Exit Mgmt) and a structured layout with less buttons. The NKK Smart Switches are quite expensive, so such an idea must have an huge reward in enhancing your user experience at trading otherwise it's really not worth the efforts. But the possibilities are endless. I'm waiting for more feedback / suggestions.

If anybody wants a smaller but also very customizable solution he can use the single MX keys and custom button caps (size, color, labeling) from WASD. Doing the remaining of the keyboard tech isn't a problem nowadays.

Koepisch


Last edited by Koepisch; January 17th, 2014 at 05:10 PM. Reason: Adding WASD
Reply With Quote
 
  #9 (permalink)
The Narrow Road
Belgium
 
Futures Experience: Intermediate
Platform: Ninjatrader
Broker/Data: Ninjatrader Brokerage, CQG
Favorite Futures: FDAX, FDXM ...maybe
 
podski's Avatar
 
Posts: 379 since Sep 2012
Thanks: 443 given, 457 received

Hi @Koepisch

At first when I replied to your poll I said ..."No .. this is not necessary" .. but I'm beginning to think it's a good idea.

The KeyboardTrader solutions look OK but are a bit hardwired for me and I can't imagine how it would be priced for European products .. but it's a nice niche business I guess.

I use the vvMiniTradePanel - and as such a sort of limited number of trade entry methods but am finding that my hand and arm get very cold and stiff during the day. I think that something like the G13 would be very good.

Have you gone any further on this ?

p

Reply With Quote
 
  #10 (permalink)
Elite Member
@ Germany
 
Futures Experience: Beginner
Platform: NinjaTrader
Broker/Data: Mirus Futures/Zen-Fire
Favorite Futures: FDAX
 
Posts: 441 since Nov 2011
Thanks: 254 given, 369 received



podski View Post
Hi @Koepisch

At first when I replied to your poll I said ..."No .. this is not necessary" .. but I'm beginning to think it's a good idea.

The KeyboardTrader solutions look OK but are a bit hardwired for me and I can't imagine how it would be priced for European products .. but it's a nice niche business I guess.

I use the vvMiniTradePanel - and as such a sort of limited number of trade entry methods but am finding that my hand and arm get very cold and stiff during the day. I think that something like the G13 would be very good.

Have you gone any further on this ?

p

In the meantime i've made some theoretical studies of the UI design and the usability. My software based option via tablet was axed. I've learnt that you must feel the keys and you have to find them without seeking for them. Thats why the Hardware layout of the "Order management" keys should be fixed. So there isn't a need to complicate the things with the SmartSwitches. BUT i think i will utilize the OLED Panels only and apply a few of them on the keyboard. It can show the current selected instrument, Position info (for order management) or can implement some menu's for chart layout switching.

My current (spare) time is consumed to built my GPS-based time sync to measure data feed latencies. If this is done i will return to the keyboard project. But both projects are based on the same micro controller so there are some synergy effects in the development.

Reply With Quote
The following 2 users say Thank You to Koepisch for this post:

Reply



futures io > > > Custom Trader Keyboard - Feedback needed

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search



Upcoming Webinars and Events (4:30PM ET unless noted)

Jigsaw Trading: TBA

Elite only

FuturesTrader71: TBA

Elite only

NinjaTrader: TBA

Jan 18

RandBots: TBA

Jan 23

GFF Brokers & CME Group: Futures & Bitcoin

Elite only

Adam Grimes: TBA

Elite only

Ran Aroussi: TBA

Elite only
     

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Keyboard Trader (www.keyboardtrader.com) Big Mike Trading Reviews and Vendors 19 June 10th, 2017 02:52 PM
Chart Trader Custom Quantity Buttons Silver Dragon The Elite Circle 16 December 16th, 2014 09:40 PM
Ninja Trader Custom Order Book - 1LDom - Source Code 1LotTrader NinjaTrader Programming 356 February 19th, 2014 12:40 PM
real trader needed forgiven Hire a Consultant or Programmer 0 January 30th, 2013 04:46 PM
MicroTrends EasyTrader does it work? trader opinions needed pls. nanook77 Trading Reviews and Vendors 4 July 5th, 2011 06:22 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:15 AM.

Copyright © 2017 by futures io, s.a., Av Ricardo J. Alfaro, Century Tower, Panama, +507 833-9432, info@futures.io
All information is for educational use only and is not investment advice.
There is a substantial risk of loss in trading commodity futures, stocks, options and foreign exchange products. Past performance is not indicative of future results.
no new posts
Page generated 2017-12-14 in 0.10 seconds with 21 queries on phoenix via your IP 54.160.245.121