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Spread / Pairs Trading - the allure and the reality

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I'm in a similar situation. I eventually moved into profit this month and watching the May 16 Soybean-Corn spread closely to make sure it doesn't tank on me.

Just an update on this. I made a neat profit on the Soybean-Corn spread so I could end of the month on a positive and also pushed the year to date into profit.
Currently in on Lean Hogs Jun-Feb16 spread.

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Just an update on this. I made a neat profit on the Soybean-Corn spread so I could end of the month on a positive and also pushed the year to date into profit.
Currently in on Lean Hogs Jun-Feb16 spread.

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Exchange traded spread or synthetic?

Seasonal Commodities :CME - not familiar with synthetic

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Seasonal Commodities :CME - not familiar with synthetic

Synthetic is when you construct the spread your self by simply long one leg, short one leg of a spread, could be calendar intra-market or inter-market. For example, many of the crack spreads are exchange traded now, where as if i wanted to construct a spread from the NK and the ES, i would have to do this by legging into them manually.

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This is just an idea and a question. The MACD indicator calculates the difference between typically the 12 EMA and the
24 EMA and then uses a 9 EMA to smooth the difference. (Hope I have this correct.) Is it possible to modify the
MACD to subtract say a (Jan CL 5 unit futures moving average) from a (Mar CL 5 unit futures moving average) (Mar CL 5 unit futures moving average - Jan CL 5 unit futures moving average ) and use a smoothing moving average (probably small) to produce an indicator? (The number 5 is only used as an example.) So instead of the MACD charting a single index or other, it would chart the spread differential (using 2 futures moving averages )? This might produce a better spread chart?

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Does anybody trade /ES calendar? /ESH7-/ESM7 ? I'm wondering if it's possible to get any fills on the edges of the range

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Does anybody trade /ES calendar? /ESH7-/ESM7 ? I'm wondering if it's possible to get any fills on the edges of the range

These 2 are highly correlated. It would be difficult to obtain much difference between the two, but I have never
traded them. I have traded successfully the spread (ES-YM) . At IB the margin for this is aout 2k.

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The ES spread is theoretically just a function of interest rates and dividends and as such should be arb-able. Hence it doesn't move very much. Also while ES itself trades in quarter points/$12.50 ticks the spread trades in twentieth's or just $2.50/tic and it's one tick wide, hundred's up. So not saying it can't be done, but I think it would be very difficult. Also front spread is basically the only thing that trades.

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ok, what about the following: /ESH7-/ESM7+/TFM7-/TFH7

this lowers margin requirements, and it seems to stay in the range.

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Note that if you use continuous backadjusted contracts, using ratios will be incorrect for all but the current contract. It might not be wrong by much, but it will be wrong.

That statement also applies to any trading system that uses multiplication or division of the continuous, backadjusted price.

Kevinkdog. If you were to plot a ratio of a 5 minute EMA (exponential average) of ES and a 5 minute EMA of NQ,
would this be a reliable spread chart??

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