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Hello traders,
I want just to know what is the best language to make a strong,fast and stable automate trading programme?
I have some idea and i want to make it an automated system,that's why i contact some professional software programmer.They charge different fee because of the language using:C++ or java ........, that's why i want to know what is the difference between this two languages?I appreciate any advice or suggestion.
I'm not a programmer and i don't have experience in programming that's why explaining in detail will be really appreciated.Thanks for your reply.
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Hello traders,
I want just to know what is the best language to make a strong,fast and stable automate trading programme? I'm not a programmer and i don't have experience in programming that's why explaining in detail will be really appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

You have no programming experience and you want to know the best programming language to make a stong, fast and stable system? Wow, quite an objective.

I suggest that it is not so much about the language as much as it is about the program design itself. You can have the fastest possible programming language yet if your program design is crappy, thus will be the execution. If I may suggest, go to a community college and find a course that teaches (computer) program design and documentation. That was one of the first courses i took and it taught the design of a program using pseudocode so that we didn't get hung up on syntax rules but instead focused on the logic thinking process. It also taught the value of documentation. Learning a language after that becomes the easy part. Don't start with the easy part because you'll be tempted to be recursive all by yourself.

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You have no programming experience and you want to know the best programming language to make a stong, fast and stable system? Wow, quite an objective.

I suggest that it is not so much about the language as much as it is about the program design itself. You can have the fastest possible programming language yet if your program design is crappy, thus will be the execution. If I may suggest, go to a community college and find a course that teaches (computer) program design and documentation. That was one of the first courses i took and it taught the design of a program using pseudocode so that we didn't get hung up on syntax rules but instead focused on the logic thinking process. It also taught the value of documentation. Learning a language after that becomes the easy part. Don't start with the easy part because you'll be tempted to be recursive all by yourself.

Just my 2 cents.

Hi,
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I have some idea and i want to make it an automated system,that's why i contact some professional software programmer.They charge different fee because of the language using:C++ or java ........, that's why i want to know what is the difference between this two language.I appreciate any advice or suggestion.
Thanks

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I agree with everything Tasker_182 said

In addition, for programs such as data processing, the Java virtual machines are so advanced now that Java and C++ operate pretty much at the same speed as each other in most cases. Java manages memory for you so you don't have to deal with a lot of memory management issues like you would in C++ which will help with long-term stability of your program and less tedious code to write.

Frankly, unless you're writing HFT algos it doesn't really matter. All of my automated trading software is written in C# running in Ninjatrader and I don't have any problems with speed or performance. I also have a BS and MS in computer science and nearly 20 years of professional software development experience so I can build pretty complex applications that can scale to large demands, so there's that too


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I agree everything Tasker_182 said

In addition, for programs such as data processing, the Java virtual machines are so advanced no that Java and C++ operate pretty fast at the same speed as each other in most cases. Java manages memory for you so you don't have to deal with a lot of memory management issues like you would in C++ which will help with long-term stability of your program.

Frankly, unless you're writing HFT algos it doesn't really matter. All of my automated trading software is written in C# running in Ninjatrader and I don't have any problems with speed or performance. I also have a BS and MS in computer science and nearly 20 years of professional software development experience so I can build pretty complex applications that can scale to large demands, so there's that too

HI,
Thanks for your reply.
The language which you use to programme the software doesn't have any relation with the platform which you use?for example:sierra chart vs Multichart platform.
Other question:The type of the language programme doesn't have any affect in the speed,stability and the performance of the system?

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HI,
Thanks for your reply.
The language which you use to programme the software doesn't have any relation with the platform which you use?for example:sierra chart vs Multichart platform.
Other question:The type of the language programme doesn't have any affect in the speed,stability and the performance of the system?

Well, if you are using a trading particular platform, which I recommend, then you are constrained to whatever language(s) the platform supports, so that should be your deciding factor. For example, if you use Tradestation it doesn't make sense to hire a Ninjascript (C#) programmer because Tradestation uses EasyLanguage.

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I agree with everything Tasker_182 said

In addition, for programs such as data processing, the Java virtual machines are so advanced now that Java and C++ operate pretty much at the same speed as each other in most cases. Java manages memory for you so you don't have to deal with a lot of memory management issues like you would in C++ which will help with long-term stability of your program and less tedious code to write.

Frankly, unless you're writing HFT algos it doesn't really matter. All of my automated trading software is written in C# running in Ninjatrader and I don't have any problems with speed or performance. I also have a BS and MS in computer science and nearly 20 years of professional software development experience so I can build pretty complex applications that can scale to large demands, so there's that too

I'm in contact with several developer and i can tell you that there is a huge difference (almost double) in the fee which they required.Since you have a huge experience in software development,can you please explain to me in what criteria the programmer determine the fee which the software will cost?

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Personally I dislike Java. All the security updates non-stop... and while it may be possible for it to be nearly as fast as C++, from my experience with mainstream apps, it doesn't come close and is always really "clunky" feeling.

The better question is what trading platform will you be using? You shouldn't reinvent the wheel. Find a platform that meets your needs, then program within it. That means primarily either C# or C++.

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Personally I dislike Java. All the security updates non-stop... and while it may be possible for it to be nearly as fast as C++, from my experience with mainstream apps, it doesn't come close and is always really "clunky" feeling.

The better question is what trading platform will you be using? You shouldn't reinvent the wheel. Find a platform that meets your needs, then program within it. That means primarily either C# or C++.

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I love SC and i will never change it,that's why i will go for C++.
What confuse me is the huge difference of price which every programmer require to do the same system. DID you have some idea how a programmer determine the fee which a software will cost?

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