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Non farm payroll traders here?

Anyone trade the non farm payroll every month?

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Yes, and no.

Yes - For the most part, we probably all trade the report, inadvertently, just because the market reacts to it.

No - You will probably find that many traders do not care what the report says. Personally, I prefer not to know anything about most reports, because it tends to create bias. And bias does not allow us to trade the market as purely.

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I think what he means is to actually "trade" the report. to enter as fast as possible after the release.

a few things that are essential:

- know what the market has positioned itself before the release (knowing what the market wants to see)

- having a fast news feed like reuters, bloomberg etc

as it can be very rewarding in a short amount of time, it's also worth knowing what the other "job" numbers are (unemployment rate, private nonfarm payroll, average hourly earnings). and of course there're the revisions from the previous month that can have an impact.

a huge plus would be if the news would leak to you a few minutes before the release.

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My 2 cents: I think trading the NFP as soon as the figures are released can be very tricky.

Firstly I'd address the question of what product to trade, given that different products react to the release in different ways.

For example, it seems usually problematic (or has been for the past couple of years) to trade indexes such as SP500 because of the interpretation of bad/good data that people attribute to NFP release, i.e. job numbers are good so some people may think that the Fed may increase interest rates and that prompts them to sell.

The products I have seen to respond in a more linear way to NFP are usually EURUSD and T-notes (10 year). Because of algos, though, attempting to enter the market as soon as the figures are released usually gets me to buy right at the top or sell at the bottom.

What has worked for me is to get onto a retracement which usually prompts for a continuation in the original direction of the spike.

Of course that approach wouldn't have worked in the last three releases including today , even though today we had mixed data: lower than expected headline figure but better than expected unemployment %.

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Just trying to make sense of your comment Marc, you say you want to go in the opposite direction as GaryD's but then just copied his comment?

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